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    Hi, I have an almost 4-month old maltese and I need advice on which is the better way for me to use to potty trained my dog. It is better to paper train indoors or teach dog to potty/pee outside. I live in the northeast so I have Winter (snow) to worry about. I started potty training for a few days and then had to stop because its has been raining hard the last few days. Now my puppy is a confused and has been having accidents all over the place. I want to switch to paper training so he knows where to go indoors. Do you have any tips on paper training ?

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    Re: need advice : paper training or potty training outside

    I would suggest crate training, which is where the dog is crated when he can't be supervised. Also you should train him to go outside so you won't have these accidents.

    But to paper train a dog you confine it to a room and put the crate on one end of the room and then cover the floor with puppy training pads and then day by day start removing the ones closest to the crate to where there is only one pad and he only goes on that one pad.


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    Re: need advice : paper training or potty training outside

    thanks for the tip on paper training.. question about crate training , how often does the dog have to be put in a crate ? can you give me a sample schedule ?

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    Re: need advice : paper training or potty training outside

    With crate training, if you leave to run an errand put him in the crate, if you go upstairs to take a nap or something put him in the crate. Also only get a crate big enough for the dog to stand up, turn around, and lay down. If its so big that he can go to the bathroom in one area and then go to another area and lay down without coming in contact with the pee or poop then its to big.


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    Re: need advice : paper training or potty training outside

    So you'd rather that you come home and find that your dog chewed everything up and happened to chew a electric cord to the computer or something that was connected to a power outlet and got killed because it got shocked to death?


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    Re: need advice : paper training or potty training outside

    It sounds like with the snow and the rain their are going to often be time you will want the pup to stay in to go? If it were me I would do one or the other and if out side he goes anyways! I have one large dog that I have to push out the door but he will go faster then normal but goes.
    If not in a crate where do you keep him now like when you leave?

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    Puppy pads never worked for me. I tried it for about two weeks with absolutely no luck. I'd confine her to the laundry room but she would move the puppy pads out of the way and go to the bathroom on the tile every single time. That's when I turned to crate training. It worked so much better. I was able to potty train her is about a month and a half. She hasn't had an accident inside for almost two months.

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    Crates are great I have had all the rescues that have come through here in them old or young so if not trained no problem they learned fast. I do have to say if people are not going to choose crate and outside puppy pads can work well.

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    Re: need advice : paper training or potty training outside

    Well I'm temporally paper training snoopy because he doesn't know how to walk on a leash and the vet said I had to wait till the 30th for his appointment to get his shots and so far he seems to be doing good. I have part of my room sectioned off and covered with puppy pads, with small area's uncovered and he always goes on the pads, guess I struck some luck. lol
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    Re: need advice : paper training or potty training outside

    I use puppy pads in Henry's crate. This way, if he poos or pees it's not a big deal. I don't expect him to hold it all the time...he's such a little guy. I would suggest using the crate at first...he won't know to go on the pads right away and you may end up with a big mess if you don't crate him.

    Good luck!

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    Re: need advice : paper training or potty training outside

    I wonder how my dog would be if I covered all of the area he is contained in and just let him sleep in that area versus putting him in the crate and hearing him whining all night. lol But I'm gonna try and get up at 2 and 4 in the morning to let him out of the crate and let him go to the bathroom.


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    We are crate training our 4 month old Brussels Griffon. We've tied a bell to the door and every time we take her out to doo her duty we take her paw to ring the bell. When she is done we bring her back in and let her run loose to play. If she doesn't have to doo her deeds we then bring her in and place her in the crate as no reward to play. Keep a close eye on the dog when in the crate so you can rush outside at the first site of a squat. Dogs are tricky because as soon as you turn your head there seems to be a mess in the crate that wasn’t there two seconds ago. We make sure we bring her right back in after the pee session and then back out to take her for walks but this time without ringing the bell. After about a week of ringing the bell she went up and rang the bell all on her own, hallelujah she did #1 and #2. Now once we have her trained on going outside without any worries we’ll work on the pads inside the house for those accidents that can’t be helped. Not quite sure how I’m going to go about the pads yet if doing them at all.

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    Re: need advice : paper training or potty training outside

    My dog will start circling around right before he is going to poop so I rush him to the pad if he isn't on it. lol


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    Re: need advice : paper training or potty training outside

    If you want your dog to go outside only you have to not be afraid of a little water. I don't have the snow as I'm in Florida so I can't speak to that, but we do get the monumental rain storms every day during the summer, so allowing my dog to not go out when its wet isn't an option. Get a slicker and keep it by the door, then literally drag your dog out in the rain when it's time to go. Eventually, he'll get the message. I even did obedience training in it - fyi dogs really don't like to lay down in the wet. You'll have to be willing to get a little (or a lot) wet at first, but the payoff of having a dog who won't go in the house should be well worth it.

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    Re: need advice : paper training or potty training outside

    In the beginning I had to do both b/c she went every hour & at night I had to get some sort of sleep so I could go to work. She had a crate that was 1/2 potty pad, then divider with doorway then bed area with toys. B/c we made such a huge deal when she pottied in the backyard she started to want to hold it to have backyard potty fun with mommy. When I was home NO pads were used, all outside. pads were only used when she was in her crate which was when I was not home & aside from nighttime she was never crated > 4 hrs. She eventually stopped using the pads in her crate and would cry in the middle of the night once so we could have backyard potty fun and I would honor her & take her out for it & she eventually learned to sleep through the night. When she stopped going on them I took them away (about 4 months old).

    I live in Chicago and can have nasty weather too & with a Papillon bad weather can blow them away! When she was tiny and had to be taken in our fenced yard on lease I got wet and cold right along with her & she detested both. Now that she can run on her own in the backyard we have a different approach. If its pouring rain she will only go in it if I put her little rain coat on...so I do and she runs out, does her business as fast as she can and runs right back. In the winter we shoveled a path through our yard so she would not fall thru the snow and out she would run in her little jacket, do her business, maybe play a little and if it was too brutally cold back she came.

    Oh I forgot to say that I thought about paper training, but you need to decide which you want. When I thought about paper training my deterrant was "if I take her to someones house (which happens alot) that person will have to have a pee/poop paper sitting on their floor" and I felt that was socially invasive & it changed my mind very quickly as Lilly goes everywhere with us & there is always a patch of grass!
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    Re: need advice : paper training or potty training outside

    I have potty trained many dogs in my life but none went to potty inside the house. Big dogs, very small dogs and many puppies nobody went potty inside period.

    I did it while I worked too. I live in a climate with hot summers and COLD snowy, icy you name it winters and very rainy springtimes. All types of weather. With a crate.

    If you want the dog to "go" in the house then I guess paper train. But it is confusing for a young pup to be trained to "go" inside then "go" outside.

    The pup should have already had at least one series of shots.

    When I take them out in the middle of the night to potty. I take them out of the crate, go outside, wait for the deed to be done and praise, praise, praise, no playing that time of night, then back to the crate, say "night, night" and back to bed I go. Mine always caught on really quickly that during the night time when everyones quiet and asleep and only night lights are on it was time for them to sleep too no matter if they did go to potty in the middle of the night, no play, just praise. When it wasn't during bedtime hours then they would get some play time and the praise. But they have to learn the routine. Mine always caught onto the "routine". They seemed to watch me and knew when it was night night time, I didn't even have to say it after a while. I have never had this method of "nightime potty training" fail, not once. I guess I was lucky even after so many, many dogs since I was 10 years old and that was 38 years ago.

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    Re: need advice : paper training or potty training outside

    Quote Originally Posted by TheChinClique View Post
    I use puppy pads in Henry's crate. This way, if he poos or pees it's not a big deal. I don't expect him to hold it all the time...he's such a little guy. I would suggest using the crate at first...he won't know to go on the pads right away and you may end up with a big mess if you don't crate him.

    Good luck!
    It's a very bad idea to put pee pads in a crate. The whole point of crate training is to teach the dog NOT to soil where it eats/sleeps. By putting pee pads in the crate, you could successfully destroy this natural instinct.

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    Re: need advice : paper training or potty training outside

    It is a terrible way to toliet train a dog or/and puppy. My brother would paper train his dog, and his dog would just pee & poo inside the house.

    If you take the pup outside every hour take her to the same spot & apply "Go bathroom" when she goes say "Good Girl"

    You have to do this every 1 to 4 hours a day even tho she doesn't have to go. If you catch her going in the house do not punish her that will only make it worse.

    I'd suggest that when you take your puppy outside wait 15-20 minutes she may run around the yard until she figures she has to go. If she doesn't go then, when you bring her back in the house she doesn't get anything else no treats, no play time.

    This has to be a rountine daily for you & the puppy. If she goes in the house well that's your plm b/c you didn't take her out on time!

    Just aside note if she doesn't go then she'll have to go in her crate
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