[Pawzk9]

If ignorance were nickles, this guy would be a millionare.
http://petslifemagazine.ca/petslife-interview-with-dog-trainer-brad-pattison/

 

[Amaryllis]

Yikes, Pawz, you tryin' to kill me?

I took all the constructive critisism and compliments and developed the Street Safety Training Course. Taking the lessons often taught in classrooms, out to the street where you find the most distractions, and where dogs seem to be injured the most.

Actually, dogs are far more likely to be injured at home, eating something like cooked chicken bones or chocolate.

This comes from experience, testing, watching and understanding the behavior of dogs/coyotes/wolves and the packs, and other industry experts and professionals including Dr. Ian Dunbar.

Dr. Dunbar must be coughing up his skull at being referenced by Pattison.

PL: What led you to creating your own training certification?

BP: Because no other method was working. No other method was preventing dogs from being euthanized for bad behavior.

Ahem. Nice Messiah Complex there, buddy, but the fact of the matter is, it's not the clicker that saves dogs, it's the owner's use of the clicker and commitment to training and management. No training method works if you don't use it.

PL: How would you describe your training method?

BP: I’m not really into titles, but I have been told by Pet Industry Professionals that it is the most Humane. I allow dogs to be dogs. Not running the risk of obesity, not jumping up, and not running away. I am not designing new bad behaviors, just eliminating them and creating good, well mannered, thinking dogs.

This is what Pattison does. That is a two handed leash check. That's not humane by any stretch of that word.

who are the "Pet Industry Professionals"? I don't know and neither does google.

PL: What about the other training methods did you disagree with?

BP: I feel that the other methods are using words and rewards to train a dog which is not languages that the dog actually understands.

Clicker training has decades of science behind it. It has been used to train killer whales, dolphins, bears and many other animals. It's simple operant conditioning.

Alright, I'm out. Typical leash yanker bs about clicker training causing obesity and not working.

 

[Mheath0429]

"As Adults, we are supposed to be setting a president and an example for the younger generation." I think he means precedent. oh my this guy is crazy

 

[KBLover]

PL: What about the other training methods did you disagree with?

BP: I feel that the other methods are using words and rewards to train a dog which is not languages that the dog actually understands.

Right, because dogs can't understand sounds. That's why they growl and bark at each other and whine and howl. That's why their vocal "vocabulary" is sound. A word is a sequence of sounds (hence: phonics).

And they understand leesh pops and yanks and whatever else - because dogs yank each other on leeshes. Right?

Whatever.

Me saying "get the ball!" is the same as him barking at me because the timer went off. They are both communicating an event with an expected behavior (me: I want him to get the ball, him: he wants me to go where the timer beeps are coming from)

 

[wvasko]

One thing she taught me was to never look at a dog as a breed. Golden Retrievers, Chihuaha’s, Great Danes, are all the same breed, but every dog within that breed has different needs. There isn’t a way to train Goldens, or a way to train Labs, each dog is different.

The lady that told him the above did not lie, how many times have I said it's the dog not the breed. Only thing is at my age I'll bet I said it before she did.

As far as BP goes, here we go again.

 

[trainingjunkie]

That article is unbelievable. And people give him money. Call me a Hater I guess.

 

[Rescued]

Right, because dogs can't understand sounds. That's why they growl and bark at each other and whine and howl. That's why their vocal "vocabulary" is sound. A word is a sequence of sounds (hence: phonics).

Me saying "get the ball!" is the same as him barking at me because the timer went off. They are both communicating an event with an expected behavior (me: I want him to get the ball, him: he wants me to go where the timer beeps are coming from)

:crazy:

I dont know what kind of dumb dog you have, toby speaks three languages AND is fluent in sign language

That video is so sad

 

[trainingjunkie]

As I see it, most of us chose to share our lives with dogs because we like them and they bring joy into our homes.

Why, then, would any of us want to go to battle with them or get distracted by engaging in power struggles with them? Why would any dog lover chose a path of confrontation?

And if dogs really are so power-hungry, why keep them?

The article makes me sad. Think of all of the people out there who will read it and think they just learned something.

 

[RaeganW]

What bothers me the most about this interview is that he apparently remembers none of the names of any dog or person he's ever worked with.

"I then met a lady in North Vancouver back in the 90’s, I can’t remember her name, but she was the best trainer I have ever met."

Really? The best trainer you ever met, the pinnacle of achievement in your profession, and you don't remember her NAME?

That's ultimately why I don't think this interview is going to win him any converts. He comes off sounding so disconnected and uninterested in his clients.

 

[GrinningDog]

I don't know a whole lot about Brad Pattinson, except that his methods use a lot of flooding and punishment. Ugh.

Reading the article, though, I instantly dislike him. He basically throws a bunch of terms and phrases together that sound good (perhaps, to the uneducated dog owner) but don't mean anything. What he's saying is largely nonsense. The man clearly thinks highly of himself and makes up bullpoop, thinking he can get away with it. I hate people like that.

 

[Tofu_pup]

There are so many things that are wrong with that interview it's not even funny. That man is something else.

 

[boxerlover876]

I love how he quotes Ceaser Millan and Victoria Stilwell together when their methods are completely different...

It seems like his methods are more getting a dog to fear you and then listen. Pinching a puppy in the ear until it squeals? I'm done with this guy.

I do agree with dominance as a whole to a degree though. Although I don't flip my dogs and would never sugest it. All I do is if he's on the floor I put myself over him in the air, or if I'm petting him I might. I never force him, but he seems to understand and accept that I'm dominant.

 

[Amaryllis]

I do agree with dominance as a whole to a degree though. Although I don't flip my dogs and would never sugest it. All I do is if he's on the floor I put myself over him in the air, or if I'm petting him I might. I never force him, but he seems to understand and accept that I'm dominant.

Dominance theory is thoroughly debunked. Your dog accepts it because he's tolerant to handling, or because you're petting him and he doesn't care as long as he gets pets. Dominance isn't in it.

 

[Pawzk9]

I think my favorite was his rant about Chicken Camp, and how you can't learn about dogs from chickens. Of course you can learn good timing and good reinforcement skills on chickens because they aren't biddable and willing to work with humans like dogs are. But they ARE subject to the rules of learning. I also had to chuckle at his contortions to get out of having to explain the simplest behavior terms.

 

[sassafras]

I only got to the part where he said he thinks it's wrong when people think bullying is ok, because then I laughed so hard I choked on my own spit and fainted.

 

[Pawzk9]

I only got to the part where he said he thinks it's wrong when people think bullying is ok, because then I laughed so hard I choked on my own spit and fainted.

I'm so sorry!!!! Hope you are recovered now.

 

[skitty56]

I only got to the part where he said he thinks it's wrong when people think bullying is ok, because then I laughed so hard I choked on my own spit and fainted.

Love this

 

[Willowy]

That's the worst interview I've even seen, no matter what the subject. I don't think he answered one question straight out. He should be a politician .

 

[Rescued]

One of our readers put the challenge out for you to define the following terms: operant conditioning, +CER, DRI, Counter-conditioning, threshold distance, desensitizing, LAT, CTT, ABI, ritualized vs. n0n-ritualized conflict resolution between dogs, aversives, what is a calming signal and why do dogs use them.

BP: I think it is ignorant when people over talk to their clients. “Your dog has OCD, territorial aggression, Possessive aggression with maternal aggression.” That’s great. But you didn’t give the client any information.

if I sit down, walk through and explain each to a client, rather than saying the fancy terms, its different.

I hate it when my vet tries to say things like "urinary incontinence" and "hip dysplasia." Its "wee-wee tinkles" and "the ar-thuh-ritises", DUH

It is friendlier and more understanding. My CTE’s then take more time with their clients, are not rushed, and that is part of our Customer Service.

Right, because by the time I seek out a behaviorist (if thats even what we can call you) I'm most concerned about customer service, and not the results you get with my dog.

All of those terms are straight from the Treat Training Industry Vocabulary. We don’t use them anyway! They are all clinical based. I get concerned when I hear trainers throwing these terms around.

[/QUOTE]

OOOH, that scary treat training industry. those bastards. and clinical? all i hear is cyni-cal *bah dum psshht*

:clap2:

 

[KBLover]

I hate it when my vet tries to say things like "urinary incontinence" and "hip dysplasia." Its "wee-wee tinkles" and "the ar-thuh-ritises", DUH



Right, because by the time I seek out a behaviorist (if thats even what we can call you) I'm most concerned about customer service, and not the results you get with my dog.

OOOH, that scary treat training industry. those bastards. and clinical? all i hear is cyni-cal *bah dum psshht*

:clap2:[/QUOTE]


LOL great response.

What's so funny is that calming signals are not even from a training aspect at all. It's closer to ethology, the study of natural animal behavior and communication.

You don't have to train a dog to give calming signals. And what the heck is a "Treat Training Industry"?

He just picked on some terms he threw together and basically said "See? They tell you nothing." Heaven forbid you say what it's called...THEN EXPLAIN IT AND THEN EXPLAIN HOW TO HELP THE ISSUE. I mean, my goodness - people may not be behaviorists, but most people aren't stupid.


This is guy is a troll on the whole fields of ethology and dog training...and getting paid to do it.