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I feel like an idiot asking this question but i want to know! The two are so similar :p

I was told he was a Lhasa Apso when I got him but I'm not sure... and I've been doing some research and looking at differences between the two and the biggest one I've seen is the length of the snout.

Lhasa's have a longer snout while Shih Tzu's have a smaller one. Gizmo looks like he has a very small snout and comparing his pics to others on google he looks more like a shih tzu...

Also his temperament is closer to a shih tzu's. he LOVES everyone is never suspicious of people.

here are some pics of him






Any ideas? I don't care what breed he is I just want to know so I can watch out for health issues for each particular breed.

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Hmm.. from the pics it's still kinda hard to tell. I would say Lhasa. Does his tail curl up and to the left when he's standing? Here's some pics of the lhasa's in our family:

This one is of Chelsea, my father in laws dog. It's not a very good pic but it's the only one I have of her.


This is a pic of my mother in law's dog Sugar. She's wet and in the tub, but you can see the length of her snout pretty well in it.


This one is my dog Zoey, a different angle on the snout..


I was going to try and find one of her tail curl, but I dont really have any >_< Looking at your pictures again, you could really have either breed. It's hard to tell because it looks like he recently had a hair cut. But, either way he's really cute!
 

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I was going to try and find one of her tail curl, but I dont really have any >_< Looking at your pictures again, you could really have either breed. It's hard to tell because it looks like he recently had a hair cut. But, either way he's really cute!
thanks! your lhasa's are adorable too!

yeah its really hard to tell. could be either :mad: :p

this is the best pic of his tail I could find. his tail is usually poofy and hard to see how is tail is...



any help in determing?
 

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Hmm.. Yea I see some tail curl in the video. I noticed he acts like a Lhasa, like when he sits and his tail slowly un-curls.

Interesting: I just read on wikipedia that they were bred in Tibet, the same place that Lhasa's were bred! They must be very closely related, lol.


EDIT: Here's a video of Zoey doing her first tricks too :p This was about a month ago, but maybe it will help you see some similarities or differences.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrOBwcbyyMQ
 

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I would actually bet he's a poorly bred Shih Tzu or mix.

First, pet-quality/puppy mill shih tzu are frequently particolor (they're MORE common than solid dogs, IME). Lhasas DO come in particolor with large patches of white, but solid or sabled colors with white toes and chests are more common.

Secondly, his eyes are very large and prominant, and he's definitely a bracheycephalic dog- which he shih tzu is, and a lhasa should NOT be. He's got very long legs and a straight front, but again, you know he's not a good example of the breed. Shih Tzus are one of the breeds that's very commonly mixed by designer dog breeders, so he might well have some poodle in there, too, which would explain his legginess.
 

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EDIT: Here's a video of Zoey doing her first tricks too :p This was about a month ago, but maybe it will help you see some similarities or differences.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrOBwcbyyMQ
firstly, that video made me jealous. gizmo doesnt know how to roll over :mad: he knows how to shake and lay down at least :D

couldnt tell much by the video but thanks posting it

I would actually bet he's a poorly bred Shih Tzu or mix.

First, pet-quality/puppy mill shih tzu are frequently particolor (they're MORE common than solid dogs, IME). Lhasas DO come in particolor with large patches of white, but solid or sabled colors with white toes and chests are more common.

Secondly, his eyes are very large and prominant, and he's definitely a bracheycephalic dog- which he shih tzu is, and a lhasa should NOT be. He's got very long legs and a straight front, but again, you know he's not a good example of the breed. Shih Tzus are one of the breeds that's very commonly mixed by designer dog breeders, so he might well have some poodle in there, too, which would explain his legginess.
I wouldn't be surpised at all if he was mixed or inbred. Bought him from a "reputable" breeder which now i know, isn't. I didn't know any better back then either :(

I would love to get his dna sampled so I can truly find out what exactly he is but those tests are sooo expensive.
 

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hehe looking at gizmo makes me happy and sad. He looks exactly like my dog Dede, who passed away last year, after having her for 16 years. She was a Shih Tzu.

She had the same exact face, markings and those big eyes. Except she wasn't as leggy.

I know that didn't help. But just happy to see that face. :)
 

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Either way your dog is a cutie.. The breeds are so similar its hard to tell with your dog. Lulu always gets mistaken for a shih tzu. She definately has the lhasa apso attitude.. I have included a pix below.

 

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We have both a Lhasa Apso and a Shih Tzu. They are very similar, both from China and with the Pug are considered the Chinese royals, as they were all lap dogs of the emperors.

I sometimes think the Shih Tzu is a cross of the Lhasa and the Pug as they have the long hair of the Lhasa but the long legs, bowl eyes and short, flat snout of the Pug.

I would say without a doubt you have a Shih Tzu. I can always tell the difference and owners are often surprised because the two are so often mistaken. Since you have a Pug you can see the similarities to your Shih Tzu. If you look at Binkalette's Lhasa's they tend to have a "cute little girl" look to their face, like ours, while your puppy tends to have a "little old man" look like all of the Shih Tzu's I have seen (including ours).

And Gizmo is not necessarily badly bred. All of the Shih Tzu's I have seen (and they are a very consistent breed) have the longer legs and the slight build like the typical, healthy Pug. The Lhasa's tend to be stockier and have shorter legs. While I have seen Lhasa's as large as 24 lbs., Shih Tzus are typically 9-16 lbs. The "teacup" Shih Tzu is not officialy recognized and is considered poorly bred. Also the Shih Tzu's are better at self managing their food intake, while the Lhasa's and Pug's tend to overeat.

All colors are considered acceptable in the Shih Tzu's but because of a misguided effort to breed for the gold and white other colors are hard to find. So the black and the black and whites are now sought after as they improve pigment in breeding. Also the black face is a benefit as the typical tear staining is not as evident.

The Lhasa was bred as a guard dog and with their great hearing they would notify the larger, outside dogs of strangers. This makes them very loyal to their owners and inquisitive and fearless, yet chary of strangers. On the otherhand Shih Tzus (at least ours) can be fearful of the unknown and yet they are all very friendly to people, known and strangers alike. This is primarily why they are currently a very popular breed.



So, based on all that which do you think is the Shih Tzu, the angel or the devil?





I think your Shih Tzu is adorable in that typical way they have and I think you will love it.
 

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I've seen many Lhasa's, and I have a Shih Tzu and a Shih Tzu mix (with we believe Pekignese). Your baby looks more like a Shih Tzu to me, though a bit taller. My Shih Tzu "Jake" also has a longer snout, and not as nearly as "smush-faced" as some Shih Tzu's that I've seen. Triumph, on the other hang, we think is Shih Tzu and Pekignese mixed, though he MAY be full-blooded, we don't know. He was a rescue as a younger puppy around 6 months, and his dewclaws had been removed, which means he most likely came from a breeder. So we don't know if he's full blooded or was a "designer" mix. Either way, his snout is MUCH flatter, and very smushed into his face.

This is Jake, my full-blooded 11 year old Shih Tzu:





And this is Triumph (don't mind his face being trimmed entirely too short), my 1 year old, possibly mixed, Shih Tzu:



Unfortunately, some Shih Tzu's and Lhasa's are hard, if not impossible, to tell apart. A DNA test may be your best bet in trying to unravel the mystery. :D
 

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looks like a shih tzu more than a lhasa. heres my baby , shes a lhasa apso:
(this thread is a great excuse for all of us to show pics of our cuties :))




she has to be the center of whats goin on - even if shes just going to sleep!
 

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thanks for all the helpful replies. appreciate them.

Kinda crazy just how close the breeds look. I am also leaning toward Shih Tzu as his personality is just like what ive read shih tzu's are like.

Maybe in a couple of years when I have more money ill get a DNA test and ill finally know LOL.
 

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If I were to see the pictures of your baby, I'd just automatically think shih tzu. Though those breeds all look the same to me.
 

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Hi there, just registered and your dog looks more like a Shih Tzu. I have a Shih Tzu who looks similar. His name is Nemo and he is brown and white instead of black and white. Your dog's tail curls similar to his as well. However, I would look at the temperment of the dog as well. Is he friendly to strangers? Most Shih Tzu's are. To me, the Lhasa and Tzu both look alike and are adorable.

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Wow, now that I look back at this thread, I have to say, he is totally a shih tzu. :) It's his face.. It is difficult to tell the difference between the two breeds though... Did you know the Shih Tzu breed began by the breeding of Lhasa Apsos with Pekingese?
 

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Hi,

My dog (Bailey) is actually Shih Tzu X Lhasa Apso mix. Its really difficult to tell sometimes. Bailey looks like he is more Shih Tzu, but his brother looks just like a Lhasa Apso.... and they came from the same litter.

Your dog looks to be more of a Shih Tzu to me...but maybe it's a mixture.

According to http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/tibetanterrier.htm , the two dogs are actually decendants of the Tibetan Terrier. So they should have very similar features.

The best way to find out for sure is to get a DNA test.
 

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actually if I remember correctly the shih tzu is mearly the crossing of the lhasa and a smaller chin style breed (like the Pekingese) to make a more plesant lap dog as the lhasas of old were rather assertive verminators and temple guardians and not the cuddly beasts we wanted them to be.

Te difference between lhasa and shih tzu is size (lhasas are bigger all around and longer in leg) and the lasha has a boxy snout versus the shih's pushed up brachiocephalic muzzle. Sometimes Lhasas are referred to as the larger meaner shih tzus.

This dog seems to me to show more physical qualities of the lhasa. Esp. when you see that the pic you posted second shows that there is no pushed up nose on the fella you're asking about, and he has mile long legs. What's his personality like?
 
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