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    Doesn't quite come...

    My male australian shepherd does something that I am not sure how to fix. When I take both dogs out for their runs and it time to go I call them over. The female come over and I leash her. The male will come over but stop about two feet away. I guess it is his way of saying he is not ready? Then when I walk towards him he will step away a few feet.

    Having your dog come is a basic command which Tyler normally follows except for these moments. Any suggestions? Thank you.
    Tracey and her two aussies: Ty and Tyler

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    Re: Doesn't quite come...

    Stop walking towards him, for one thing.

    I would teach this dog, at your home, to come up to you, and allow you to take hold of the collar in exchange for a food reward. Do this on a regular basis. Give it a name. Then use this when you are about to leash him outdoors.

    Don't forget the reward.

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    Re: Doesn't quite come...

    I was watching some videos on speeches by Ian Dunbar, and although I have not read his books or know a lot about him I gathered this much: why would a dog want to come to you if every time he does he has to go home and not get to be free? If you think about it in a dogs perspective he has a good reason for not coming! He wants to play. Ian Dunbar just proposed questions, he didn't actually give advice on what you were supposed to do, which confused me. Maybe it was just in the 4-5 videos that I watched.

    I bring the clicker and treats every time so we can work on training. I always make him come when he is doing something interesting so if a situation occurs and he HAS to come, then he will.

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    Re: Doesn't quite come...

    Quote Originally Posted by nneessaa View Post
    I was watching some videos on speeches by Ian Dunbar, and although I have not read his books or know a lot about him I gathered this much: why would a dog want to come to you if every time he does he has to go home and not get to be free? If you think about it in a dogs perspective he has a good reason for not coming! He wants to play. Ian Dunbar just proposed questions, he didn't actually give advice on what you were supposed to do, which confused me. Maybe it was just in the 4-5 videos that I watched.

    The suggestion seems hidden in the question - at least an idea popped in my head when presented with that question:

    Train him in recall at times when he DOESN'T have to go in. I.E. Send him out - let him do stuff, then call him. When he gets to you, praise, treat, send him back out to do stuff (or play a game with him, whatever make his day fun outside). Repeat.

    Yes, eventually you'll have to end, but by building up a "strong probability" that his fun can continue after coming to you, perhaps it won't be "AW MAN!" but instead "oh maybe it's the 'come and go game!'

    I would probably add in what Red said too. Call him, praise/reward/clip on leash/praise/reward/unclip leash/have fun/repeat for a few times and end after rewarding when clipping on the leash the last time.
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    Re: Doesn't quite come...

    Great suggestions. Thank you!!!!!
    Tracey and her two aussies: Ty and Tyler

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    Re: Doesn't quite come...

    Great advice guys. That is exactly right. If the ONLY time you call him it means he's going home (which may seem like a negative to him) that doesn't reinforce the recall at all. I always recommend people call their pups from the fun, reward them and then let them go back to the fun..that way they get a double reward and don't see the recall as a bad thing at all.
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    Re: Doesn't quite come...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cracker View Post
    Great advice guys. That is exactly right. If the ONLY time you call him it means he's going home (which may seem like a negative to him) that doesn't reinforce the recall at all. I always recommend people call their pups from the fun, reward them and then let them go back to the fun..that way they get a double reward and don't see the recall as a bad thing at all.
    Would that be considered the premack? I did this with Auz when he was in a playgroup of dogs...call him out, get a food reward, then tell him "GO!" and he got to go back to playing. It worked.
    I like how Victoria Stillwell loads a whistle (like a clicker) with food, and she can use the whistle to call dogs off from a great distance away. It might not always be practical (I don't usually wear a whistle around my neck), but it might be something for the OP to start with.

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