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    Puggle training- lost cause?

    Hey everyone. My girlfriend has a puggle and it is probably the worst behaving dog i've ever seen. it doesnt help that it is spoiled to a fault, but it acts so bad that I feel like a need to do something.

    It barks without restraint at anything and everything. If a stranger comes to the house, he will stand there and bark non-stop until the person leaves. It really is that bad.

    It constantly gets into the garbage and drags toilet paper, underwear, and tampons into the living room and chews them all up. When it wants something, it just barks and always gets it.

    It is really overweight to the point where it needs specialdiet food, but always gets a bit of whatever the humans are eating.

    It will growl and bite at whoever it wants for no apprent reason.

    It sleeps in a bed and gets priority over guests who need to sleep on the floor.

    I've never seen it punished or even yelled at. The attention it gets is so massive. They wont even go on vacation because they are afraid of not seeing it.

    It has next tono self control and will randomly run away if it isnt watched. It does not obey to any sort of command at all.

    They tried taking it to a dog school but as it turned out it was just a money scam and an excuse for them to spoil it further and take pictures when it "graduated."

    Needless to say, I can't stand this dog's behavior and while its not my place to train it, im at the house enough where I want to do some subtle things to try and make it behave. or is it too late because it is spoiled past the point where any training would work?

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    Re: Puggle training- lost cause?

    You can do some checking into reputable trainers in your area and take more classes, or even do some private sessions, or even a board and train. The problem is your girlfriend needs to want to change HER behavior towards the dog and would want to put the work into the dog. Sounds like the dog is lacking a leader and so has been forced to take on the leadership role...not good. Have you talked to your girlfriend about the issues your seeing? You might have to find a new girlfriend....kidding, its tough when its not your dog, would your girlfriend get upset if she saw you working and correcting the dog? I suggest talking your girlfriend into finding a good trainer. What region do you live in?

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    It's actually a really touchy subject with her. She knows that I just plain don't like the dog so whenever I bring it up she gets very very defensive. It all started when they made a friend sleep on the floor so the dog could have the bed because "it's his house." I spoke out about how ridiculous that was and got shot down by the whole family.

    What did you mean about the whole "leader" thing? I guess I can see your point, but the dog mainly lacks any sort of discipline. All it has to do is bark and it can get whatever it wants. There's no limits to where it can go. It manages to climb up on tables and get anywhere in the house without punishment.

    My girlfriend's parents are the providers for the dog, and they are even more in love with it than she is. I think that the barking is the biggest problem, because its inerfering with their ability to ever have company. A girl who was deathly afraid of dogs was over once, but they refused to remove the barking dog fro the room, which drove the scard girl into tears and shock. I realize that dogs like that bark, but something needs to be done to cut it down at least a little bit.

    This might sound extreme but the dog is so bad and it bothers me so much that your comment about finding a new girlfriend is something ive actually considered.

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    Yikes...that is bad. And i totally understand the situation you are in, ive been there(not to that extent though. One but not the only reason i ended a relationship. Your girlfrends dog is in charge of the house and is the leader of the pack (the pack meaning whoever lives in the house) which is horrible for not only the people, but the dog as well. Not a whole lot you can do besided getting your girlfriend to come to her senses. With the barking, you could carry a small water squirt bottle and shoot him in the face everytime he barks, though from the sounds of it, im sure your girlfriend would go off on you. This is a tough one. Good luck.

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    Oh dear.

    There is no solution other than to change your girlfriend's (and her family's) mind. Consistency is key to dog training. If the dog is disciplined only when you are there, and not when you aren't, nothing is going to get accomplished except a great deal of confusion in the dog.

    There's nothing YOU can do, unless you take the dog to live with you and you alone, except to try and persuade them to start treating the dog differently.

    Barking usually becomes a problem when a dog learns that he can use it to get things. For example, the dog wants someone to leave the room. He barks until the person can't stand it anymore and leaves. Lesson learned: barking gets people to leave when I want them to. Etc. Basically, your girlfriend's family has been rewarding him by barking by showing him that it gives him leverage. Believe me, as a beagle owner, I know all about barking. The solution is:

    a) teach the dog "quiet" (which, again, isn't possible unless your girlfriend and her parents get motivated to do consistent training)

    b) everyone ignores the barking as if it doesn't bother them at all. When my first beagle was a pup she used to bark like mad when I got the leash out before walk time. I would leash her to the gate and stand there next to her telling her "you can bark yourself hoarse, it doesn't bother me." Only when she was quiet did I unhook the leash and start the walk.

    As I've said throughout my post, all of these will require the family's cooperation, so try to start with getting that. No point in YOU being the only one who gives corrections when the rest of the household lets him get away with anything.
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    I don't want to come accross as a dog hater either. I have a Siberian Husky that I adore very much. But shes an angel who I've heard bark maybe three times since I got her.

    But this dog is too much for me, and although it isnt smart enough to realize that its poop isnt food, it certainly knows that it has authority in the house. My gf went to the bathroom once and I was alone with the dog. It randomly began growling at me and I went to pet it and it nipped at my hand. I reacted right away by smacking its nose, and after looking at me in disbelief, it took off for the bathroom and desperately began scratching at the door. I got in big trouble for that one.

    It's a big problem for the family too because outside of their introverted little world, they arent going to welcome anyone into their house with that "guard" dog and their attitude towards it. I wish that there was a subtle way I could make it behave, but it doesn't seem to be very likely. I've always been an animal lover, so my hatered towards this dog is upsetting to say the least.

    Quote Originally Posted by rosemaryninja View Post
    Oh dear.

    There is no solution other than to change your girlfriend's (and her family's) mind. Consistency is key to dog training. If the dog is disciplined only when you are there, and not when you aren't, nothing is going to get accomplished except a great deal of confusion in the dog.

    There's nothing YOU can do, unless you take the dog to live with you and you alone, except to try and persuade them to start treating the dog differently.

    Barking usually becomes a problem when a dog learns that he can use it to get things. For example, the dog wants someone to leave the room. He barks until the person can't stand it anymore and leaves. Lesson learned: barking gets people to leave when I want them to. Etc. Basically, your girlfriend's family has been rewarding him by barking by showing him that it gives him leverage. Believe me, as a beagle owner, I know all about barking. The solution is:

    a) teach the dog "quiet" (which, again, isn't possible unless your girlfriend and her parents get motivated to do consistent training)

    b) everyone ignores the barking as if it doesn't bother them at all. When my first beagle was a pup she used to bark like mad when I got the leash out before walk time. I would leash her to the gate and stand there next to her telling her "you can bark yourself hoarse, it doesn't bother me." Only when she was quiet did I unhook the leash and start the walk.

    As I've said throughout my post, all of these will require the family's cooperation, so try to start with getting that. No point in YOU being the only one who gives corrections when the rest of the household lets him get away with anything.
    Good points, and I mostly agree. When my girlfriend and I try to get some alone time in her room, a scratch at the door followed by a bark i all it takes to get the dog to join us.

    One thing I disagree with is that the dog barks to get someone to leave the room. With what I've seen from this dog, if there's a newcomer in the house it will chase them around and bark, though keeping some distance. When I first started going over there the dog would follow me upstairs and around the house with his non-stop barking. The parents only solution was for me to give him treats, which resulted in him grabbing the treat, eating it, and continuing his barking.

    I've had a lot of friends who pampered their pets way too much, but nothing even comes close to this. I usually tolerate this behavior fairly well, but its insanity to me that this dog is on such a high horse.
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    Re: Puggle training- lost cause?

    I'd say that it's not YOUR dog to train (as you also pointed out).

    And I feel like I have to say - there are no bad dogs, only owners who create bad dogs. The *ONLY* person who has any blame or responsibility for how this dog behaves is your GF. I imagine it showed aggression toward you b/c it can sense your anger and resentment towards it.

    Ultimately, if it's *that* much of a bother for you, just don't go over to your girlfriends house so you don't have to be around the dog. Be thankful that this isn't your human child that she and her family have turned into a monstrous brat (just something to think about).
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    Re: Puggle training- lost cause?

    We've talked on this forum about what it means to pamper and spoil a dog.

    To most of us, it means giving the dog time and attention and the best food and vet care we can afford. It doesn't mean letting the dog destroy your home and your relationships.

    I think dogs actually prefer to have someone else in charge. It makes them feel safe. It gives them some structure and direction. But somebody (hint: the owner) needs to step up to the plate to make that happen.

    This should be called: GF Training - Lost Cause?

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    Re: Puggle training- lost cause?

    Quote Originally Posted by lovemygreys View Post
    I'd say that it's not YOUR dog to train (as you also pointed out).
    Be thankful that this isn't your human child that she and her family have turned into a monstrous brat (just something to think about).

    You said what I was thinking.
    If she is not in step with you about the dog, what will it be down the road.
    If she cant train the dog, what are the kids going to be like if one was to take the big step.

    Sorry for being so blunt, but there is a lot more involved than just the dog.

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    Re: Puggle training- lost cause?

    I'll be honest, I think the dog sounds bratty, but we ARE only hearing one side of the story here. It's also NOT your dog. And many people with hroribly behaved dogs have beautifully-behaved children. (And vice versa. ;P)

    It really sounds like just a bad personality mismatch about how dogs shoudl behave and be handled and how problems should be dealt with. If you can't sit down like adults and discuss this problem, what are you going to do when you have a REAL fight?

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    PS: My guests COULD sleep on the sofa (I don't have a guest room) but they ARE sharing with the dog. :P

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