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    Agility Course Map Analysis

    So I thought it'd be fun to maybe once a week or every few days post an agility course for people to contemplate over.. talk about how they'd run it if it were their dog.

    I'll post a course to start (from one of my favorite judges!)



    I've not actually run this course but I'm thinking front cross between 4 and 5, between 8 and 9, and then a slight back over 14 (not confident in my dog's ability to take the pinwheel at enough distance to get a front in) and a back over 17.

    Of course, because I'm obsessed with back crosses, I'm currently looking it over again and thinking about how I could try to run the whole thing with backs..
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    Re: Agility Course Map Analysis

    Looks like a nice flowing course, I would lead out past 2, FC on the landing side of 4, FC on the landing side of 8. I would look at doing a FC on the take off side of 13, but could possibly do a Rear cross before 14, depending on how it walked. RC before 17.

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    Re: Agility Course Map Analysis

    start on right side
    Slight lead out on #1
    FC at #3
    Strong call after #5 to lead them away from the table
    FC after #9
    FC after #13
    Done

    That is how I'd run for Hawkeye he's still a begginer and isn't very good at anything but the front cross,
    Kechara's could be handled a little different

    Start on right
    lead out to #2
    BC after #3
    BC after #7
    RC after #13
    RC after #16
    Done


    oh and is what you call a "Back Cross" the same thing as what I call a "Blind Cross"? where you cross in front of the dog facing away from them?
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    Re: Agility Course Map Analysis

    That box that says RS isn't a table, Erin, it just means that that's where the ring stewards would be.

    Also, what's "BC" mean? Blind cross? Because I saw you said both "BC" and "RC" (which I'm assuming is rear cross).
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    Re: Agility Course Map Analysis

    ah yes I see now not a table I am blind

    BC=blind cross
    RC=rear cross
    FC=front cross

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    Re: Agility Course Map Analysis

    oh and is what you call a "Back Cross" the same thing as what I call a "Blind Cross"? where you cross in front of the dog facing away from them?
    Nope. My back cross is a rear cross. Blind cross is a blind cross.
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    Re: Agility Course Map Analysis

    here's how I would run it... orange is Libby, blue is me. I drew this before reading all of your comments, but depending on how it looked when I walked it I might consider doing rear crosses instead at 13 and 16. Add me to the list of people who LOVE rear crosses!

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    Re: Agility Course Map Analysis

    Blue is Kim, Green is Web...Pink is me lol
    Granted this could change with the physical course before me but this would be my plan heading into the walk-through, depending on what environmental factors were in play.

    Also a good illustration of how running Kim & Web back to back can be challenging lol

    Agility Course Map Analysis-course-kim.jpgAgility Course Map Analysis-course-web.jpg

    Note: on Kim's the Lead Out is actually a Lead Out Pivot...forgot the P

    Normally I designate Front Cross as FX and Rear Cross as RX...I've never intentionally done a Blind Cross so you won't see that...went with RC and FC to be consistent though.
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    Re: Agility Course Map Analysis

    Hmm, didn't think about doing a Lead Out Pivot! It seems like one of those courses that could go either way when actually set up (like you said, they're never really exactly the same as the map). But that's a good thought to get rid of that front cross..
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    Re: Agility Course Map Analysis

    Well I mean, a LOP is a front cross, or a form of one at least. You're just starting there which allows you to cue a bit earlier (heck, being there waiting is a cue). With Webster, doing a proper LOP would require too much lateral distance for his skill/confidence level, so I'd have to stay closer and then hustle myself over to hit the FX
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    Re: Agility Course Map Analysis

    Yeah, I know, but I'm much more comfortable with lead out pivots than front crosses on course so I regard them as different things
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    Re: Agility Course Map Analysis

    How does everyone study their maps? For example, I never figure out where or what I am going to do from looking at the map. All I work on at that point is the order, i.e. in my head, jump, tunnel, tire, jump, frame etc. Once I can walk the course is when I first study the path of my dog and then what I need to do and my path. I do this because I have seen too many judges makes huge changes in a course to the point where it can look nothing like what is on the map, therefore changing any crosses etc that I plan. I have also seen too many people get confused or into trouble because of those changes.

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    Re: Agility Course Map Analysis

    When I look at the map I first draw the path that the dog needs to take, and then I just sort of get an idea of what I might want to try when I get to walk the course. I never make any decisions until I walk, though. I also watch the dogs before me to get an idea of handling errors that I can avoid making, so what I walk might not even end up being what I walked.
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    Re: Agility Course Map Analysis

    Quote Originally Posted by LynnI View Post
    How does everyone study their maps?
    In a trial-type situation (either real trial or practice), I may glance at the map to get a general feel for the curves of the course...is it looping down and back, winding around, around the outside, etc. On a standard course, what obstacles are present? But really, maybe 50% of the time I don't even look at the map because small changes can make such a huge difference.

    For walking, I usually go out and walk the course once from the dog's perspective first (walking through the jumps, walking up to entrance points and from exit points of contacts/tunnels/weaves) to ID traps, possible off-courses, weird angles, efficient lines, etc. Pick out the key points of the course and figure out where I want to be for those. Then go back and walk the course again as a handler to figure out how I'm getting from point A to B to C without confusing my dog and to see if how I want to handle those key points fit in with the greater flow of the course.
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    Re: Agility Course Map Analysis

    Trials are the only times I see maps, so all of what I say applies only to trial situations..

    Usually I run to get the maps quickly because studying them gives me something to do during the long wait in between runs! I identify areas where Marge can be a little more independent, and also areas where I know I'm going to have to really work to get her going to the right obstacle. But, like you guys, its ultimately walking the course where I make up my mind as to what I'm going to do. Usually my final plan resembles somewhat the plan I first laid out looking at the map, but there are a lot of courses that change drastically from map to real life.
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    Re: Agility Course Map Analysis

    Running Strauss:

    Begin on right side of the jump and move on the inside line

    Rear cross at 4 to pull him into me over jump 5. If I try a front cross, I will be run over, and so it is far better for me to push him over 4 and use the position of my body to pull him in and get him over jump 5.

    Optimally I would call "GET OUT, through!" for a send into the weaves, however, knowing my dog as I do, for now I'd probably have to call him in and circle so he would be on my left for the entry to the weaves (with no practice in over a year, I'm being realistic about what would happen xD).

    Send to 7 with a lateral run to 8 to perform a front cross and pull him into and over jumps 9-1e (I HATE PINWHEELS!). I would likely attempt a front cross at 13 to get myself back on the inside line so I could pull my dog into me with my body position, but what would most likely happen is that I would use a rear cross to get on that inside line while sending him over 14, because chances are I will not beat my dog, and we'll just have a "battle".

    Send to jump 15 and bust my butt to get forward of his line for that dog walk, because he will crash and burn on the approach if I don't swing him out wide enough. I am one to admit that I would rather have him take the off course jump as opposed to eating it on the dogwalk because my timing was crap.

    Front cross at the dog walk, as I know I will get there before he does (this and the teeter are the only contact obstacles where I can "beat" him to a position), send to 17, call in, and send to 18.

    I hope I wasn't too wordy, but I do like to explain why I run this dog the way I do.
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    Re: Agility Course Map Analysis

    Xeph, 16 isn't a Dog Walk, it's a double jump
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    Re: Agility Course Map Analysis

    SWEET! That makes it SO much easier.

    Also, why didn't I notice before this was "just" a jumpers course? Probably not enough sleep...

    In that case, call into 16, rear cross, send over 17, call in to 18!
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    Re: Agility Course Map Analysis

    OK, how's about another course??



    BTW, feel free to post some of your own; Lynn, seeing some AAC courses might be cool!

    I'm thinking dog on left, slight leadout
    FC the A-Frame
    Let the dog pass and enter weaves, cross behind dog, dog on left again
    Push out to 7 and 8
    FC between 8 and 9, dog on right to table
    Lead out at table, dog on left, send out over 15 and then pull to dog walk
    FC dog walk, dog on right for the closing sequence.
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    Re: Agility Course Map Analysis

    Quote Originally Posted by MissMutt View Post

    I'm thinking dog on left, slight leadout
    FC the A-Frame
    Let the dog pass and enter weaves, cross behind dog, dog on left again
    Push out to 7 and 8
    FC between 8 and 9, dog on right to table
    Lead out at table, dog on left, send out over 15 and then pull to dog walk
    FC dog walk, dog on right for the closing sequence.
    I think I would do pretty much what you said, expect for the closing. Since Belle does not have much of a contact performance, for us I would go..
    After the dog walk, send to 17, RC and then finish.

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