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Its been awhile since I've been here. Anyways. I have a 12 and1/2 yo Shepherd husky mix, who is an absolutely great dog. He has been healthy all his life but age is catching up with him :(. Anyways, he's been slowing down on his daily walks, has some difficulty with stairs and needs assistance to jump in the car. He hasn't jumped on our bed in probably 4-5 months, but it is a tall bed. He will chase the cat every morning and evening before meal times as that is their ritual.
As far as diet and supplements, he is on Acana pacifica grain free, although I think they changed their recipe so I might be on the hunt for a new food. He gets some grain free canned in the evening and grain free treats or meaty bones. Supplements he gets are glucosamine, chondroitin and msm. Actually I just bought Dasuquin as the supplements he was on were human coated caplets so I don't think he was absorbing them properly. Can't wait til the dasuquin gets here! He gets Alaskan salmon oil for omega 3 fatty acids, and Vit E. I have him on Ester C as well. I did get an MSM powder supplement but not sure if it is really working. Haven't seem a real improvement yet, but this is 2 weeks into that supplement.
Today I took him in a little early for his 6 month check up as I am concerned about his arthritis. They did xrays, some bloods and urine and sent us home with tramadol.
We will get the bloods and urine results tomorrow and then she wants to start an NSAID and adequan injections. I worked as a registered vet tech for many years so i will be doing the adequan injections at home. It's funny I've dealt with these issues in clients pets many times, but it is different when it is your own.
I really don't like NSAIDS and have held off them for a long time, but at this point I think they will be needed, at least till the adequan, dasaquin, ect take effect. My vet's go to drug is Previcoxx. We used that occassionally where I worked but we used rimadyl, metacam, and deramaxx more.
My question is for those that have used adequan did you see significant improvement? The vet I worked for never used it so I don't have much experience with it, but I'd rather use that and the occasional tramadol or a lower dose of previcox to get good results. Also my aunt is an accupuncturist for humans, but has done pets as well, so that is an avenue I am going to explore. I just want to get opinions as to what has worked for people and what hasn't. I'm not made of money and unfortunately am not currently working in the vet field, although I keep up to date. I do have pet insurance to ease the pain of the bills, but i don't want to buy millions of dollars of supplements that don't work.
I know that dasuquin has worked for lots as well as adequan. Of course the NSAIDs and tramadol are going to mask pain, I just want any other ideas or confirmation that yea dasuquin is great or adequan was worth it.

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Becky
 

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I have not had a dog with any need for these items, but have had personal experiance and have had horses with arthritis that needed them. With myself and my horse I have seen different suppliments work and others not work.

I personally have tried a few different glucosamine supplements. The only one that worked for me is very simular to dasuquin, it is from the same maker, but is for humans (Cosamin ASU). Without it I am in extream pain and don't want to get out of bed. I also get chiropractic, that helps me a lot. I personally cannot take NSAIDs because I get very sick from them.

Hitch, my dog is on dasuquin, just because he is active, for good joint health.

Pinky, my horse, showed no different results on Adaquan, although I know others that do very well with it. Pinky also gets something simular to dasuquin (cosaquin ASU) which he does pretty well. Pinky also responds well to acupuncture and chiropractic, better than his suppliments. He gets acupuncture every month, and chiro every two months.

Smarty, my husbands horse, gets cosaquin ASU, but it dosn't help him fully. I found giving him a little more MSM helps him a lot. Smarty used to get another brand of glucosamine supplement that worked better, but the company started to ship it badly and a lot would get wasted by falling out of the container in shipping.

I used to give the horses Lubrisyn, a liquid HA suppliment, combined with their glucosamine suppliment, they make a dog version that you may want to look up.

In my findings it seems that every individual responds to different treatments differently. For me, I just try different things until I find a combo that works. I hope you soon find what works for your dog.
 

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One of my tenants put her dog on adequan, and it went from walking slowly, to running around and playing with her other dog. I've also heard from others that it has done well. Be sure to do the loading dose, which is once every 4 days for a month, then repeat in 6 mo to a yr as needed. Don't be talked into once a week shots, or once a month shots. The loading dose is proven to be most effective.

The best thing you can do is keep him a little on the lean side. And regular light, low impact exercise. Also an orthopedic dog bed can help.
 

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Thanks,
Well we will see how the adequan works. At first I was wow it is expensive when I looked around, but after the loading dose I find that the periodic shots will be more reasonable if they work for him. Plus my doing it myself will save an office visit charge. For two vials of 5 mls each at my vet is 186 dollars, but I did some price checking and can find it for about 100 dollars. The two vials should be enough for the loading dose period, and then two vials should last a long time after that. Can't wait to get the dasaquin here but it still says "waiting to be shipped." I'm hoping that once adaquan and dasaquin get to their theraputic levels, if they work for him, then he won't need as much previcox or tramadol. I don't mind giving tramadol as it is safe, but has no antiinflamatory properties. We shall see. Right now he is pretty out of it as they gave him a sedative to do the Xrays, so he is really wobbly. As to diet, I think I am going to cut back a little. He is 58 pounds but I'd prefer him to be at least 55 or maybe even 53 pounds. He has put on a little weight as he hasn't been able to go on as long of walks. We used to do an hour long walk every day and sometimes hiking on the weekends, but lately we are lucky if we make it around the block. Granted it has been warm and around our block has some hills in parts but it was something we could do like nothing just a month or so ago.
 

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Don't underestimate the benefit of masking pain. I have a genetic form of early onset arthritis and at 36 have worse joints than the average 90 year old. I take painkillers so I can walk and otherwise exercise and the benefits of that are enormous. I'm strengthening the muscles around the joints, which cushions the joints. I've also been able to lower my blood pressure and heart rate which is obviously beneficial. A dog will receive similar benefits.

Definitely lower his weight. The less weight, the less pressure on the joints. You can cut back his food and replace the bulk with pumpkin or green beans. Try frequent short walks rather than infrequent long walks. My joints freeze up if I stay in one position too long and long walks are hard on me. Frequent, shorter walks, however, are fantastic for my general comfort.
 

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Well the vet called back with the lab results and both his blood and urine are great. She wants to go ahead with the adequan and previcoxx, so I ordered them from Dr's Foster and Smith as they are much cheaper there. He is on tramadol in the meantime to give him some relief. She also had the radiology specialist look at the xrays since he was there, and apparently both hips have pretty severe arthritis and the right knee is pretty consistent to an old injury. His spine is ok though. so I'm guessing the big issue and pain factor are those hips. It sucks because he has been on glucosamine and chondroitin since he was 4 to avoid things like this in later life. I had an old shepherd who had spondylosis and hip dysplasia so I was acting proactive on my current dog.
Anyways he is going to stay on the fish oil and vit e. I am going to start the dasaquin when it gets here. I'm debating on the Vit C as new studies are showing it increases arthritis. Once the adequan and Previcoxx get here we will do those. I am leary on the Previcoxx still, as you see all sorts of bad things on the internet. In reality in all my years as a vet tech, I have never seen an acute reaction to any of the usual NSAIDs. Then again, the doctor I worked for used Rimadyl, metacam and Deramaxx more. We did have one dog on Previcox that we special ordered for and she did great on it for several years. I just prefer natural treatments to the harsher stuff. I did some massage and pressure points on him last night before bed and he seemed a little less stiff this morning.
 
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