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    How many classes is too many?

    Is there a down side to multiple training classes a week?

    The schedule for my local kennel club's training classes for the new year came up today and I excitedly checked it out to see what we'll be able to work in. Well, I'd love to take Beggining obedience, Intro to Agility, and Beginning Conformation.

    Would you see any issue taking a dog to 3 classes a week? (would be monday, tuesday, wednesday)

    These would be starting RIGHT after the new year. First class on the 3rd.

    Also, I got to thinking while looking at their schedule- would there be anything wrong with putting a puppy in multiple puppy classes at the same club throughout the week for added socialization? Do you think that'd overwhelm them?

    Thanks for any advice.

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    Re: How many classes is too many?

    I'm curious to hear the response to this too, because I want to do Agility 2 and Obedience 2 at the same time with my pup.

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    Re: How many classes is too many?

    Quote Originally Posted by DJEtzel View Post
    Is there a down side to multiple training classes a week?
    Ya, ... potential poverty ! lol

    Seriously though, as long as the dog is young and healthy, has good stamina, and responds favourably to a barrage of new information ... I don't see a problem with it. Most dog training / practising is usually done on a daily basis anyway. Just be cautious of both dog and handler burnout, and be prepared to pull your dog from whichever classes are too overwhelming.

    OTOH, personally, I like to take my time with training ... and savour the flavour

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    Re: How many classes is too many?

    I agree with petpeeve, as far as "too much training." ... It shouldn't be a problem.

    However, you might want to be alert about confusion due to different training methods, or teaching similar behaviors with different levels of proofing - for example, I imagine that obedience requires more disciplined positions, where agility may have more relaxed precision (unless you compete).

    I suggest that you discuss that you are in 3 groups with the trainers... and you may discover that one of them is experienced with the other disciplines...

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    Re: How many classes is too many?

    I think it may be good idea to try them all see which one "fits" the dog. One or two of the activities is going to appeal her to desires more then the other. it would be more fun and more gratifying for you and the dog to do something equally enjoyed and also good at.
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    Re: How many classes is too many?

    To me, it's really going to depend on the dog. You can burn dogs out, but if you have an active and healthy dog, you should be alright. My only concern would be that they are Mon, tue, wed. Maybe go with two for now, and then if your dog does fine with that, then next cycle of classes you can do 3.

    For the record, i require that people have basic obedience before they take agility with me. So maybe wait till you have the obedience down and then take the agility?

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    Re: How many classes is too many?

    Quote Originally Posted by petpeeve View Post
    Ya, ... potential poverty ! lol

    Seriously though, as long as the dog is young and healthy, has good stamina, and responds favourably to a barrage of new information ... I don't see a problem with it. Most dog training / practising is usually done on a daily basis anyway. Just be cautious of both dog and handler burnout, and be prepared to pull your dog from whichever classes are too overwhelming.

    OTOH, personally, I like to take my time with training ... and savour the flavour
    Haha, the classes aren't too expensive and I have quiet a bit of money saved up...

    I will definitely pull from any classes that aren't working out, but I need to take the conformation class to figure out what I'm doing before puppy comes, and I know Frag will have fun with Agility which is something I've wanted to do forever, and the basic obedience is just to get him into a higher level obedience class.

    Quote Originally Posted by hanksimon View Post
    I agree with petpeeve, as far as "too much training." ... It shouldn't be a problem.

    However, you might want to be alert about confusion due to different training methods, or teaching similar behaviors with different levels of proofing - for example, I imagine that obedience requires more disciplined positions, where agility may have more relaxed precision (unless you compete).

    I suggest that you discuss that you are in 3 groups with the trainers... and you may discover that one of them is experienced with the other disciplines...
    I had thought about that too, it's a very good idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by amavanna View Post
    I think it may be good idea to try them all see which one "fits" the dog. One or two of the activities is going to appeal her to desires more then the other. it would be more fun and more gratifying for you and the dog to do something equally enjoyed and also good at.
    Well we NEED to do basic obedience and conformation, and I know he likes agility already, so that would be the really fun one for him. Basic obedience will probably be pretty boring for him since he already knows it all, and conformation won't be very active, but he'll like the attention.

    Quote Originally Posted by AshleyJade View Post
    To me, it's really going to depend on the dog. You can burn dogs out, but if you have an active and healthy dog, you should be alright. My only concern would be that they are Mon, tue, wed. Maybe go with two for now, and then if your dog does fine with that, then next cycle of classes you can do 3.

    For the record, i require that people have basic obedience before they take agility with me. So maybe wait till you have the obedience down and then take the agility?

    -Ashley
    Yeah, I emailed the trainer about this because I saw that they require a basic obedience class first, and she said we can't take agility, which is unfortunate. She wouldn't even let us come in for an evaluation. All of his obedience is down, he doesn't need the class for the training, just for the pre-req. So I guess Frag won't be doing agility any time soon. Really bummed about that.

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    Re: How many classes is too many?

    [QUOTE=DJEtzel;922952]Haha, the classes aren't too expensive and I have quiet a bit of money saved up...

    I will definitely pull from any classes that aren't working out, but I need to take the conformation class to figure out what I'm doing before puppy comes, and I know Frag will have fun with Agility which is something I've wanted to do forever, and the basic obedience is just to get him into a higher level obedience class.



    I had thought about that too, it's a very good idea.



    Well we NEED to do basic obedience and conformation, and I know he likes agility already, so that would be the really fun one for him. Basic obedience will probably be pretty boring for him since he already knows it all, and conformation won't be very active, but he'll like the attention.



    Yeah, I emailed the trainer about this because I saw that they require a basic obedience class first, and she said we can't take agility, which is unfortunate. She wouldn't even let us come in for an evaluation. All of his obedience is down, he doesn't need the class for the training, just for the pre-req. So I guess Frag won't be doing agility any time soon. Really bummed about that.[/QUOTE]

    That is interesting, is it just a basic obedience class that they want you to do first? The reason I ask is too much obedience without agility foundation skills can be a problem as it takes a lot of training to get the dogs to work away from the handler for agility. It's not uncommon for people to train both at the same time.
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    Re: How many classes is too many?

    Plenty of people I know take class 2 or 3 times a week with the same dog.

    The most I've ever done was three - Rally, Obedience, and Agility. I don't think I'd do more than two in the future, though. Just personal preference.

    If you know Frag will be up for it, than go for it.
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    Re: How many classes is too many?

    Quote Originally Posted by LynnI View Post
    That is interesting, is it just a basic obedience class that they want you to do first? The reason I ask is too much obedience without agility foundation skills can be a problem as it takes a lot of training to get the dogs to work away from the handler for agility. It's not uncommon for people to train both at the same time.
    Yes, the basic obedience class is a pre-requisite to the agility classes to make sure dogs know (from what I understand from the email) a solid stay, recall, and focus. Frag has all of this down easily, so I tried explaining to the trainer. I would feel bad if she let us in though despite that and then he acted a fool with reactivity in the group though. I asked her if perhaps we could start the obedience class for a few weeks, and if he's doing good with no reactivity and good focus if we could start an intro to agility class halfway through the obedience class. Hopefully that will work out.

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    Re: How many classes is too many?

    I've done 3 classes a week with Lloyd before. Sort of with Nash if you also count SAR training. It never seemed to bother them. I do give them breaks though every few sessions we take a session (6 weeks) off from classes.

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    Re: How many classes is too many?

    Well, I ended up pestering the agility trainer enough that she let me bring Frag out to a training night with her and some club members for an evaluation. She had us do a recall from across the course while a dog was running it, had him sit, down, do all of his tricks while a dog was running course, and did some stuff while he wasn't running just to see if Frag could still pay attention while other things were going on and during calm moments. He was being loud and pulling a bit, but did everything perfectly. She also had me pull out the clicker to see if he'd go into work mode since they used clickers in the class a lot, too, and he did. Even with the dog running the course, Frag layed there happily and calmly/quietly for c/ts. So, we will be getting into an agility class. YAY!

    Quote Originally Posted by melgrj7 View Post
    I've done 3 classes a week with Lloyd before. Sort of with Nash if you also count SAR training. It never seemed to bother them. I do give them breaks though every few sessions we take a session (6 weeks) off from classes.
    Ah, that's a good idea so that they aren't going going going all the time. Thanks for your input!

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    Re: How many classes is too many?

    I did this... ONCE. Never again. I had beginning agility one night. Obedience 2 another night and then Rally on Saturdays.

    Everyone taught a different program and scolded me for doing my own program. The Rally class excluded any sort of correction and I lived thru it but I will tell you that I will NEVER take a rally class again or compete in it (hate it completely from that class and my experience with it.. just plain hate it). The agility people were concerned more about drive than obedience and then had a fit if your dog did not do something they way they thought you should. The Obedience 2 calss was completely different from the other two.

    For instance: I had been working on my dog paying attention and and staying focused in Obedience. We had it down pretty well and I was randomly reinforcing it. I had a nice heel and things wer progressing. In the Rally class she would be focused on me and the instructor would yell at me to "Click and reward that!! her attention is beautiful!! You should be FEEDING THAT!" I told her we were BEYOND clicking and feeding it all the time and she nearly went apoplectic on me. Agility was similar. Then I got to Obedience and they were telling me I reinforced it too much! GAAAHHHHH.... By the end of that session I was ready to be committed...

    ..and people wonder why I like to train alone.

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