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    I just brought home this dog from the pound 3 days ago. Yes I have been keeping her on the leash when we were walking around the house or yard because I don't want her to tear the stitches from recently undergoing the spay surgery. Not sure if this means that she believes to be my dog but she was chewing on a rawhide underneath my chair when my 1 and half month old son did something to make her bark. Neither my wife or I saw what he did but I instantly grabbed her by the face and pulled her away. About 10 minutes later she laying down by the bed on the floor my son trips over her and she turns barks and does a little snip. Didn't bite at all but made me VERY upset, i put her on the back to show submission. The snip made it seem like she thought she was above my son in the hierarchy of this family. Please give me some advice, I dont know if I should call it quits and take her back or if I should train her to understand she is above no one and how I should go about this. PLEASE HELP ME!

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    dogs and kids can be a tough thing to work through, give your new dog time to get acquainted with the child under adult supervision (which sounds like what you're doing). Have you considered putting your son in a play pen and just letting the dog watch? To get use to the sight and sound of him.

    As far as establishing rank, I personally think you're going to far by grabbing the dogs face and alpha rolling her. Those are really extreme measures that have a large likelihood of backfiring on you. An alternative would be to do your usual obedience training with her using positive reinforcement. Teach her to sit, stay, leave it, down ect... And she'll understand that you are the one giving the orders, and she's taking them. Get your whole family in on it, even your son might be able to tell her to sit. If that doesn't work, then consult a dog behaviorist for the next step. But I think if you work with her on basic commands, and show her what her place is (not by physically hurting/restraining her) but by power of authority she'll be a lot calmer around your son and the rest of your family. Good luck!

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    Why would you want you 1.5 month old son around a dog you have had 3 days. The dog is laying down and son trips over her. This is not a submission problem, it's a common sense problem. Supervision of baby so that tripping over new dog is not allowed. This is not a baby or dog problem.

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    The dog is new and recovering from surgery. Allow her to recuperate in peace. She doesn't know any of you from a hole in the ground, so she cannot be expected to trust.

    I'm not as 100% against the Alpha Roll maneuver as some others here, but I can't think of a less appropriate situation in which to employ it. You could be well along the way to teaching the dog that she must NEVER allow the baby to get anywhere near her.

    Your job is to protect the dog and the child from each other. That doesn't mean the dog is the kid's equal, but if the dog doesn't believe you will protect her, she will protect herself. You need to take that responsibility off her back.

    Separate the two--except under close supervision--and let the pooch heal in peace.

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    Did you mean 1.5 YEAR old son? Just not sure how a 6 week old baby is tripping over a dog..


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    Children of that age definately should not be allowed to socialize freely with a new dog in the home that trusts and knows NONE of you, let alone to also be recovering from surgery on top of it. My tolerences wold be zero aslo. You need to have her in a room with a baby gate when you give her high value items such as a rawhide or chew bone so that she isn't made to feel like she has to protect her "resource" Once you build the trust and establish yourself as a firm but fair leader (about a month or so) then you can offer to let her chew a treat out in the general populated areas of the house but you MUST keep the baby away from her while she is enjoying a treat. Imagine some one offering you a plate of food, then letting their kid come up and put thier hands all in it or take it away or mess with it constantly. It would start to piss you off after a bit. Now imagine asking a total stranger to be well mannered in the same situation... it's not a fair situation and the dog is always gonna lose in that exchange.

    Use common sense, you adopted an older dog not a puppy. This dog has issues and baggage she needs to work out in her own head to figure out how to be a productive member of your family and she isn't going to do it in 3 days. Enroll in a basic obedience program at petsmart or similar just to build a good working relationship with your dog, and for the socializing benifits of group classes. This will be a great way to start off the leader/follower relationship and start to build a trusting working relationship.

    PS... Alpha rolls went out with the 70's and are not a recommended practice for this application as it could lead the dog to build hostility towards your child... "wow every time I look at the little 2 footed thing the big 2 footed thing rolls me on my back and yells at me"... not fair and WAY too harsh a correction for such a new relationship. Next time take the rawhide away, bring the dog into another room and baby gate or crate her for 15-20 minutes for a time out then start all over like it never happened.

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    Either way MM's reply is right on the button. I have no idea how the son is going to tell her to sit as a lot of adults have trouble telling their dogs to sit. (no trouble telling, just trouble with the sitting)

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    Sorry WVasko. I'll try to refrain from being logical in the future

    and the son isn't the one telling her to sit, the parent should be controling her like that until the kid CAN tell her himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marsh Muppet View Post
    The dog is new and recovering from surgery. Allow her to recuperate in peace. She doesn't know any of you from a hole in the ground, so she cannot be expected to trust.

    I'm not as 100% against the Alpha Roll maneuver as some others here, but I can't think of a less appropriate situation in which to employ it. You could be well along the way to teaching the dog that she must NEVER allow the baby to get anywhere near her.

    Your job is to protect the dog and the child from each other. That doesn't mean the dog is the kid's equal, but if the dog doesn't believe you will protect her, she will protect herself. You need to take that responsibility off her back.

    Separate the two--except under close supervision--and let the pooch heal in peace.
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