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however, you have the right to do as you chose... The main point is that this is your property (owner occupied or not) and you have the right to do as you see fit.
No, no you really do not. There are things like laws that govern what is and isn't within an individual's right in any given situation. You cannot just do whatever you want to.
 

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Who knows what would have happened if your dog wasn't there.
I do, the dog bit the guy as he was trying to leave through the window apparently, meaning all that would have happened if the dog wasn't there would be the guy would have escaped. No one would have gotten hurt in that case either, but there would also be no worry over a potential bite lawsuit.

Unless letting a trespasser escape is so bad that its more important they get caught?
 

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Sending your dog to attack a person can be considered assault with a deadly weapon. While it sounds like things are working out this time, I'd suggest not letting your dog handle a situation that you should be handling as the bipedal mammal with a large brain that is able to far more accurately assess the threat level posed by an individual on your property.
It was his property.... In at least 34 states he has EVERY right to clear it.... It is called a Castle Doctrine..... In most states it includes your home, other buildings and properties you own, your work... And your vehicle...... And many states have language in their Castle Doctrines specifically protecting dogs.
 

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Again.... Castle Doctrines do vary by state... In many states the laws extend to any building, dwelling, etc that you have physical or practical control over (read as you have a key and custody of the building) ..... Including apartments, hotel rooms, sheds, warehouses, barns. vehicles, etc.

Combine that with the fact that 20 states have stand your ground laws.... Relieving you of any obligation or duty to retreat....

I am assuming Winston's property was currently unoccupied... If he had renters living in the house, he would have no protection under a castle doctrine.... But if the building is empty and under his physical control, he would in states that extend the castle doctrine beyond your primary dwelling....
 

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All the above being stated about castle doctrines and stand your ground laws....

Loosing my dog to go after someone in an un occupied building? Why? Seems kind of foolish.... Even IF you have the right to do so in your state... What are you going to gain by not stepping back and calling the police? You have a lot to lose.... They might be ready for you.... They might be all methed up and more than you and your dog can handle..... What if they are on PCP? Then you are dealing with a super paranoid, super charged person that is FULL of adrenaline and NOT likely to go down easy..... By dog or gun....

Everyone is going to have a different opinion on this.... Me.... If say it is a family member's home, I believe them to be inside, and someone has broken in and in there with them? I am not going to wait on police.... I am going in with everything I have.... Dogs included if they are with me...
My home does not really apply... Because there is usually at least one or two dogs at the house at all times.... If someone breaks in, it is likely going to be a mess when I get there. IF on the off chance all the dogs were with us and we came home to OUR house, and I believed someone was inside.... I would have a HARD time waiting on the police and would probably go in.... It is somehow more personal to me... More violating..... For someone to be inside where I live and sleep......

If someone is trying to force their way into my car and for some reason I cannot simply Drive away..... Blocked in, stuck in traffic, etc.... I am going to try and drive away if I can..... If I cannot they are going to see a gun REAL Quick... IF they continue to attempt to force their way into my vehicle. I would use the gun.....

But a empty rental house? Not worth it.... At all... Too many things can go wrong..... Even if you are right.....


And I say that..... As a person that would use my dogs as a weapon... I have a I watch your back, you watch my back mentality with my dogs... I expect them to alert me if someone is sneaking around.... At home, out and about..... in hotels, when traveling. I EXPECT them to sound the alarm and be the first line of defense at home... And to fight with me and or for me to protect myself and my wife.... And each other...

I also say that as a person that has carried a concealed handgun, nearly every day of MOST of my adult life..... Going on 27 years... IF I am out... I usually have a firearm on me... In the waist of my pants, in a pocket.... I have never had to use it.... I hope I never have to. I will.... But I do not want to.... I am glad Florida has a Stand Your Ground Law... It makes things more straight forward. But still.... IF I can safely back out of a situation, when I am out in public, and retreat, I will... It does not matter that I am within the law.... It does not matter that the person is a threat... If I can back away... I will... If not... Well then I will deal with the situation..... My house is a different story.... Someone is trying to break in my house.... When we are home.... If the dogs going nuts does not scare them off and they continue to attempt to get in..... I have to assume they mean us harm and are willing to face me and the dogs... At home, I am not retreating, hiding, etc....
 

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Winston318, weren't you also asking about a CAFIB Fila Brasiliero? Please consider, if you had loosed a dog with full fledged ojeriza temperament, you might be in extreme legal trouble ATM.

Homeless people, by in large, are after shelter. They trespass. If they're addicts, they are likely to steal stuff. But they are likely to stay put, and generally not violent. Even if it takes the police 45 minutes to arrive, it's not worth the risk of using a dog to clear the place.
 

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Winston318, weren't you also asking about a CAFIB Fila Brasiliero? Please consider, if you had loosed a dog with full fledged ojeriza temperament, you might be in extreme legal trouble ATM.

Homeless people, by in large, are after shelter. They trespass. If they're addicts, they are likely to steal stuff. But they are likely to stay put, and generally not violent. Even if it takes the police 45 minutes to arrive, it's not worth the risk of using a dog to clear the place.
Yes I am looking for 1. My wife has been against it for years. After the other day she is all for it.

I'm not rich or wealthy by any means. The 3 rental properties that we own are in some pretty bad parts of town. My wife is now afraid to go to any of the properties, and has stated that she's not going to any of them. I understand completely and I don't want her to go either. This situation has changed me. I'm not going to go to any of them without at least one of my dogs.
It's a sad day when you have to worry about people taking up residence; without permission in your properties.
 

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Yes I am looking for 1. My wife has been against it for years. After the other day she is all for it.

I'm not rich or wealthy by any means. The 3 rental properties that we own are in some pretty bad parts of town. My wife is now afraid to go to any of the properties, and has stated that she's not going to any of them. I understand completely and I don't want her to go either. This situation has changed me. I'm not going to go to any of them without at least one of my dogs.
It's a sad day when you have to worry about people taking up residence; without permission in your properties.
Which essentially means you are willing to "upgrade" from a dog that you thought would bay to alert you but instead bit a person running away from them to a dog that is likely not to alert at all and where a bite is likely to do serious-to-fatal damage.

I have no issue with someone protecting themselves, kids, family, home and such. But the idea of sending a dog who is likely to do major damage to someone after an unknown individual in a vacant property is not, IMO, anywhere near the same thing.

Anyways, like I mentioned before, better make sure your homeowners policy covers such dogs.

(And hey, thanks for making it all that much harder for those of us with certain breeds to get insurance and ya know, not have our dogs freaking killed just for being blocky headed)
 

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Which essentially means you are willing to "upgrade" from a dog that you thought would bay to alert you but instead bit a person running away from them to a dog that is likely not to alert at all and where a bite is likely to do serious-to-fatal damage.

I have no issue with someone protecting themselves, kids, family, home and such. But the idea of sending a dog who is likely to do major damage to someone after an unknown individual in a vacant property is not, IMO, anywhere near the same thing.

Anyways, like I mentioned before, better make sure your homeowners policy covers such dogs.

(And hey, thanks for making it all that much harder for those of us with certain breeds to get insurance and ya know, not have our dogs freaking killed just for being blocky headed)
I wouldn't use a Fila for that. I've always wanted one and now the wife is ok with it.
 

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I wouldn't use a Fila for that. I've always wanted one and now the wife is ok with it.
The change from your wife not wanting a Fila to wanting a Fila appears to be an encounter in a vacant rental property. If you would not use a Fila to enter a vacant rental property, then why the change of heart?
 

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The change from your wife not wanting a Fila to wanting a Fila appears to be an encounter in a vacant rental property. If you would not use a Fila to enter a vacant rental property, then why the change of heart?
Because I used the situation in my negotiations with her. I'm in the car business. I'm an ok negotiator
 

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Because I used the situation in my negotiations with her. I'm in the car business. I'm an ok negotiator
Ummmmm.... That is NOT negotiation.... That is using your wife's safety concerns to manipulate her into agreeing to a dog she did not want..... A dog she is going to have to live with every day......
 

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Because I used the situation in my negotiations with her. I'm in the car business. I'm an ok negotiator
A good negotiation involves such things as discussing goals, alternatives, possible outcomes, consequences and then it will turn to possible solutions.

Since your situation at the rental house had/has multiple alternatives, multiple possible outcomes, multiple (even very bad) outcomes and multiple (even very bad) consequences, then I wonder if you really turned to the possible solution together after a full meeting of the minds.

Living with a dog that one does not like or worse, fears, is not a nice thing.
 

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Then you'd be acting incredibly irresponsibly. At the very least, if you know nothing about who's in the house, there's really nothing to say that it's not, say, some kids messing around, or an elder with dementia who has entered thinking it's their own place.

This is not an emergency. There is no need to flush any person who might be there out at this very second. It's an empty property.
all I can say is don't move out into the country.. stay in the city where you have first responders that are overmanned and underworked that can run out to everything... If the most you can have , is have the dispatch on the phone with you , then that is all that you have.
 

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all I can say is don't move out into the country.. stay in the city where you have first responders that are overmanned and underworked that can run out to everything... If the most you can have , is have the dispatch on the phone with you , then that is all that you have.
I can almost guarantee I live more rural than you do. I am in a fairly isolated part of Alaska. We certainly don't have "first responders" or whatever you're going on about.
 

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Then you know exactly what I am talking about and even more so.
Even without access to first responders, there are better ways to deal approach a suspect occupation by homeless people than loosing a dog. At least, first assess who is in the building and whether they are armed . .. or poor and desperate, whether there are children present, etc. Could be an accident victim who needs help. Who knows?
 

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Even without access to first responders, there are better ways to deal approach a suspect occupation by homeless people than loosing a dog. At least, first assess who is in the building and whether they are armed . .. or poor and desperate, whether there are children present, etc. Could be an accident victim who needs help. Who knows?
not disagreeing with all the detailed information everyone has (added) to prove valid points of having full complete knowledge of the situation they are entering into before hand.

My Dads second house , not lived in, outside of New Orleans. Lots of break ins and attempted squatters .. My Dad got the ADT stuff, "local Home security monitoring system", and the house was also registered with the local police department as an unoccupied house. Both were contacted and given the information that he was coming in or that one of his kids was coming in to be at the house, especially if I was showing up with the dogs (Darien lol) so no one would respond to the alarm or a neighbor calling in and try to walk up to the house. Was common that I showed up first with all my GSDs typically having the 9 of them, and depend on travel from CO I could show up late at night. Long creepy driveway off the old Highway getting to the house for anyone to see me coming up to the house and me not see them. You bet I drive up to the house and let all my dogs out of the vehicle to rush out and all around on a large heavy vegetation property. The house was 13 / 15ft off the ground on pillars that couldn't be set up for a security system area by ADT. You Bet I let the Dogs rush into the house and flush it out, in front of me while I went to disarm the security system that old house was creepier then an old horror movie. Then call my Dad to let him know I was there and everything seemed ok..... Lots of circumstances that the security system wasn't monitored or not working to still have a break in and the local Police didn't check on the house, they only knew if they had a reason to go to that house or the fire department for a fire, that it was not suppose to be occupied.

Its stupid to think, Anyone of us that are suppose to be there, is going to wait at the highway gate and call and ask for police escort every time we come back to the house just because someone could be there that shouldn't be there for no other reason then it could happen and was possible.. thank goodness I have the dogs with me just in case, that is the same right as everyone who straps on a loaded fire arm just to leave their house to go into open public areas that they don't own. Lets keep it real .. No different from me calling the dispatcher and explaining that I think someone is in one of my out buildings as the dogs are furiously trying to dig under it from all sides and all the doors are now locked, when my house and buildings was first being built and still under construction and not occupied. No one coming.. go get the key to the doors and let the dogs rush in.. And someone had been in there, they fled out the other door by the time I got back with the key. And they had been sleeping there. You could see where with muddy feet they had climbed up into the rafters at one time. (for what to lay in wait). Give me a break of reality... is all that I am saying...
 

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Well in this case it wasn't "There is a possibility of someone being inside because that's a thing that sometimes happens in this area". The OP got a tip from a neighbour that an intruder may be in their house, and then the OP went to arm themselves.
 
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