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I don't know if anyone will actually even read this... or respond... but I'm desperate. I'm new here and just joined this site because I need advice. I work with a Pit Bull rescue here in Oklahoma... One of the dogs there (Bark Vader) is one that I helped to get off the streets. He's the sweetest boy I've ever met. I love him and don't know what I would do if I lost him....

He went in to get neutered after he arrived at the shelter... the anesthesia they gave to him caused his kidneys to shut down. He had apparently already had kidney issues, but they were unknown before the procedure. He now has Renal Failure. He refuses to eat The prescription KD dog food they gave to him..... He ate just enough to get his weight up a few pounds, but now will barely touch the stuff, and is loosing weight again.

I need to know what kinds of other foods (treats too) that I can personally make for him. I've done some research, but they all have conflicting information... some say high protein and low phosphorous, and the others say the opposite. I was wondering if any of you have been through this, or can recommend any good recipes for homemade dog food and treats for a dog with Renal Failure- or can point me to a good website with accurate information.

This guy is the entire reason I started volunteering with this rescue. He's made a huge impact in my life... I don't know what I would do without him. Thank you.

curious vader.jpg This is Bark Vader.
 

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awwww... what a sweetie! I wish I had the magic answer for you but I just wanted to pop by and say that he's sweet and I hope all goes well for you.
 

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Try sending a PM to the user "Kathyy" since I believe she had a dog with kidney issues live for quite awhile on a homemade diet and has done a lot of research on diet
 

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I know you will want lean cuts of meat, whole fish, eggs and fruits and vegetables that are rich in vitamins C, B and E. Other than that, I'm pretty clueless sorry....
 

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No advice or experience regarding the food but it's a really good idea, when you're looking for help with a very specific situation, to be specific in the topic title. That greatly enhances the chances of someone with experience seeing it and responding, since nobody has time to read every single post.

I'm going to see if I can edit the title of this thread.
 

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So glad you messaged me!

If you can get his blood and urine test results and join K9KidneyDiet, a yahoo group, they can help with how tos - MUCH more than just grams of protein and % of phosphorus and such.

Sassy even liked the prescription food. The first time she stopped eating I thought that was that but a simple antacid fixed it for a couple more years. Ask the vet about how much Pepcid to offer him. It was the magic bullet for Sassy as kidney dogs get acidic to the point they will have stomach and mouth ulcers. When she was near the end I used the info on this dogaware page http://www.dogaware.com/articles/wdjinappetence.html and Mirtazapine worked well.

There is a special rice, glutinous rice [not sushi or sticky] that is super low in phosphorus. Pearl tapioca and corn meal are super low in phosphorus as well. I used the rice and stewed chicken [minus the broth which catches the phosphorus] as the base for her food and fed her more protein and less phosphorus than the prescription stuff. I learned to use http://nutritiondata.self.com/ to feed her about 11mg of phosphorus per pound and started with 20 calories per pound of dog and tried to get as much protein as possible into her. http://www.dogaware.com/health/kidney.html was a huge help in trying to modify the diet too. I put in calcium carbonate but egg shell works as a calcium source too.

You could try making up some of that mush and mixing it with the prescription stuff just to get him started or go with stuff on the dogaware page. Don't worry about a balanced or kidney friendly diet if he isn't eating anything.

Do check for diseases that can cause kidney disease. Lew Olson has several things to check out here http://www.b-naturals.com/newsletter/kidney-diets-and-treatment-options/

And if he is in very serious trouble he is likely dehydrated. If his creatinine is over 3 then do try to get him on subcutaneous fluids. Being chronically dehydrated makes one feel very ill, just think how bad you feel if you forget to drink during a hike on a warm day. It isn't cheap and it is time consuming but that added a good 18 months on to Sassy's life. She was such a good girl and understood it made her feel better and loved getting little Trader Joe Ginger Cat Cookies as she patiently waited to get her camel hump filled back up!

Good luck with him, I suspect he will help you every step of the way like Sassy did.
 

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First, thanks for caring for the little guy.:clap2:
I Have you ask if you have tried Pumpkin seed Oil?

It has great kidney healing properties. It increases phosphorus and reduces calcium oxalate, while supporting the bladder.
It really can work miracles, and can be an inexpensive option.
 

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I've heard several conflicting things.... I've heard that the Potassium, Protein, and phosphorus levels are to stay low... but I've also heard they are to be increased in a dog with Renal Failure.... I'm so confused..... But, no, I haven't tried Pumpkin seed oil yet...I've been afraid to try anything.
 

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Here is some information regarding kidney disease.

http://www.purinaveterinarydiets.com/HealthIssues/CanineKidneyDisease.aspx

Did they determine a cause? Acute vs. Chronic? Have any additional tests been run? Any history on the dog (age, medical history, tendancy to get into toxins)

Have you tried any other theraspeutic diet? Medical Low Protein? Hills KD? A Wet vs dry food?
You will not find the low phosphorus levels you need in a commercial sold pet food. You need a prescription diet in this case or your putting more stress on the kidneys.
If you do wish to feed a home cooked diet, consult a VETERINARY nurtition specialist to develop a diet ouspecifically for your dogs case. However, the anorexia could be a result of him feeling unwell vs. disliking the prescription food, especially if he was eating it before and isn't now. Please consult with your veterinarian!

Links to help guide you to find a nutrition specialist:
http://www.acvn.org/
http://nutritiontechs.org/
http://www.aavn.org/

One thing you can do is offer him distilled water instead of fresh tap water. This has been recommended by veterinarians here as it won't have all the components that may put additional stress on the kidneys.

Consult a veterinary nutrition specialist before you try to formulate/feed ANY home diet. You could end up putting additional stress on the kidneys, making his situation worse, not better. He also needs to see a veterinarian if he is not eating/drinking.
 

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I've heard several conflicting things.... I've heard that the Potassium, Protein, and phosphorus levels are to stay low... but I've also heard they are to be increased in a dog with Renal Failure.... I'm so confused..... But, no, I haven't tried Pumpkin seed oil yet...I've been afraid to try anything.
Well i can certainly understand your caution, never fun to have these challenges in life.
Prayers:angel: to you and yours.
 
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