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    Re: Anybody own 2 same sex intact dogs?

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    The more they're bred, the more that drive becomes a stronger behavior. Because instinct, opportunity and expectation kicks in. However, I've also seen dogs of opposite sexes at Dog Shows, under control, because that's how they're trained. They're not jumping off of tables and running after (any) dogs. And if that was their temperament, they would not be welcomed. So it just doesn't happen.

    Exhibitors have brought in in-heat females for conformation judging. It's not preferred, but does happen. The male and female classes are separated of course. But the male dogs (waiting for their class-call) wait obediently at ring-side. In fact exhibitors actually like that extra spark in personality. Because that would make them more alert, energetic, and aware. But I've never seen one "break-away" and jump another dog in mid-aisle. No doubt it's happened somewhere, just not in my 20 years of experience. It's all about training and control. And (obviously) not leaving your dog unsupervised.

    A side note about yards. People should be aware, that any dog can climb (or dig under) any fence, if compelled to do so. I've seen dogs climb 8 foot wooden fences. Unless a dog run is covered, there are never any assurances. Regarding mating or any other circumstance.
    I have known dogs to tie right THROUGH a wire fence or crate.. or crate door. The instinct to reproduce can be extremely strong.......................

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    Re: Anybody own 2 same sex intact dogs?

    Update:

    Both of my bitches are in heat at the same time. It's the first (and quite possibly/hopefully only) cycle for both of them, so they certainly aren't their normal selves but they aren't fighting or dangerous to each other and do not need to be separated.

    Laurel seems irrationally annoyed by Chocolate and there is some rivalry about the new kitten, who Laurel is dry nursing (wtf???? Can dogs induce lactation?[1] Is dog milk bad for kitties? Well, that certainly explains why the kitty is adjusting so well.) even though Chocolate was the more enthusiastic kitty-lover when I walked in the door with the new furbaby.

    I can't afford/don't have access to an ovary sparing spay for either of them, but if I did/could it would be completely doable at this point.

    Laurel is either in estrus (fertile) or close to it and Chocolate just started bleeding last night, but has been kind of PMSy since Laurel started about 9-10 days ago. They aren't littermates, but Chocolate does have littermate syndrome and they are very tightly bonded.

    I've been less-than-perfect about staying away from public places during proestrus, but either the Vick's Vap-o-Rub under the tail trick did the job or there just aren't any intact stray male dogs in my area. There are plenty of intact bitches and I'm used to hearing, "She's in heat! Not a good time." on the trail so it wasn't any big deal to hear it coming out of my own mouth when we encountered a friendly neutered male dog.

    Neither the neutered male or his owner even cared. He wagged his tail and acted just like any other friendly dog any other time.

    Of course my mixed breed bitches will have traditional (as opposed to pediatric) spays, but I think a lot of the horror stories on the internet are somewhat hyperbolic to make sure that less responsible dog owners don't think they can just save money/time/trouble by neglecting to spay or otherwise manage their bitches' reproductive systems. JMHO, of course, since I'm still relatively new to dogs.

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    Re: Anybody own 2 same sex intact dogs?

    Quote Originally Posted by laurelsmom View Post
    I think a lot of the horror stories on the internet are somewhat hyperbolic to make sure that less responsible dog owners don't think they can just save money/time/trouble by neglecting to spay or otherwise manage their bitches' reproductive systems. JMHO, of course, since I'm still relatively new to dogs.
    It's worth noting that your dogs are also puppies and small. There can be a huge difference between managing, say, a 70 lb dog versus 10 lb dog. I had a rescue chow mix (rest his soul, great dog, but a real handful) that once broke a window so he could go roaming...and he WAS neutered, albeit late in life. My mom's GSD stud, who was otherwise gentle as a lamb, chewed through a garage door to chase a bitch. Dogs with a predilection for dog-aggression also tend to have that instinct kick in only once full grown, so young bitches getting along isn't a guarantee of future harmony.

    If you'd ever dealt with a case of pyometra I don't think you'd call people's concerns about it hyperbolic.

    The large majority intact dogs are totally manageable, but one has to be aware of and prepared for the possible added challenges if they're to do so effectively.
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    Re: Anybody own 2 same sex intact dogs?

    my 3 bitches got along just fine. Each reaching maturity before the next pup was brought in.. and they fit well together.. Capella was top, by trust not by force, Honey just a strong individual happy to be Capella's side kick.. Faye also again strong ferice individual she was both Honey's and Capella's puppy for them bringing her up together.. Little J came in as a 2.5 year old and they took her in to care for her.. At some point J settled confidently into the house hold and wanted Capella's spot.. She tried to go after Capella

    Most interesting thing I have seen in a group.. NO body wanted to fight J... So When J went after Capella, Honey and Faye blocked J from making contact. J not want to fight Honey or faye.. So J try to go around them and Honey and Faye kept body blocking J from reaching Capella.. Capella was standing calmly right behind Honey and Faye letting it all play out.. I stepped in and took J out of the room and put the baby gate up for not to return. That is how I handle dog not behaving properly in a group.. They get out casted from all of us. and it was what worked for us..

    the whole multiple female thing and Heat... Bitches can be very passive.. they try to come into heat first, and they also can distress and knock other bitches from coming into heat... I call it Bitch wars.. Takes two dogs to fight.... you will be amazed to watch one dog trying to start a fight and the other dog not buying into it and the dog can't get to the next level with the dog not wanting to fight back.... I miss my huge group of 14... they were what made it work..

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    Re: Anybody own 2 same sex intact dogs?

    Laurel's Laprascopy (sp?) appointment is almost finalized, so this cycle will be the extent of my very brief adult experience with two intact bitches. We had no horrible issues with our Sheltie bitch pack when I was growing up in the 1970s. Mom is still alive and she still has the survivor of her final pair of Sheltie bitches, who, like all of our bitches, had a traditional (as opposed to pediatric) spay. I'm glad we both have vets who are experienced with traditional spays and intact bitches.

    When, how, or whether to spay a bitch is a very personal decision and also an extremely controversial topic which I don't particularly enjoy debating on the internet. I hope my input helps Petsrkids and anyone else who might be thinking ahead and researching other peoples' experiences.

    Chocolate is getting an ovariohysterectomy because money exists. I'll take my holistic vet's advice about whether two major abdominal surgeries a week apart is insane or just unusually challenging. My furkids are my life, so I can break a few rules as a silver lining to the cloud of finding myself in my senior years without career, husband, or not-fur kids.
    Yes, they're all mine, yes, I know what causes this, and if you think my hands are full, you should see my heart:

    Laurel the Wonder Dog, born on or about 9/1/18: micro-mutt, li'l yaller dawg, or "All-American".
    Chocolate (Blue Skies O' The Mountains), born 10/4/18: cute little mutt with anxiety issues and talent in Obedience class
    Dark Skies O' The Mountains, C.D., Shetland Sheepdog, crossed the Rainbow Bridge on or about 1986ish
    and the new furbaby, Willow the #AdventureKitty, 7/?/19

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