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So there is a woman at my training class who says her dog is a Mini Rottie.... but there is no Rottie in the dog.... It LOOKS a lot like a mini rottie, but she says the dog is doberman / pekinese.... and she says that this dog is now being bred regularly to try and establish a new breed.

OK, but THIS dog looks like a Rottie, but I bet 50% of them don't. This dog is about 9 months old and weighs about 20 pounds or so.

Is this what's happening?
 

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I haven't heard of them. . .I don't doubt that the designer dog breeders have done it, though. But I don't know how common that mix is.

And really, Dobe/Peke? That seems odd for a small dog mix. If I were trying to get a black-and-tan heavy-set dog I would use a Manchester Terrier or Min Pin, not a full size Dobe. I wonder if the breeder really is doing that or if the lady is mistaken.
 

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So I Googled "mini Rottweiler" and it showed me Carlin Pinschers. . .a mix between a Pug and a Min Pin. Which makes way more sense than a Dobe/Peke. But that's all I could find on the subject.
 

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I have a dark brindle Chihuahua and lots of people ask me where I got my 'mini staffy.'
 

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Tell her that if she truly wants to create a miniature Rottie she actually has to own a Rottie and begin breeding the smaller ones to "downsize" the breed but still maintain "the breed" itself. What she is creating is a Peek-a-man or something like that. Maybe a Dobenese?
 

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Tell her that if she truly wants to create a miniature Rottie she actually has to own a Rottie and begin breeding the smaller ones to "downsize" the breed but still maintain "the breed" itself. What she is creating is a Peek-a-man or something like that. Maybe a Dobenese?
Dobenese sounds like a type of spaghetti.

How do people not get if you cross two breeds and the pups look like one parent but smaller they are NOT purebred? Oodles don't get called 'extra fluffy Chihuahuas' they get get called Pomchis or something.
 

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I found some stuff on Yahoo suggesting they are a Rottie/Staffie Mix.... to that I say, why not buy a mule, lol!

(I say that with the love that only a Rottie and Staffie Mom can have.)
 

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"mini rottie" = some greeders marketing scam to make a quick buck.

I've seen a few websites advertising these, some have pug mixes... They aren't a miniature rottweiler though.
 

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I know this is a old thread but I just wanted to let you know that a Carlin Pinscher is a mix between a pug and a miniature pinscher. There are people trying to make a new breed and are breeding 2nd 3rd and 4th generation Carlin Pinschers. These dogs are very close to becoming a recognized new breed. Some people call them mini rottweilers because they resemble them in some ways but they are NOT mini rottweilers as they have no rottie blood lines. The breeders are very careful what dogs they breed them with and the breeders have developed a standard they go by for temperament and build. I know a breeder and she is actually into her 5th generation and has told me it is very hard to find more that she can use to take the breed further. All her puppies look the same and have the same temperaments just like you would find in a purebred dog.
 

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What organizations are close to recognizing them? Can you point us in the direction of a parent club with a breed standard and regulations for breeding?
 

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I am not a breeder of Carlin Pinschers but I have been told multiple times that the AKC is getting close to recognizing them. I do not know everything on this breed. I do know that the people who breed these dogs work closely together and most know all of the breeders that are seriously trying to establish a new breed. These people are the ones who have gotten together and decided what things they wanted to keep in the dogs and what they wanted to develop. Like I said I do not know everything about these dogs, I was just trying to give some insight on what these people are doing. Also the breeder I know sells her puppies for a small amount and barely breaks even. I agree that some people are trying to breed these dogs just to make some money but I also know of people devoted to making this a real breed and work very hard at it.
 

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There is no parent club yet. I know they can be registered with the UABR but I don't know much about that registry I am doing a little research on this.
 

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The Carlin Pinscher is a new and developing dog breed and it is a cross between a Miniature Pinscher and a Pug with some other breeds later mixed in like the Boxer. "Pinscher' in German means 'Terrier' and 'Carlin' is the name used for Pugs in some countries so the name 'Carlin Pinscher' means 'Terrier Pug'. The breed was developed accidently. In 1992, French breeder Isabeau Morgan and Hawaiian breeder Kawika Buenafe left their co-owned champion Red Pinscher with a Black Pug. On their return, they found out the two dogs had bred and the resultant three puppies resembled small Rottweiler. One of these puppies was named Snooz and it became very popular as people wanted more dogs like Snooz. With so much demand for these unplanned dogs, the breeder friends decided to go ahead with producing more puppies like Snooz. It was decided that same dog breeds will be used to produce the new puppies. Female Pugs were used as they are accustomed to having large headed dogs. Isabeau Morgan, Kawiki Buenafe, Grant Milionta, and others are now working with these dogs to establish a line of Carlin Pinschers which can be applied to the major Kennel Clubs. This small dog has height between 11 to 13 inches and weighs between 12-14 lbs. Similar in appearance to a Rottweiler, the dog has short muzzle and doomed skull with Pug like thick legs and strong body. This breed is still in the process of developing and it will be applied for registration after development is complete.

I found this doing a quick google search.

http://www.greatdogsite.com/breeds/details/Carlin_Pinscher/
http://www.americancanineregistry.com/pages/registration
http://www.pethealthandcare.com/dog-breed/carlin-pinscher.html
http://www.petyourdog.com/breed/Carlin_Pinscher This is the site I found this info.
 

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It sounds like they might be doing things better than most 'designer mix' breeders and are, in fact, trying to establish a real breed based on what I read (there's a difference, for instance between Charlin Pinchers and 'Muggins', which are Min-Pin/Pugs, in that Carlin Pinschers have other breeds added to the mix, and are bred consistent and true, instead of just continually crossing two purebreds).

That said - They're reallllly new, and I will be surprised if they have AKC recognition in the next several DECADES. MAS started in 1968. They are just now foundation stock status with the AKC. They've got a long way to go before being recognized as a breed. That doesn't necessarily mean anything bad; new breeds are being established, and will likely always be so. But they're not *close* to recognition by reputable kennel clubs, either.
 

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Thank you, like i previously stated, I do not know much about this as I am not into breeding them but I do recognize that the breeders are trying very hard to make a true recognized breed with them. One breeder I have seen has crossed boxer into her lines. I do not think it is ok for people to let there dogs mate with another of any breed just because they are cute and want to make a buck. They are living breathing beings and deserve to be carefully planned so that they live healthy happy lives. (I have owned many mutts in growing up and love them just as much as the purebreds.) :)
 

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It sounds like they might be doing things better than most 'designer mix' breeders and are, in fact, trying to establish a real breed based on what I read (there's a difference, for instance between Charlin Pinchers and 'Muggins', which are Min-Pin/Pugs, in that Carlin Pinschers have other breeds added to the mix, and are bred consistent and true, instead of just continually crossing two purebreds).

That said - They're reallllly new, and I will be surprised if they have AKC recognition in the next several DECADES. MAS started in 1968. They are just now foundation stock status with the AKC. They've got a long way to go before being recognized as a breed. That doesn't necessarily mean anything bad; new breeds are being established, and will likely always be so. But they're not *close* to recognition by reputable kennel clubs, either.
MAS is in Misc. as of June of last year.

But I have to agree on the rest. No parent club means no AKC recognition, but that is only one requirement. They are not close to AKC recognition, probably not even close to FSS. Everything I have ever read says breed in development not actual breed, two different things there.
 
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