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Some interesting developments on the table regarding the group stays. These proposals will be presented to the Board of Directors at the October meeting, and voted on at the November meeting. If they are approved, they will go into effect March 2018. http://images.akc.org/pdf/events/obedience/Status_of_Group_Exercise_Task_Force_-_Website.pdf

Apparently, the Canadian Kennel Club has already changed their Open class to allow for two different, but equally counted, options, one with the traditional OOS groups, and the other with a modified stay and a position change exercise.
 

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I haven't heard of any actual changes taking place with the CKC yet.

Here are some of the relevant proposals.

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2.6.5 There must be 2 ring stewards each with a slip leash in the ring at all times during the group exercises. They
should remain standing in the ring, watching the dogs in the group, until all dog/handler teams have exited
the ring.

BACKGROUND:
Consensus of competitors is that they have more comfort in the Group Stays ring with two stewards that are
watching all dogs. Slip leashes could allow the steward to have easier access to controlling a loose dog than to grab
a collar and look for ring to snap leash onto the dog.

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6.4 Dogs Must Compete
DELETE CURRENT
6.4.1 Any dog entered and received at a trial must compete in all exercises of all classes in which it is entered,
unless excused by the judge, official veterinarian, superintendent, or the Trial Committee chair. If excused
by the official veterinarian, the excuse must be in writing on the form provided and attached to the judge’s
book. If the dog is excused by either the superintendent or Trial Committee chair, a note to this effect must
be written on the inside cover of the judge’s book and the reason stated thereon.
REPLACE WITH NEW
6.4.1 Any dog entered and received at a trial must compete in all individual exercises of all classes in which it is
entered, unless excused by the judge, superintendent, or the Trial Committee chair. If a dog is excused by
any of these officials for biting or attempting to bite, the reason for the excusal must be recorded by the
official on the relevant CKC form, and a copy of the form provided to the dog’s handler at the show, and the
CKC according to Appendix D.”
BACKGROUND:
The addition of the word “individual” to the first sentence of this rule would allow for other changes approved for
excusing handlers and dogs from group exercises.
The reference to an official veterinarian has been removed because one is rarely in atte4ndance at events
nowadays, and the form mentioned no longer exists,
The changes proposed to the second and third sentences would clarify procedures for excusing dogs at trials that
bite or attempt to bite.

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12 OPEN CLASS
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12.1.6 Prior to the start of judging, the judge will choose which sequence of positions is to be performed in
the Change of Positions exercise. This choice will not be disclosed to exhibitors until it is posted at
ring side at least 30 minutes before the start of the class. In future assignments, judges are required
to alternate the six routines so that each set will be used approximately the same number of times
AMEND
12.2.7 Prior to the start of judging, the judge will choose which of the six numbered routines is to be performed,
and which sequence of positions is to be performed in the Change of Positions exercise, except in
Open A where only sequence (a) will be done. This choice will not be disclosed to exhibitors until it is
posted at ring side at least 30 minutes before the start of the class. In future assignments, judges are
required to alternate the six routines so that each set will be used approximately the same number of times
AMEND:
12.3 Exercises & Scores for Open A
12.3.1 The exercises and scores shall be:
(a) Heel Free and Figure Eight 40 points
(b) Drop on Recall 30 points
(c) Retrieve on Flat 25 points
(d) Retrieve over High Jump 35 points
(e) Broad Jump 20 points
(f) Long Sit Change of Position (a) 25 30 points
(g) Long Down Long Sit 25 20 points
Maximum Total Score 200 points
AMEND:
12.4 Exercises & Scores for Open B
12.4.1 The various routines shall be as listed here. The points and total will be the same as for Open A.
12.30.2
OPEN 1
(a) Heel Free and Figure Eight
(b) Drop on Recall
(c) Retrieve on Flat
(d) Retrieve over High Jump
(e) Broad Jump
(f) Change of Positions
OPEN 2
(a) Change of Positions
(b) Broad Jump
(c) Retrieve over High Jump
(d) Retrieve on Flat
(e) Drop on Recall
(f) Figure Eight and Heel Free
OPEN 3
(a) Retrieve on Flat
(b) Change of Positions
(c) Drop on Recall
(d) Retrieve over High Jump
(e) Broad Jump
(f) Figure Eight and Heel Free
OPEN 4
(a) Drop on Recall
(b) Heel Free and Figure Eight
(c) Change of Positions
(d) Retrieve over High Jump
(e) Broad Jump
(f) Retrieve on Flat
OPEN 5
(a) Retrieve over High Jump
(b) Drop on Recall
(c) Figure Eight and Heel Free
(d) Change of Positions
(e) Retrieve on Flat
(f) Broad Jump
OPEN 6
(a) Broad Jump
(b) Figure Eight and Heel Free
(c) Drop on Recall
(d) Retrieve over High Jump
(e) Change of Positions
(f) Retrieve on Flat
All routines shall be followed by a Long Sit as in Open A.
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12.11 Group Sit & Down Exercises
12.11.1 The principal features and deductions are the same as for the Novice Group Sit & Down Exercises
12.11.2 The orders for the Long Sit exercise are: “Sit your dogs,” “Leave your dogs,” “Back to your dogs,” “Exercise
finished.”
12.11.1 The orders for the Long Down exercise are: “Down your dogs,” “Leave your dogs,” “Back to your dogs,”
“Exercise finish” “Put your leash on your dogs,” “Maintain control of your dogs.”
12.30.3
12.11.1 The Long Sit and Long Down exercises in the Open Classes, are performed in the same manner as in the
Novice Classes, except that after leaving their dogs the handler must immediately leave the ring and go to
a place designated by the judge out of sight of their dogs, where they must remain until 3 minutes has
passed. On the judge’s order the handlers will return to the ring and line up opposite their dogs and on
further order, return to their dogs as in Novice.
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12.11 Change of Positions Exercise
12.11.1 The principal features of this exercise shall be that the dog respond correctly to the handler’s verbal
commands or signal only to sit, down and stand twice at a distance according to one of these six possible
sequences:
(a) [graphic depictions unavailable]
(b)
(c)
(d)
(e)
(f)
12.11.2 The orders for this exercise are “Stand (or “Down,”), according to the sequence to be performed, “Leave
your dog,” “Back to your dog” and “Exercise finished.”
12.11.3 The handler shall stand in a position indicated by the judge 1.8m (6’) behind a clearly marked line with his
dog sitting at heel. On the judge’s orders, he will give the first position command and leave the dog. The
handler shall then walk straight forward about 6.1m (20’) beyond the line, and turn to face his dog, standing
with his arms hanging naturally at his sides, after which, from a discreet distance, the judge will signal the
orders for the next five positions sequentially, pausing briefly after each position is assumed by the
dog. Finally the judge will order the handler to return to his dog, walking around behind it to the heel
position. The dog should not move from the last position until the judge has said “Exercise finished.”
12.11.4 No dog shall qualify which fails to change position correctly after a single command or signal, to hold that
position until the next command or signal, and the end of the exercise, or steps over the line at any time.
12.11.5 Substantial or minor deductions shall be given, depending on the circumstances, for a dog that makes
minor moves at any time from position, or is slow to respond.
12.12 Group Sit Exercise
12.12.1 The principal features are the same as for the Novice Group Sit Exercise.
12.30.4
12.12.2 The orders for the Long Sit exercise are: “Sit your dogs,” “Leave your dogs,” “Walk around your dogs,”
“Back to your dogs,” “Exercise finished, maintain control of your dog.”
12.12.3 The exercise shall be conducted in the same manner as the Long Sit in Novice, except that one minute
after giving the order to “Leave your dogs,” the judge will order the handlers “Walk around your dogs”. The
handlers will then promptly walk back to their dogs, each walking around behind his own dog to the heel
position, and without pausing, continue across the ring again, and turn to face his dog. Three (3) minutes
after giving the order “Leave your dogs,” the judge will order the handlers to return.
12.12.4 No dog shall qualify if the handler gives an additional command or signal at any time after leaving the dog,
and before the exercise is finished.
12.12.5 A substantial or minor deduction, depending on the circumstances, shall be given to a handler that
hesitates or pauses at any time while walking around his dog.
12.12.6 All penalties listed under the Novice Sit Stay exercise shall apply.”
BACKGROUND:
Voiced by CKC members, exhibitors and obedience/rally council members for two replacements for the out of sight
group stays are the same issues facing AKC. Headed always in the same direction on slightly different paths
continues between our two clubs. We should learn from them that many clubs cannot offer many additional classes
because of the size of the facility they use for their events and they don’t have enough space to offer multiple rings to
facilitate the judging schedules which equals lower entries to offer so many classes.
In today’s life of diverse dog training methods and philosophies that variously impact the behavior of dogs coming to
trials. At the same time, there is also a strong consensus in the sport that the impulse control and obedience
demonstrated in a group stay must be preserved and reflect real life situations with today’s new animal by-laws and
way of life. The individual exercise testing stand, sit and down skills, with command discrimination which demonstrate
steadiness and obedience at a distance with skills performed in place. For Open A dogs these two exercises creates
stepping stones toward Utility. For the Open B dogs, a randomized order of skills is designed to challenge
experienced teams
The two replacement exercises on this motion were a joint effort by all council members after viewing many
suggestions and other motions and working together as a team selected what is being presented to the BOD. This
motion is not a give-me. It will take training and proofing before and reflect the purpose of obedience second
sentence “The basic objective of obedience trials is to produce dogs that have been trained to behave in the home, in
public places and in the present of other dogs, in a manner that reflects credit on the sport of obedience.”
Note that the group sit described here is NOT an “out of sight” exercise and builds on the long sit exercise already
used in the novice class.
 

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I was under the impression that the CKC changes had been approved?
 
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