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    Re: Are we replacing the word "no" with the "leave it" command?

    I think that's an interesting observation, and probably true, but I also think that it goes a bit beyond just substituting "leave it" for "no". I think, in some circles at least, people/trainers are actually taking the time to train "leave it" to mean something specific (like turn away from the thing you're interested in and towards me, give me eye contact, etc.), but I think they are doing it in a more positive way than people previously trained "No". It would be entirely possible to use the word "no" in place of "leave it" and train the same thing positively, but I feel like using "No" is often more emotionally charged.

    I am in the process of training "leave it" now. I'm training it distinctly from Ida's name similar to having an emergency recall cue (and also because I use Ida's name in all kinds of ways that don't mean "I need you to look at me").

    I also say "nope" when we're on an offleash walk and one of my dogs is inspecting a trail/path that I don't want them to pursue, usually because it goes down a steep slope that I don't want to have to rescue them from. Maybe it's functioning as an interrupter, but they're way faster to move along when I say "nope" than when I say their names or anything else. It's also the only context in which I use "nope".
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    Re: Are we replacing the word "no" with the "leave it" command?

    I finally sat down at the home computer to look at the videos and all I see are big blank spaces in the posts Canyx. I am disappointed. I wanted to watch them. I am in Google Chrome.. so I do not know why they do not show. I checked my forum settings (profile general settings) and I am supposed to be able to see attachments and so forth.

    I thought it was some fire wall setting at work.

    I am sorry I did not look last night but I have an involvement with horses (after the day job) and was dealing with a serious situation (Equine health) that ended poorly and simply never got near the computer.

    Either way, I cannot see any videos and that is disappointing.
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    Re: Are we replacing the word "no" with the "leave it" command?

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    Re: Are we replacing the word "no" with the "leave it" command?

    Very nice. THANK YOU!

    Here is a photo of our bike trail. It is very wooded and brushy on both sides NO fences unless it is near a very steep drop off or bridge. When I say dogs on the trail, I mean immediately proximate as in the same space and on the trail (and OFTEN small dogs OFF LEASH). Stuff (wildlife, cats, timber rattlers.. ) come out of the brush either side and cross the bike path like 10-30 feet (sometimes less) right in front of us! No warning!! Talk about a test of "Pfuie!"

    Part of the path has rural residences next to it.. and there is NO FENCE and sometimes they have dogs that rush out.. and can actually contact your dog. As can wildlife...

    For the AD we will all be out there in a line, go to a turn around and come back.. so some will be going south and others pass going north.
    FWIW my dog absolutely goes as nicely next to the bike as yours but I have him on a pinch and a non bungee leash. I cannot use a harness for the AD. He will be on a Fursaver (rules).

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    Re: Are we replacing the word "no" with the "leave it" command?

    When I read about dogs and cycling I just can't keep my fingers off of the keyboard. Here's a youtube of, Doc, my 65# Dachshund mix and I doing our thing.



    You may notice him really throwing the coal to it as he merges onto the main path. That's all him, I'm just hanging on. I run a friendly beep beep horn and a more aggressive I'm serious horn to make our presence known. However, nothing much works when other folks are walking down the middle of the path with headphones on. He has this behavior of touching their hand with his wet nose as he passes. Can be a bit of a surprise to the headphone users. I've had nothing but good friendly interactions with other path users. It's usually something like "What kind of dog is that?" .

    Looking carefully, you can see both brake levers have been moved to the left handlebar. I'm 250 lbs and that's a mountain bike. I don't pedal expect for a couple of turns to get started. Using a garmin cycling computer, on a cool day his best average for 4.5 miles is 17.8 MPH. His current top speed on level ground with no wind is 24.2 MPH.

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    Re: Are we replacing the word "no" with the "leave it" command?

    How did you toughen his paws for this work?
    Please take a look at my thread training for the AusdauerprÜfung. I would love to hear what you have to say. It looks like your dog is working on a cinder or gravel path?

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    Re: Are we replacing the word "no" with the "leave it" command?

    It's an asphalt path. We started with short distances with plenty of rest days between runs. I think the first day we went 1/4 of a mile. I also watch him closely for any signs of distress. Much of this path is next to well kept grass, when we started I would give him the opportunity to run in the grass which he never wanted to do. We live in South Louisiana so heat is also an issue. In the hot months, I only run him in the early morning before the asphalt has time to heat up. I tried evenings but the asphalt doesn't cool down soon enough. He's under a Vet's care that is fully aware of this activity, in the beginning we'd go see her every two months. He's on a higher protein diet per the Vet to support these workouts. I've got to give our Vet a lot of credit, she did quite a bit of research on athletic dogs and their health when we started this.

    Another issue I worried about was that I was teaching him to pull and would ruin him for leash walking. It was not an issue at all, he's a complete gentleman loose leash walking and a regular visitor at our local Home Depot store. The credit here goes to an awesome CPDT-KA Trainer I met.

    Doc was a failed adoption dog and on his way back for the 2nd time when I met him. He's now a AKC Good Citizen, Avid Nose Work participant, and Joring Champion of the Chappapella Park path

    Oh one more thing, he's now been doing this for 1.5 years. He's shockingly strong, punches way above his weight. This was called to my attention by our Vet, she told me with Doc you don't do things to him. You only do things with him.

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    Re: Are we replacing the word "no" with the "leave it" command?

    I read the other thread and it appears you are well aware of how dangerous this is! I've ridden bikes for about 45 years including clocking 6400 miles in 2017 on my road bike. With all that said, if Doc decides to chase something odds are I'm going down and it's going to be bad. Our path is tree lined on the outside and mostly grass on the other leading to soccer fields. I keep Doc on the grass side and try to remind myself it's okay to just crash into the grass. I would like to think I could just let go but the reality of a bike wreck is it just happens to fast and you can get past the point of no return instantly.

    I started singing to Doc when his attention drifted, it worked and I discovered the added benefit of the faster the beat of the song the harder he works. Not much of a safety tool but it's all I got.

    At the end of 4.5 miles I'm beat physically and mentally. I think my right arm is now 2" longer than my left

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    Re: Are we replacing the word "no" with the "leave it" command?

    No is used too generally. No dont sniff that. No dont eat that, No dont disobey me, No dont jump up, No no no no no. Oftentimes people use the word no too much for too many situations that is confusing and becomes meaningless for the dog. Using leave it helps people understand that leave it means well.. leave it. You cant use leave it if your dog simply breaks a stay to stretch like people do with no. You cant use leave it to stop a dog from jumping. Smaller applications for the command leave it than no. Also people tend to just say no. They dont teach it like you do with leave it. In the end the word is meaningless and the information behind it is gold. You can use no if you teach what it means and use it for a specific purpose. You can use spaghetti as the command for leave it if you wanted lol. Mostly it reminds the humans to keep things simpler for the dog. Thats why off is get off the couch/bed/counter/human. Leave it is leave that squirrel alone leave that toy leave that treat. Uh uh! is what I use to say thats not what I want. Some people will say negative or try again etc. People use no for all these applications! I separate it to 3 different commands. It makes it easier for the dog. The other reason is no tends to carry alot of emotion.. yelling screaming. Dog doesnt learn that way but saying uh uh or leave it isnt as negative. At the end of the day yelling no at your dog does nothing but being calm and teaching what you want associating it with a command works much better.

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