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    ALL ABOUT VACCINE ISSUES & VACCINATIONS--Dodds & Schultz 2/10

    Permission granted by Dr. W. Jean Dodds to post and repost this article.

    ALL ABOUT VACCINE ISSUES & VACCINATIONS*
    W. Jean Dodds, DVM 1 and Ronald D. Schultz, PhD 2


    There is little doubt that application of modern vaccine technology has permitted us to protect companion animals effectively against serious infectious diseases. Today, we can question conventional vaccine regimens and adopt effective and safe alternatives primarily because the risk of disease has been significantly reduced by the widespread use of vaccination programs, which convey underlying population or herd immunity.

    For many veterinary practitioners canine vaccination programs have been “practice management tools” rather than medical procedures. Thus, it is not surprising that attempts to change the vaccines and vaccination programs based on scientific information have created significant controversy. A “more is better” philosophy still prevails with regard to pet vaccines.

    Annual vaccination has been and remains the single most important reason why most pet owners bring their pets for an annual or more often “wellness visit.” Another reason for the reluctance to change current vaccination programs is many practitioners really don’t understand the principles of vaccinal immunity. Clearly, the accumulated evidence indicates that vaccination protocols should no longer be considered as a “one size fits all” program.

    Giving annual boosters when they are not necessary has the client paying for a service which is likely to be of little benefit to the pet’s existing level of protection against these infectious diseases. It also increases the risk of adverse reactions from the repeated exposure to foreign substances.

    So, have veterinarians really embraced the national policies on vaccination guidelines from the American Animal Hospital Association, American Veterinary Medical Association and Academy of Feline Practitioners? Does the public trust veterinarians to be up-to-date on these issues or are they unsure? Do they believe veterinarians have a conflict of interest if they seek the income from annual booster vaccinations? Given current media attention to vaccination issues, the public is more aware and worried about vaccine safety.

    Some veterinarians today still tell their clients there is no scientific evidence linking vaccinations with adverse effects and serious illness. This is ignorance, and confuses an impressionable client. On the other hand, vaccine zealots abound with hysteria and misinformation. None of these polarized views is helpful.

    Further, veterinarians are still routinely vaccinating ill dogs and those with chronic diseases or prior adverse vaccine reactions. This is especially problematic for rabies boosters, as many colleagues believe they have no legal alternative, even though the product label states it's intended for healthy animals. For more information, see www.RabiesChallengeFund.org


    Alternatives to Current Vaccine Practices

    1) measuring serum antibody titers;
    2) avoidance of unnecessary vaccines or over vaccinating;
    3) caution in vaccinating sick or febrile individuals; and
    4) tailoring a specific minimal vaccination protocol for dogs of breeds or families known to be at increased risk for adverse reactions.
    5) considerations include starting the vaccination series later, such as at nine or ten weeks of age when the immune system is better able to handle antigenic challenge;
    6) alerting the caregiver to pay particular attention to the puppy’s behavior and overall health after the second or subsequent boosters; and
    7) avoiding revaccination of individuals already experiencing a significant adverse event. Littermates of affected puppies should be closely monitored after receiving additional vaccines in a puppy series, as they too are at higher risk.

    Some Frequently Asked Questions – Some questions are part of the Guidelines for Vaccination of Dogs and Cats compiled by the Vaccine Guidelines Group (VGG) of the World Small Animal Veterinary Association (WSAVA)

    Q. Do dogs competing in agility or other events need more vaccines for protection than other pet dogs?
    A.
    No, although if the event location has an exposure risk for Leptospirosis or Lyme disease , annual vaccination for these diseases should be considered.

    Q. Is there risk of overvaccinating with vaccines not needed for a specific animal?
    A.
    Yes. Vaccines contain material designed to challenge the immune system of the pet, and so can cause adverse reactions. They should not be given needlessly, and should be tailered to the pet’s individual needs.

    Q. Are the initial series of puppy core vaccines immunosuppressive?
    A.
    Yes. This period of immunosuppression from MLV canine distemper and hepatitis vaccines coincides with the time of vaccine-induced viremia, from days 3 to 10 after vaccination.

    Q. Can anesthetized patients be vaccinated?
    A.
    This is not preferred, because a hypersensitivity reaction with vomiting and aspiration could occur and anesthetic agents can be immunomodulating.

    Q. Is it safe to vaccinate pregnant pets?
    A.
    Absolutely not.

    Q. Should pets with immunosuppressive diseases such as cancer or autoimmune diseases, or adverse vaccine reactions/ hypersensitibvity receive booster vaccinations?
    A.
    No. Vaccination with MLV products should be avoided as the vaccine virus may cause disease; vaccination with killed products may aggravate the immune-mediated disease or be ineffective. For rabies boosters that are due, local authorities may accept titers instead or accept a letter from your veterinarian.

    Q. If an animal receives immunosuppressive therapy, how long afterwards can the pet safely be vaccinated?
    A.
    Wait at least 2 weeks.

    Q. Should vaccines be given more often than 2 weeks apart even if a different vaccine is being given?
    A.
    No. The safest and most effective interval is 3-4 weeks apart.

    Q. At what age should the last vaccine dose be given in the puppy series?
    A.
    The last dose of vaccine should be given between 14-16 weeks regardless of the number of doses given prior to this age. Rabies vaccine should preferably be given separately as late as possible under the law (e.g. 16-24 weeks).

    Q. Should the new canine influenza vaccine be given routinely?
    A.
    No. It is intended primarily for pounds and shelters and high density boarding facilities, as nose-to-nose contact and crowding promote viral transmission.

    Q. Can intranasal Bordetella vaccine be given parenterally (injected)?
    A.
    No. The vaccine can cause a severe local reaction and may even kill the pet.

    Q. Will a killed parenteral Bordetella vaccine given intranasally produce immunity?
    A.
    No.

    Q. Are homeopathic nosodes capable of immunizing pets?
    A.
    No. There is no scientific documentation that nosodes protect against infectious diseases of pets. The one parvovirus nosode trial conducted years ago did not protect against challenge.

    Q. Should disinfectant be used at the vaccine injection site?
    A.
    No. Disinfectants could inactivate a MLV product.

    Q. Can vaccines cause autoimmune diseases?
    A.
    Vaccines themselves do not cause these diseases, but they can trigger autoimmune responses followed by disease in genetically predisposed animals, as can any infection, drug, or chemical / toxic exposures etc.

    Q. Can a single vaccine dose provide any benefit to the dog? Will it benefit the canine population?
    A.
    Yes. One dose of a MLV canine core vaccine should provide long term immunity when given to animals at or after 16 weeks of age. Every puppy 16 weeks of age or older should receive at least one dose of the MLV core vaccines. We need to vaccinate more animals in the population with core vaccines to achieve herd immunity and thereby prevent epidemic outbreaks.

    Q. If an animal receives only the first dose of a vaccine that needs two doses to immunize, will it have immunity?
    A.
    No. A single dose of a two-dose vaccine like Leptospirosis vaccine will not provide immunity. The first dose is for priming the immune system. The second for boosting the immunity has to be given within 6 weeks; otherwise the series has to start over again. After those two doses, revaccination with a single dose can be done at any time.

    Q. Can maternally derived antibodies (MDA) also block immunity to killed vaccines and prevent active immunization with MLV vaccines?
    A.
    Yes. MDA can block certain killed vaccines, especially those that require two doses to immunize. With MLV vaccines, two doses are often recommended, particularly in young animals, to be sure one is given beyond the neutralizing period of MDA.
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    Q. How long after vaccination does an animal develop immunity that will prevent severe disease when the core vaccines are used?
    A.
    This is dependent on the animal, the vaccine, and the disease.

    · The fastest immunity is provided by canine distemper virus (CDV) vaccines -- MLV and recombinant canarypox virus vectored. The immune response starts within mins - hrs and provides protection within a day without interference from MDA.
    · Immunity to canine parvovirus (CPV-2) develops after 3-5 days when an effective MLV vaccine is used.
    · Canine adenovirus-2/hepatitis (CAV-2) MLV given parenterally provides immunity against CAV-1 in 5 to 7 days.

    Q. Can dogs be “non-responders” and fail to develop an immune response to vaccines?
    A
    Yes. This is a genetic characteristic seen particularly in some breeds or dog families. Boosting them regularly will not produce measurable antibody. Some of these animals may be protected against disease by their cell-mediated and secretory immunity.

    Q. Are there parvovirus and distemper virus field mutants that are not adequately protected by current MLV vaccines?
    A.
    No. All the current CPV-2 and CDV vaccines provide protection from all known viral isolates, when tested experimentally as well as in the field. The current CPV-2 and CPV-2b vaccines provide both short and long term protection from challenge by the CPV-2c variant.

    Q. Are serum antibody titres useful in determining vaccine immunity?
    A.
    Yes. They are especially useful for CDV, CPV-2 and CAV-1 in the dog, FPV in the cat, and rabies virus in the cat and dog. Rabies titers, however, are often not acceptable to exempt individual animals from mandated rabies boosters in spite of medical justifcation. Serum antibody titers are of limited or no value for (many of) the other vaccines.

    1 President, Hemopet, 938 Stanford Street, Santa Monica, CA 90403; 2 Chairman, Department of Pathobiological Sciences, School of Veterinary Medicine, University of Wisconsin-Madison, Madison, WI 53706.

    * Excerpted from: AKC Health Foundation, St. Louis, MO, 2007; J Sm An Pract 48, 528–541, 2007; 5th IVVDC Conference , Madison, WI , 2009.

    Additional Literature

    ● Day MJ, Horzinek MC, Schultz RD. Guidelines for the vaccination of dogs and cats. J Sm An Pract, 48, 528-541 2007

    ● Dodds WJ. Vaccination protocols for dogs predisposed to vaccine reactions. J Am An Hosp Assoc 38: 1-4, 2001.

    ● Dodds WJ. Vaccine issues revisited: what’s really happening ? Proc Am Hol Vet Med Assoc, Tulsa, OK, 2007, pp 132-140.

    ● Paul MA (chair) et al. Report of the AAHA Canine Vaccine Task Force : 2006 AAHA Canine Vaccine Guidelines. J Am An Hosp Assoc 42:80-109, Mar-April 2006, 28 pp. www.aahanet.org

    ● Schultz R D Considerations in designing effective and safe vaccination programs for dogs. In: Carmichael LE (editor), Recent Advances in Canine Infectious Diseases. Intern Vet Inform Serv, 2000. www.ivis.org.

    ● Schultz RD. Duration of immunity for canine and feline vaccines: a review. Vet Microbiol 117:75-79, 2006.

    “CORE” CANINE VACCINES *

    · Distemper
    · Adenovirus (Hepatitis)**
    · Parvovirus
    · Rabies
    _______________________________________
    * vaccines that every dog and cat should have
    ** immunity provided by a CAV-2 vaccine

    CANINE VACCINE ADVERSE EVENTS *

    · retrospective cohort study; 1.25 million dogs vaccinated at 360 veterinary hospitals
    · 38 adverse events per 10,000 dogs vaccinated
    · inversely related to dog weight
    · vaccines prescribed on a 1-dose-fits-all basis, rather than by body weight.
    · increased for dogs up to 2 yr of age, then declined
    · greater for neutered versus sexually intact dogs
    · increased as number of vaccines given together increased
    · increased after the 3 rd or 4th vaccination
    · genetic predisposition to adverse events documented
    __________________________________________________ ___________
    * from Moore et al, JAVMA 227:1102–1108, 2005


    VACCINE CONCLUSIONS FOR CANINES *

    Factors that increase risk of adverse events 3 days after vaccination:


    · young adult age
    · small-breed size
    · neutering
    · multiple vaccines given per visit

    These risks should be communicated to clients
    __________________________________________________ _____

    * from Moore et al, JAVMA 227:1102–1108, 2005
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    Thanks for the post!

    01-09-2010 12:18 AM OMG! Brilliant post! You are like...a total genius *swoon* <3 <3 <3
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    Re: ALL ABOUT VACCINE ISSUES & VACCINATIONS--Dodds & Schultz 2/10

    Please, could this FABULOUS wealth of information be made into a sticky?
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    Re: ALL ABOUT VACCINE ISSUES & VACCINATIONS--Dodds & Schultz 2/10

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    Thanks for the post!
    You're welcome! I have many more informative posts that will be going up in the days ahead.

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    Kris, I see you post on many boards I am on. Do you have a blog?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedyreRottweilers View Post
    Do you have a blog?
    The Rabies Challenge Fund has a website www.RabiesChallengeFund.org and a Facebook page http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Ra...?v=wall&ref=ts .
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    Dr. W. Jean Dodds' Latest Vaccination Schedule

    Here is Dr. W. Jean Dodds' Latest Recommendation Vaccination Schedule for those of you who are interested.

    http://www.weim.net/emberweims/Vaccine.html

    Dr. Jean Dodds' Recommended Vaccination Schedule

    Distemper (MLV)
    Initial (e.g. Intervet Progard Puppy) 9 weeks, 12 weeks, 16 - 20 weeks
    1st Annual Booster At 1 year MLV Distemper/ Parvovirus only
    Re-Administration Interval None needed.
    Duration of immunity 7.5 / 15 years by studies. Probably lifetime. Longer studies pending.
    Comments Can have numerous side effects if given too young (< 8 weeks).

    Parvovirus (MLV)
    Initial (e.g. Intervet Progard Puppy) 9 weeks, 12 weeks, 16 - 20 weeks
    1st Annual BoosterAt 1 year MLV Distemper/ Parvovirus only
    Re-Administration Interval None needed.
    Duration of immunity 7.5 years by studies. Probably lifetime. Longer studies pending.
    Comments At 6 weeks of age, only 30% of puppies are protected but 100% are exposed to the virus at the vet clinic.

    Rabies (killed)
    Initial 24 weeks or older
    1st Annual BoosterAt 1 year (give 3-4 weeks apart from Dist/Parvo booster) Killed 3 year rabies vaccine
    Re-Administration Interval 3 yr. vaccine given as required by law in California (follow your state/provincial requirements)
    Comments rabid animals may infect dogs.

    Vaccines Not Recommended For Dogs

    Distemper & Parvo @ 6 weeks or younger
    Not recommended.
    At this age, maternal antibodies form the mothers milk (colostrum) will neutralize the vaccine and only 30% for puppies will be protected. 100% will be exposed to the virus at the vet clinic.

    Corona
    Not recommended.
    1.) Disease only affects dogs <6 weeks of age.
    2.) Rare disease: TAMU has seen only one case in seven years.
    3.) Mild self-limiting disease.
    4.) Efficacy of the vaccine is questionable.

    Leptospirosis
    Not recommended
    1) There are an average of 12 cases reported annually in California.
    2) Side effects common.
    3) Most commonly used vaccine contains the wrong serovars. (There is no cross-protection of serovars) There is a new vaccine with 2 new serovars. Two vaccinations twice per year would be required for protection.).
    4) Risk outweighs benefits.

    Lyme
    Not recommended
    1) Low risk in California.
    2) 85% of cases are in 9 New England states and Wisconsin.
    3) Possible side effect of polyarthritis from whole cell bacterin.

    Boretella
    (Intranasal)
    (killed) Only recommended 3 days prior to boarding when required.
    Protects against 2 of the possible 8 causes of kennel cough.
    Duration of immunity 6 months.

    Giardia
    Not recommended
    Efficacy of vaccine unsubstantiated by independent studies

    There are two types of vaccines currently available to veterinarians: modified-live vaccines and inactivated ("killed") vaccines.

    Immunization Schedules

    There is a great deal of controversy and confusion surrounding the appropriate immunization schedule, especially with the availability of modified-live vaccines and breeders who have experienced postvaccinal problems when using some of these vaccines. It is also important to not begin a vaccination program while maternal antibodies are still active and present in the puppy from the mother's colostrum. The maternal antibodies identify the vaccines as infectious organisms and destroy them before they can stimulate an immune response.

    Many breeders and owners have sought a safer immunization program.

    Modified Live Vaccines (MLV)

    Modified-live vaccines contain a weakened strain of the disease causing agent. Weakening of the agent is typically accomplished by chemical means or by genetic engineering. These vaccines replicate within the host, thus increasing the amount of material available for provoking an immune response without inducing clinical illness. This provocation primes the immune system to mount a vigorous response if the disease causing agent is ever introduced to the animal. Further, the immunity provided by a modified-live vaccine develops rather swiftly and since they mimic infection with the actual disease agent, it provides the best immune response.

    Inactivated Vaccines (Killed)

    Inactivated vaccines contain killed disease causing agents. Since the agent is killed, it is much more stable and has a longer shelf life, there is no possibility that they will revert to a virulent form, and they never spread from the vaccinated host to other animals. They are also safe for use in pregnant animals (a developing fetus may be susceptible to damage by some of the disease agents, even though attenuated, present in modified-live vaccines). Although more than a single dose of vaccine is always required and the duration of immunity is generally shorter, inactivated vaccines are regaining importance in this age of retrovirus and herpesvirus infections and concern about the safety of genetically modified microorganisms. Inactivated vaccines available for use in dogs include rabies, canine parvovirus, canine coronavirus, etc.

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    Note: This schedule is the one I recommend and should not be interpreted to mean that other protocols recommended by a veterinarian would be less satisfactory. It's a matter of professional judgment and choice. For breeds or families of dogs susceptible to or affected with immune dysfunction, immune-mediated disease, immune-reactions associated with vaccinations, or autoimmune endocrine disease (e.g., thyroiditis, Addison's or Cushing's disease, diabetes, etc.) the above protocol is recommended.

    After 1 year, annually measure serum antibody titers against specific canine infectious agents such as distemper and parvovirus. This is especially recommended for animals previously experiencing adverse vaccine reactions or breeds at higher risk for such reactions (e.g., Weimaraner, Akita, American Eskimo, Great Dane).

    Another alternative to booster vaccinations is homeopathic nosodes. This option is considered an unconventional treatment that has not been scientifically proven to be efficacious. One controlled parvovirus nosode study did not adequately protect puppies under challenged conditions. However, data from Europe and clinical experience in North America support its use. If veterinarians choose to use homeopathic nosodes, their clients should be provided with an appropriate disclaimer and written informed consent should be obtained.

    I use only killed 3 year rabies vaccine for adults and give it separated from other vaccines by 3-4 weeks. In some states, they may be able to give titer test result in lieu of booster.

    I do NOT use Bordetella, corona virus, leptospirosis or Lyme vaccines unless these diseases are endemic in the local area pr specific kennel. Furthermore, the currently licensed leptospira bacterins do not contain the serovars causing the majority of clinical leptospirosis today.

    I do NOT recommend vaccinating bitches during estrus, pregnancy or lactation.

    W. Jean Dodds, DVM
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    I wish you had posted this a couple weeks sooner...been having issues with my dog since his annual boosters- though the two may not be related. Oh well Very useful in either case. If I had known then what I know now I would have opted to skip the Bortedella at least.
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    Kris I appreciate the update on vaccines.

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    Re: ALL ABOUT VACCINE ISSUES & VACCINATIONS--Dodds & Schultz 2/10

    Quote Originally Posted by jasminesmom View Post
    Kris I appreciate the update on vaccines.
    You're welcome. You may also be interested in the following:

    The World Small Animal Veterinay Association's 2010 Guidelines for the Vaccination of Dogs and Cats are available online http://www.wsava.org/VGG1.htm (scroll down to Vaccine Guidelines 2010

    http://www.wsava.org/PDF/Misc/Vaccin...elines2010.pdf

    Quote Originally Posted by Bones View Post
    I wish you had posted this a couple weeks sooner...been having issues with my dog since his annual boosters- though the two may not be related. ... If I had known then what I know now I would have opted to skip the Bortedella at least.
    Bones, please e-mail privately at [email protected] and I will send you Dr. W. Jean Dodds' vaccinosis treatment for your dog.

    Also, regarding the bordatella vaccine, the following may be helpful:

    In an article from the October-December 2007, Vol. 26, #3 Journal of American Holistic Veterinary Medical Association, entitled Summary of a Presentation by Dr. Ron Schultz written by Patricia Monahan Jordan, DVM, it states that "Kennel cough is not a vaccinatable disease, realize this and stop the boarding kennels from making the dogs sick."

    Dr. Ronald Schultz declares in his An Update on What Everyone Needs to KNow about Canine and Feline Vaccination Programs" http://www.puliclub.org/CHF/AKC2007C...20Vaccines.htm published in the 2008 Proceedings of the Annual Conference of the AHVMA, Pages 325-336: "kennel cough is not preventable with vaccines."

    Regarding the Bordetella (Kennel Cough) vaccine, on Page 2 of the American Animal Hospital Association's 2003 Canine Vaccine Guidelines, http://www.leerburg.com/special_report.htm it states that "Optional or 'noncore' vaccines are those that the committee believe should be considered only in special circumstances because their use is more dependent on the exposure risk of the individual animal. Issues of geographic distribution and lifestyle should be considered before administering these vaccines. In addition, the diseases involved are generally self-limiting or respond readily to treatment. The committee believes this group of vaccines comprises distemper-meases virus (D-MV), canine parainfluenza virus (CPIV), Leptospira spp., Bordetella bronchispetica, and Borrelia burdorferi."

    Further, on Page 14 of the AAHA Guidelines, it states: "Bordetella bronchiseptica (B. bronchiseptica): Bordetella bronchiseptica is another cause of the “kennel cough” syn-drome. Infection in some susceptible dogs generally causes a self-limiting, upper respiratory disease and rarely causes life-threatening disease in otherwise healthy animals. Clini-cal disease resolves quickly when treated with appropriate antibiotics. Vaccination does not block infection but appears to lessen clinical disease, and vaccines provide a short DOI (<1 year) [table 2]. It is also unknown whether current vaccine strains protect against all field strains."
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    Re: ALL ABOUT VACCINE ISSUES & VACCINATIONS--Dodds & Schultz 2/10

    Kris,
    I merged these threads so they could become a sticky at the top of the forum.



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    I have a puppy. He is Golden Retriever. His name is Brunoo. He is just 9 weeks old. I got my puppy with the help of a dog and puppy website called e-dogsite. I got many tips to handle my puppy from the same site. All the necessary vaccinations required till his this age had been already given to him. Now it's my responsibility to look after his health. I searched my results online related to vaccination. I got so many results but maximum results vary in name and list of vaccinations according to age group. So can anybody help in this case? I am in need of a proper required vaccination list along with age group. Suggestions are appreciated !

    Well I have consulted to a vet also!
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    Re: ALL ABOUT VACCINE ISSUES & VACCINATIONS--Dodds & Schultz 2/10

    Quote Originally Posted by kallonwatson View Post
    I have a puppy. He is Golden Retriever. His name is Brunoo. He is just 9 weeks old. I got my puppy with the help of a dog and puppy website called e-dogsite. I got many tips to handle my puppy from the same site. All the necessary vaccinations required till his this age had been already given to him. Now it's my responsibility to look after his health. I searched my results online related to vaccination. I got so many results but maximum results vary in name and list of vaccinations according to age group. So can anybody help in this case? I am in need of a proper required vaccination list along with age group. Suggestions are appreciated !

    Well I have consulted to a vet also!
    You might want to look at Dr. W. Jean Dodds' vaccination protocol at this thread: https://www.dogforums.com/13-dog-heal...ne-issues.html
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    Re: ALL ABOUT VACCINE ISSUES & VACCINATIONS--Dodds & Schultz 2/10

    Actually I merged that into this thread, scroll up to post #8.



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    I really wish I had seen this on Monday. We took our beloved old dog to the vet on Tuesday for her annual vaccinations. The only thing the vet warned us about is that she might cough a bit in reaction to the bordetella vaccine. He didn't mention anything about it being unnecessary. She was an inside dog that never came in contact with other dogs. She was almost 17 yrs. old but seemed like she would live months if not a year longer. However, after getting vaccinated she seemed really tired/weak for the rest of the evening, slept late and then in the morning she started wheezing, collapsed on the floor, then convulsed and died within a minute. We're all heartbroken. We know she was old but her death was so sudden. Old age and arthritis had slowed her down but she still had her playful puppy moments up until the day before we took her to the vet. We expected to have a few more months to love and enjoy her company before having to say goodbye. I feel like I failed her for not being more informed. All these years she's received annual vaccinations that were unnecessary and the last set killed her. The only consolation is that she didn't suffer long.
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    I am so sorry to hear of your loss. I have learned the hard way also to not always trust a vet and to do research before anything is given.

    My thoughts and prayers are with your family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy Pants View Post
    I really wish I had seen this on Monday. We took our beloved old dog to the vet on Tuesday for her annual vaccinations. The only thing the vet warned us about is that she might cough a bit in reaction to the bordetella vaccine. He didn't mention anything about it being unnecessary. She was an inside dog that never came in contact with other dogs. She was almost 17 yrs. old but seemed like she would live months if not a year longer. However, after getting vaccinated she seemed really tired/weak for the rest of the evening, slept late and then in the morning she started wheezing, collapsed on the floor, then convulsed and died within a minute. We're all heartbroken. We know she was old but her death was so sudden. Old age and arthritis had slowed her down but she still had her playful puppy moments up until the day before we took her to the vet. We expected to have a few more months to love and enjoy her company before having to say goodbye. I feel like I failed her for not being more informed. All these years she's received annual vaccinations that were unnecessary and the last set killed her. The only consolation is that she didn't suffer long.
    Fuzzypants, what a horrible experience for you and your precious girl, I am so sorry.

    Please make sure that you report this vaccinal adverse reaction so that the body of data on these types of events will more accurately reflect the actual rate of these occurrences. You can find out how to do that at this link.

    Personally, I would switch veterinarians if you have any other pets.
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    Can I get that link again to report the reaction? I think it will be months to a year before we are ready to get another dog. She was like a child to the whole family and we feel we need to honor her memory a little longer before we can commit to adopting another one. But when we are ready we will go to the same shelter where we got her. And we will try to find a better vet but finding a vet in MS that doesn't vaccinate every year will be difficult. I have a hard enough time explaining to my general practitioner that I don't need an antibiotic when it is the flu virus I have. I'm sure they learn in medical school the difference between a virus and bacterium and that antibiotics are over-prescribed in this country, not to mention have no affect on viruses. But still they dole them out like candy despite being advised not to by the CDC because of kick-backs they get from the pharmaceutical companies. So I'm sure I'm going to have to go to battle with any Vet here about annuals no matter what all the current and new research shows is best for pets.
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    Re: ALL ABOUT VACCINE ISSUES & VACCINATIONS--Dodds & Schultz 2/10

    Fuzzy Pants,

    You can go to the FDA website for this info:
    http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/.../ucm055305.htm
    Cheryl and Angel Jasmine
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