LOL Yep. All of my dogs love shaping. In addition to boxes we use toys, etc.
That's not how you play the box game really. You start out by clicking any interaction, whether it's a repeated one or not, so the dog knows that doing anything with the box is acceptable. This can (and should) include something as small as looking at the box to begin with. Once your dog is attacking the box sort of like Rocky was in that video, performing all kinds of different things, you need to put away the box for a moment to think."oh here's something, now start doing all kinds of different things to it, but they MUST be different".
He's already playing the game perfectly. What you're supposed to do is up the criteria once he gets frustrated and tries harder. You originally treated for touching the box. Now you withheld that treat so he's pushing the box. Now you treat only for pushing the box 3 inches. Once he's doing that, you withhold the treat. Now you only treat for 6 inches. All of the sudden you have a command where the dog can push a box 10 feet down the hallway for you!Once he starts, say, touching the box and I click him for it, and then he does it again and I don't click - he's going to wonder why not and get confused/frustrated because he doesn't know what to do - other than to push the box harder.
Yeah, Mesquite definitely gets time with the box too, but she isn't nearly as enthusiastic as Rocky is about it. Mesquite is much more a "tell me what to do" dog, whereas Rocky is a "let me figure it out" kind of dog. It makes sense, considering she is a GSD mix and Rocky is a hound!I love the box game! There were some throws in there, he's doing great! Do you play the box game with Mesquite too?
And congratulations on your engagement!
I tried it again after reading your explanation of the game (makes a lot more sense to me now).He's already playing the game perfectly. What you're supposed to do is up the criteria once he gets frustrated and tries harder. You originally treated for touching the box. Now you withheld that treat so he's pushing the box. Now you treat only for pushing the box 3 inches. Once he's doing that, you withhold the treat. Now you only treat for 6 inches. All of the sudden you have a command where the dog can push a box 10 feet down the hallway for you!
I don't have any off hand, but I can probably put some together of our box sessions, working on different behaviours. I'll see if the fiancee will help out filming for me.Rocky is a sweetheart! I cracked up at those bits where he'd paw one edge of the box and end up smacking himself in the face with it... he really seems to be getting the hang of throwing it, though.
This is slightly off-topic, but do you have any other shaping videos, or know of any other shaping videos? I'm specifically looking for shaping videos, not just clicker-training videos. I've been trying it out lately, but I find the timing tricky, and videos really help.
That would be wonderful, although please don't go out of your way! Even if you just leave a camera on the desk while you train, that should suffice. I'd really appreciate it, and I'm sure a lot of the other free shapers on DF would too.I don't have any off hand, but I can probably put some together of our box sessions, working on different behaviours. I'll see if the fiancee will help out filming for me.