[tirluc]

i think this goes beyond BYB......how can anyone human do this to an animal....
http://www.dogster.com/the-scoop/ro...-07032012_Dogster_newsletter&utm_medium=email

i hope they get.........i don't know....NOTHING would be good enuff IMO

 

[ChaosIsAWeim]

It's sickening but unfortunately its not uncommon in breeding practices like that one.

 

[HollowHeaven]

I'm not sure what the appropriate reaction for this is.

 

[So Cavalier]

Having two rescues from a hoarder....all I can say is "Oh my God!". It is a good thing that those poor dears were rescued. I thought my dogs were in bad shape when I got them....nothing compared to poor little Rosie.

 

[kafkabeetle]

This is not a byb situation where people are purposefully breeding dogs to make money. It's a classic hoarding scenerio-- she claimed to love and miss them and cried when they were adopted out. It's terrible what has happened to these dogs, but their owner clearly has a mental condition.

 

[aiw]

This is pretty horrifying and hard to see but I don't think those people sound evil, just mentally ill. They weren't out to make money and they dont sound malicious... Obviously the hoarders need some pretty serious help themselves.

 

[Willowy]

I've met people like that. . .I won't say mentally ill (well, I don't know them personally, but by the description and based on the people I've known). It's more of a, hmm, denial, maybe? Ignorance? Learned helplessness? They don't know what proper care consists of, what healthy animals look/act like, and don't have the gumption to do anything about the conditions even if someone spells it out for them. You could maybe call it a mental illness, but it's something that could be treated.

 

[Abbylynn]

This is very disturbing. IMHO ... the owners of these dogs need some sort of professional help ... and I am not saying what kind of help ... I am just glad to see that these dogs and Rosie have a chance at a halfway normal life ... if that is what you want to call it.

 

[So Cavalier]

They don't know what proper care consists of, what healthy animals look/act like,

The woman who my dogs were confiscated from actually worked in a "high end" dog store. Not one that sells puppies, but sells better dog/cat food, clothes, beds, etc. She actually had dead cats and a dead parrot in her home.

 

[InkedMarie]

I've been following along on Rosie's fb page. May the owner rot you-know-where.

 

[CptJack]

I've met people like that. . .I won't say mentally ill (well, I don't know them personally, but by the description and based on the people I've known). It's more of a, hmm, denial, maybe? Ignorance? Learned helplessness? They don't know what proper care consists of, what healthy animals look/act like, and don't have the gumption to do anything about the conditions even if someone spells it out for them. You could maybe call it a mental illness, but it's something that could be treated.

Hoarding IS a mental illness, and this is 100% classic hoarding. It is treatable. Treating it appropriately is NECESSARY to prevent it reoccurring - and to save the person's life, as well as the lives of more animals. Lousy, lousy situation - for the animals first, of course, because they are truly innocent, but also DANGED sad for the people who are afflicted.

 

[Willowy]

I didn't say it was never mental illness. . .just that it's not ALWAYS mental illness. I have met hoarders who definitely showed signs of it being a mental illness. And I've met other people who "hoarded" animals like this and it was not noticably a mental illness. Just a situation that got out of control and they don't have the life skills to do anything about it. Usually true hoarders will get more animals (or whatever they're hoarding) right away after getting cleaned out, but those who aren't true hoarders don't.

 

[CptJack]

I didn't say it was never mental illness. . .just that it's not ALWAYS mental illness. I have met hoarders who definitely showed signs of it being a mental illness. And I've met other people who "hoarded" animals like this and it was not noticably a mental illness. Just a situation that got out of control and they don't have the life skills to do anything about it. Usually true hoarders will get more animals (or whatever they're hoarding) right away after getting cleaned out, but those who aren't true hoarders don't.

This is true - especially 'getting more animals when they're cleaned out'. I wasn't going to touch on it, but removing all the animals almost never works in cases of real hoarding. Leaving some and intensive therapy CAN, especially if there's a desire to do better there. It just takes time and supervision and the resources for that aren't there. Or something.

 

[kafkabeetle]

I didn't say it was never mental illness. . .just that it's not ALWAYS mental illness. I have met hoarders who definitely showed signs of it being a mental illness. And I've met other people who "hoarded" animals like this and it was not noticably a mental illness. Just a situation that got out of control and they don't have the life skills to do anything about it. Usually true hoarders will get more animals (or whatever they're hoarding) right away after getting cleaned out, but those who aren't true hoarders don't.

IMO, even if it isn't apparent, some sort of mental illness would have to be involved for a situation to get this bad. I mean, reckless, irresponsible, ignorant people can accidentally overbreed or neglect their animals. But in situations where animals are never going outside and therefore must be defecating in the house (and continuing to live amongst it), where MANY more animals than a single person could care for are present and no effort is made to prevent continued breeding even for reasons of practicality, when a dog has kibbles caked to the inside of their deformed mouth and no one seems to notice a problem? I just don't buy it that ANY fully functioning adult would let it get that bad. Many obvious warning signs were missed that no normal person could possibly be ignorant enough to miss.

And obviously the goal of treatment for hoarders would be to help them stop acquiring more animals/objects etc. I don't think it makes sense to say that a person could never have been a hoarder just because they are in recovery. But anyway, I don't think the article even mentioned if the person acquired more dogs after the rescue or not.

 

[CptJack]

And obviously the goal of treatment for hoarders would be to help them stop acquiring more animals/objects etc. I don't think it makes sense to say that a person could never have been a hoarder just because they are in recovery. But anyway, I don't think the article even mentioned if the person acquired more dogs after the rescue or not.

There has been a run on people being called hoarders lately because they're 'over their head' with animals, based on numbers or finances or etc. The thing is, hoarding has specific diagnostic criteria. One of those is being delusional about the state of the animal - that they're 'saving them', and they're just fine, even if they're obviously **Not**. Another is that hoarding is an obsessive-compulsive disorder - and the urge to get more animals is a compulsion, not just a 'I should'.

Neither of those mean that the case discussed here isn't a hoarder; it's fairly obvious that they are. But having a large number of animals (or objects) and living in bad conditions can be caused by other disorders - even if they're in crap up to the owners knees. Really bad depression is common - that soul-sucking apathy that won't let people DO anything. Anxiety disorders also apply (too scared to ask for help).

Hoarders CAN recover, yes, absolutely, but when the situation only looks like hoarding, but the motivation ISN'T the Obsessive-Compulsive accumulation of hoarding, they need treated for what is wrong. Not for hoarding. So what they're recovering from is different, and recognizing those difference is important. Still mental illness, abso-tively. People just need to be aware enough not to diagnose it all as hoarding.

 

[Nev Allen]

Sorry but I am just speechless.

 

[NozOnyCalAur]

Yeah I've been following Rosie's fb page too. Hoarding is sad. Not all people do it with animals. My grandmother is a hoarder, but she hoards everything. Nothing gets thrown away. She has grocery bags fulls of things like bread bags, rubber bands, paper clips, coffee cans of buttons and zippers, paperclips. Boxes full of used aluminum foil. Piles of newspapers, magazines, and I think every piece of mail for the past 30 years. She also never threw away clothes. She had garbage cans full of clothes from the seventies. She kept all the boxes and packaging to everything she ever bought, TV, waffle iron, coffee maker, or any knick knack ever gifted to her. Before she went to a nursing home you had to navigate her house through these little paths.