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    Cavachon Fatigue

    Hello! I joined this forum yesterday. Some of you may know that I brought home my new Cavachon puppy, Macey, home yesterday. I bought her some treats today. They are called Milk-Bone MarroSnacks. They are small, but too big for her, so I crushed them up with a spoon. She really didn't think they were great. So, I've been using cheese to try to teach her to sit. I taught her how to sit this morning and she is starting to learn come, but doesn't understand stay yet. She is a very calm puppy.

    The problem is that I've noticed she seems very fatigued today. This started at around 9am and it is now close to 11am. I'm not sure what to do. This has me very nervous. She has had her shots, as the store gave me the vaccine papers. I gave her a Tylenol and hopefully that makes her feel better. I've called the veterinarian and made an appointment for her at noon.

    Can anybody help us out here?

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    Re: Cavachon Fatigue

    Hopefully she's just overwhelmed from being in a new environment and extra stimulation.

    Did the vet recommend Tylenol?

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    Re: Cavachon Fatigue

    can a dog have Tylenol?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatriciafromCO View Post
    can a dog have Tylenol?
    I don't know (google gives me mixed results). That's why I asked if it was given under a vet's direction. It's a small, young puppy, so proper dose would be important.

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    She's a puppy and is probably just tired? Why do you think she is fatigued versus tired? It might just be nap time.

    Anyways, since it sounds like you purchased from a pet store, having a check up is a good idea anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cookieface View Post
    I don't know (google gives me mixed results). That's why I asked if it was given under a vet's direction. It's a small, young puppy, so proper dose would be important.
    Legit vet clinic and similar websites note acetaminophen as highly dangerous to dogs (and other animals)

    http://aspcapro.org/sites/pro/files/...s_july00_2.pdf

    https://www.avma.org/public/PetCare/...-for-pets.aspx

    http://www.vcahospitals.com/main/pet...-and-cats/7946

    http://www.petmd.com/dog/conditions/...ophen_toxicity

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    I'm sitting in the veterinary waiting room and she is sleeping on my lap. My mother told me to give her Tylenol. I have her maybe 1/4 of a tablet or a little less. I will let the vet know I gave it to her. I might be overreacting rushing her to the vet, but I've never had a puppy this young. The store gave her all her necessary vaccines for her age, so I'm not really concerned that she has anything contagious or anything. Her records say at 6-weeks-old she was given distemper, measles, parainfluenza and bordatella. But, I am worried that she hasn't had adenovirus (hepatitis) yet. I'm keeping her on my lap and we are sitting away from other dogs. There was a woman with a Yoranian that came and jumped up on me and got in Macey's face. I got really nervous, but the woman told me that her dog had all her shots and know the little dog was just trying to be friendly. There is a Labrador Retriever here that had bloody diarrhea in the waiting room before the techs came out and rushed the dog back, so that made me very nervous and I'm literally huddled in a corner right now. There is a really aggressive Keeshond here too, that is also making me nervous, but is muzzled. I think I'm much for stressed than Macey. She is asleep in my lap. This feels like it is taking forever. I can understand if there is an emergency, like that poor Labrador Retriever!

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    (Note: I am not a vet)

    Definitely tell the vet you have given her Tylenol.

    Don't let her walk on the floor of the vet clinic. Good that you are keeping her in your lap.

    Vaccines given at 6 weeks of age have a low rate of effectiveness because the puppy still has maternal antibodies which are protecting them (assuming the mom was vaccinated) but those same antibodies prevent the vaccine from taking hold so to speak. that's why puppy shots are a series of vaccines given every few weeks until the puppy is about 16 weeks old. As the puppy gets older, the maternal antibodies wear off at an unknown age (different for each dog) and that's when the vaccines can do their job and help the dog produce their own immunity.

    I hope everything goes well for your little one!

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    You shouldn't be giving your puppy medicine without a vet's approval. And definitely not Tylenol.

    Also, just because the store vaccinated her doesn't mean she's safe from any of those illnesses. Puppies need multiple rounds of vaccinations to develop antibodies and immunity to those diseases.

    Do not mean to be harsh here, just informative. You seem like you haven't done your homework about puppy ownership. What's done is done, but there's no reason you can't start learning now. Buying from a pet store is not a good idea. Pet store puppies are puppy mill puppies, who are generally born in less than ideal conditions, not socialized, and whose parents are mass bred to produce large quantities of puppies.

    A puppy sleeping is absolutely normal and is not a condition that requires medication. My puppy slept for 20+ hours a day for the first few weeks I had him.

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    My vet said that she sometimes prescribes Tylenol to dogs for pain and fever. The vet said the amount I gave her was not enough to hurt her, but not to give it again unless its under the direction of a veterinarian. Macey didn't touch the ground at the vet clinic once. I held her the entire time. I brought the paper the store gave me that has her vaccines on it and the vet said they appeared to be in order. She is due for her next vaccines at 10-weeks and she will be getting DHPP, Coronavirus, Leptospirosis, Bordatella and Lyme Disease. Then she comes back at 12-weeks and gets her Rabies vaccine. The vet did a parvovirus test, just in case, and it came back negative. The vet already lectured me about giving medications without direct advice from a veterinarian. I asked her if Tylenol was poisonous or dangerous and she said that it's only dangerous to dogs if it's not administered correctly or in the right dosage. She has no fever and has been vaccinated, so the vet doesn't think she has distemper. She will be getting her next round of vaccines at 10-weeks-old, which is in 3-weeks. She has no cough, so the vet said she doesn't have kennel cough. I've had puppies before, but not this young. My Labrador Retriever was around 10-weeks-old when I bought him. Macey, and my Labrador Retriever, both came from Petland and they made sure to help me find the perfect puppy. The person who sold Macey gave me lots of good advice and helped me pick out all the supplies I needed and taught me about crate training. The vet said that Macey is very healthy and is probably just a bit overwhelmed by being in a new home with new surroundings and around new animals.

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    Macey is doing really good right now! I bought her a cute little pink harness from the vet. She has found that she really likes to chew on my shoes. Right now she is laying on the dog bed on the front porch (I'm out with her) and she is playing with all her toys!

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    I called Petland and asked if they got their puppies from puppy mills. They said they didn't. They get them from breeders. I know some pet stores get their puppies from puppy mills, but Petland is a big and well respected business. I don't think they would do that. I would never buy a puppy form a puppy mill. I'm not that kind of person. I straight up asked them and they said no. Could they be lying to me? I'm kind of worried now. But, I don't think a business can lie to you. Especially not where they get their puppies from. Can they? Is it possible that Macey came from a puppy mill? Should I take her back? They have a return policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cavachon1998 View Post
    I called Petland and asked if they got their puppies from puppy mills. They said they didn't. They get them from breeders. I know some pet stores get their puppies from puppy mills, but Petland is a big and well respected business. I don't think they would do that. I would never buy a puppy form a puppy mill. I'm not that kind of person. I straight up asked them and they said no. Could they be lying to me? I'm kind of worried now. But, I don't think a business can lie to you. Especially not where they get their puppies from. Can they? Is it possible that Macey came from a puppy mill? Should I take her back? They have a return policy.
    Technically, a puppy mill is a breeder. They breed dogs. You could ask specifically which breeders they get their dogs from, however, which may get you a more concrete answer. Yes, they can lie to you, or at least not tell the whole truth. But what's done is done. If you have taken her to vet and she is healthy, then there is no need to take her back. I would make sure to read the fine print of whatever paperwork you have, though, to see about health guarantees, just in case something comes up.

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    Wasn't there some documentary a while back on Petland and where they got their puppies? Anyway, yes, there aren't a whole lot (if any) good breeders who would sell their puppies to a pet store, unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cavachon1998 View Post
    I called Petland and asked if they got their puppies from puppy mills. They said they didn't. They get them from breeders. I know some pet stores get their puppies from puppy mills, but Petland is a big and well respected business. I don't think they would do that. I would never buy a puppy form a puppy mill. I'm not that kind of person. I straight up asked them and they said no. Could they be lying to me? I'm kind of worried now. But, I don't think a business can lie to you. Especially not where they get their puppies from. Can they? Is it possible that Macey came from a puppy mill? Should I take her back? They have a return policy.
    It is almost guaranteed that the puppy came from what most people consider as a "puppy mill"

    There are pet stores who host adoptable dogs of varying ages and breeds though their local animal control agency or a rescue group (PetSmart does for example) but a chain or individual store who constantly has a supply of puppies, especially designer breeds, are getting their supply from high volume breeders (aka mills). No other way to keep a steady stream of puppies available to purchase.

    That said, if you like the dog and you want to care for the dog, then keep her. She can't help where she came from and if you return her, she'll just get sold again though the same dubious location. And possibly to someone who doesn't care about her well being. Just figure that you have no real background on her genetics, health or temperament of her parents and plan ahead to save up money for potential health care (which is a good idea for ANYONE owning a dog, even from tested parents) but particularly important for a breed with known major health issues (the Cavalier)
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    I'd assume she is from a puppy mill, and I'd put money on it, personally. Pet stores always say 'Oh no, our puppies are from breeders', but like Lillith said, a puppy mill is still technically a breeder. They breed dogs. No responsible breeder would sell to a pet store. Responsible breeders health test, know the temperaments and health issues of their lines, and put their sweat and tears into their dogs. They screen potential buyers carefully, and many have people waiting for puppies and lined up before they are even born.

    Here's an article about Petland - there are a ton more, if you google it.

    http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/...ww.google.com/

    However, your other dog from Petland is from a mill, too. This isn't a new thing. Puppy mill dogs are not always defects - you just have to be careful and ultimately, most people avoid supporting them. But what's done is done. You could return her if you want. Cavaliers are known to be riddled with health issues. Personally I'd take out insurance on her while she is healthy, just because you have no idea the longevity/issues of her lines. She will most likely turn out to be a perfectly okay dog.

    Also, don't rely too much on those guarantees. When it comes down to it, they are pretty much useless, and won't hold up in court. Never mind the fact that the cost of taking it to trial to actually have it enforced is usually more expensive than whatever the issue was. Having insurance or a large vet fund is the safest plan, not relying on the guarantee. Besides the fact that there are plenty of stories about puppies returned due to health issues being put down almost immediately.
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    Really, by definition, only puppymills sell to pet stores :/. They have to be USDA certified to sell to pet stores, and only mass producers get USDA certified, and caring breeders want to know what kind of homes their dogs go to. So there's no way she came from a caring, small-scale breeder. And no puppymill will call themselves a puppymill or admit to being a puppymill, so if you use that word of course they'll deny it. The name of the breeder she came from will be on the paperwork they should have given you.

    But what's done is done, and I could never return a dog I already got attached to. So make the best of it, and love her! If you're worried about her long-term health, you can get pet insurance. . .take some of the shock out of the vet bills.
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    I am completely against supporting BYB and puppy mills. Any insight or personal experiences is welcomed! Thank you! Even if they could get a disease or have problems, don't you think they deserve to be loved? But When I went to petland to buy a puppy I confronted the owners and had told them everything that I herd about the way all pet stores work and they showed a contract of which I was signed that stated if that all there breeders which provide puppies for them are goverment assigned and inspected breeders and are not puppy mills and that all dogs have a medical insurance so that if anything was to happen they cover it.

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    We do not want to buy from a shelter (my parents have done this and their dogs had severe health issues). Are Puppy Mills Illegal all over the U.S.A, or just in certain states? Have a great day Just Curious. Thank you for all the responses. Glad to Know more Information. Thank you All.

    I am not going to return Macey, as I love her very much.

    And what exactly is a puppy mill?

    I've gone to Petland and they have great packages when it comes to purchasing a puppy. They have financial aid and let you pay for accessories over a period of time, plus free vet visit.

    Nothing set off alarm bells for me. All the puppies were healthy and they seemed very well taken care of.

    I am very happy with Macey. She only cost me $825, although after searching online I see that breeders don't usually charge that much for Cavachons. I found a breeder here in Dallas that sells them for only $600. I am 100% against puppy mills, though.

    I will not be buying from Petland again. I appreciate everybody educating me. I now feel really bad for giving money to a place that buys from puppy mills, but I feel good that I'm giving Macey a good home. I will make sure to get my next dog from a reputable breeder.

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    Do you think a breeder who truly cares about his/her dogs would allow puppies to be sold to anyone with cash?

    One of the hallmarks of a responsible breeder is that s/he meets and screens potential buyers to ensure the puppy is going to a good home and that the puppy will be a good fit for the owner's lifestyle.

    When we bought our dogs, the breeder and I had several lengthy email exchanges, a phone call, and then my husband and I spent about 3 hours at her house talking about her dogs, the puppy, and general health and care.

    How much time did you spend with the breeder of your dog?

    What's done is done. You have your puppy, love her, and will likely have a long happy life with her.

    There is no legal definition of "puppy mill" and no, large scale breeding operations are not illegal (animal cruelty is, but the legal definition is likely very different from what most animal lovers would consider cruelty).

    Yes, all puppies deserve to be loved. Not all breeders deserve to be supported, though.

    In the General Discussion section, there is a thread about responsible breeders vs disreputable ones. If you haven't read it, it would be a good starting point for learning more.

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