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I am a dog owner and former vet tech. Lately on FB I have seen people posting pictures of their Bully breed puppies with ear crops. These puppies are 3 to 6 weeks old, vets do not crop puppies this young. I have seen home crops on puppies when I worked for one vet and do not believe this is legal anywhere. The puppies are cropped at home with no anasthesia and I feel this practice should be stopped. I called one person out on her 6 week old puppy that was cropped, completely healed and hair grown back. I can not understand how anyone can think that there is anything right about this, but it seems to be pretty common among some breeds.
 

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Cropping puppies that young is not common among any breed. It's common among idiots. I would call local animal control and give them the photos at the very least.
 

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What's your question?

I was told by a Min Pin breeder that she cut their ears when they were 2 days old, at the same time as their tails and dewclaws. Some people believe puppies that age can't feel pain (which I think is nonsense). I have no idea if that's legal or not, considering that docking their tails is legal at that age. I'm sure it is illegal to do to an older pup in most places, but enforcement can be hard to come by. You can call your local Animal Control or Sheriff to ask/report.
 

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I agree with TWAB
 

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I would like to see laws put in place that make this illegal, it is cruel and barbaric. The ones that I have seen are located in other states, but I believe this is an acceptable practice among the breeders of these dogs.
 

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I would like to see laws put in place that make this illegal, it is cruel and barbaric. The ones that I have seen are located in other states, but I believe this is an acceptable practice among the breeders of these dogs.
No, it isn't, Like I said, it's an acceptable practice among people who are idiots, but not breeders in general. Generally cropping is done between 10-12 weeks (and I've heard give a week or two on either side) and not home jobs with no anesthesia.
 

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I can't even imagine a dog lover cropping their dogs ears at home without anesthesia. Then again, these people are not dog lovers.
 

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Eww. I'm going to recommend NOT Googling "cropping dog's ears at home". Youtube videos and everything :(.

But, apparently neonate crops aren't unusual and some vets will even do it: http://www.auspet.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000793.html
And some people argue it's the traditional way to do it because, after all, they didn't have anesthetic back when cropping first started :mad:.

Well, I'll stop there, but like I said, don't Google it unless you want to get mad.
 

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I think in some breeds with super short utilitarian type crops are done young (like CO's where pretty much the entire outer ear is cropped).
 

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I am going to stir the pot. My nephew purchased a beautiful, socialized Staffy at 12 weeks for $1000. I think that is overpriced, but he is a good dog. Nephew immediately went to the Vet and had the ears cropped (the super short utilitarian type crop), and it was done professionally and humanely. I don't have a great deal of respect for my nephew's maturity, b/c the natural ears were rosette, and very expressive... now the dog has lost one set of calming signal capabilities... so that he could look tough.
 

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I am going to stir the pot. My nephew purchased a beautiful, socialized Staffy at 12 weeks for $1000. I think that is overpriced, but he is a good dog. Nephew immediately went to the Vet and had the ears cropped (the super short utilitarian type crop), and it was done professionally and humanely. I don't have a great deal of respect for my nephew's maturity, b/c the natural ears were rosette, and very expressive... now the dog has lost one set of calming signal capabilities... so that he could look tough.
Well I'm not trying to make light of nephew's decision but I'm not sure what one can do with maturity. I don't think it's something that can be planned or rushed. My wife is still waiting for me to mature, she thought 75 years would do it (or at least start it)
 

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I prefer natural ears on a lot of breeds including pits and COs (I like dobermans cropped, though), but I have no issue with cropping as long as it's done humanely, by a qualified vet, with anesthesia. I have ZERO respect for anyone who would attempt a crop job at home, no matter how young or old the pup. Most good breeders I know have a vet crop the ears when the pup is around 10 weeks old, and I definitely prefer that; I would worry about putting a very young pup under anesthesia.
 

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I searched online and only found one state where home cropping is illegal. That is in Pennsylvania. I believe it should be illegal in every state. It seems to be an acceptable practice by the dog owners who do this. I feel it is barbaric and inhumane.
 

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i support ear cropping when it is done ETHICALLY & CORRECTLY at the APPROPRAITE age for the precedure to be done & ONLY by a liscensed vet!!!

It's the tail docking i wish they would do away with, the tail is very important to a dog of any breed, i have seen it in tailed ACDs vs docked ones & Izze & Buddy could both out manuver Josefina, who is smaller, but tailess
 

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I am not against ear cropping, but am against cutting them off at home with no anasthesia. A few years ago I took a 3 week vacation in Australia and was amazed to see that the dogs had long tails and no ear crops. The breeds that we normally see here with docked tails, had long tails, it was nice to see that they did not allow any of it over there. I did see one Rott with a docked tail and the owner said they had brought it over there from another country.
 

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I have to admit I wish they wouldn't ban it anywhere. It's part of the breed history and most times just part of the breed. For instance with Boxer most people automatically think of a cropped dog with a nub. It's just part of the breed. Rotties with tails look ok to me sometimes, but I prefer them docked. Boxerd with tails just look like a mess to me unless they have a good tail.

BTW, I own a natural eared boy.

As far as cropping at home if you can do it correctly then I have no problem with it. Some breeders dock at home. They do it to avoid exposing young puppies to a vets office. As long as you can do if correctly I'm fine with it.
 

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I think that docking at home and cropping at home are two VERY different things.
 

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I think that docking at home and cropping at home are two VERY different things.
I understand that, but if you know how to do it correctly then I'm fine with it. Of course I don't think any knowledgable breeder would crop that young for a show crop. I don't know about the short crop.
 

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WHOA. I had no idea a boxer or rottweiler was born with a tail!!! I've only ever seen them docked and I thought it was a breed characteristic. Huh, learn something new every day.
 

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I understand that, but if you know how to do it correctly then I'm fine with it. Of course I don't think any knowledgable breeder would crop that young for a show crop. I don't know about the short crop.
I don't believe that cropping can be done humanely without anesthesia, so it's unacceptable for anyone to do it at home, in my opinion.
 
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