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On my last ever bag of dog food, then straight raw ( partial raw since 8 weeks, comming up on 6 months now)
1: he doesn't eat any bones except chicken/turkey, is that fine for him and his required bone intake? I feed him meaty bones, beef and pork but he doesn't actually eat them, strips the meat off and that's it. Do I supplement this till he's old enough to crunch them him self??
2: how much veggies is too much? Could I do say half a cup or so a day with brown rice mushed up with his raw?? More? Less??
His stools have been inconsistent, and obviously that's my fault I have to put a little more effort in on keeping a steady schedule.
Bone is fed for the mineral content and all bones have the same basic content, a matrix of protein binding calcium and phosphorus plus tiny amounts of trace minerals. I count on chicken bone but my dogs do eat lots of bone off beef, pork, lamb and so on. He probably will start to eat the actual bone in time, for now it's waste and that's fine.
He doesn't need rice or veggies. If you must then keep it to 25% of the diet. Any added is in addition to the basic 2% of dog's ideal body weight. Feed a 50 pound dog 1 pound of meat, bone and organ then add 4-5 ounces of veggies and rice if you must. It is possible this is contributing to the difficulty transitioning. My first raw fed dog had to go on cooked food and he did poorly with even mushy pureed veggies. I used mushy white rice with cooked raw [I pureed cooked to a mush chicken bone] but that was more for me than him.Bone serves as stool firmer for raw fed dogs and even my sick dog fed home cooked food with mushy white rice had good quality stool on that super low fiber diet.
If his stool is inconsistent then make his diet constant. It's fine if it is firmer or softer but you don't want to see concrete poop or mucous regularly. For storage purposes I packed a month's worth of meals in daily bags when I started feeding raw and now pack 2-3 days worth per foil packet then adjust bone and fat content from there. It's a lot of work packing but makes it easier one a daily basis.
Are you using a scale? I couldn't feed raw without one. I've been feeding raw since 2008 and still cannot pick up meat and know it's the right amount for the dog. Too much food can cause soft to loose stool rather than weight gain.
I'm glad the chicken bones will do fine for him. That's good to know.
I use a scale since day 1. He's a golden retriever, somewhere around 45+ pounds right now. At a little over 5 months. He will be going to 2 meals a day shortly.
The veggies and rice I would rather Like to Do, I don't think I'll do it every day, rather every second day.
But his stools are rather loose, more times then not.
Also I'll likely be on a chicken, beef, pork, Turkey
Then organ rotation. Change it every day, i don't mind the effort at all. I bag it in 1 lb freezer bags and cook a bunch of rice at once, frozen veggies.
I'd be feeding more bone until his gut is settled down then reduce to 10% or the lowest amount he can tolerate. How large is he expected to get? Feed 2% of that amount for now. How much fat is he getting? Take skin off chicken and trim fat off meat until gut settles down. I had to feed Max daily bone for at least 6 months, find a way to do that, much easier on the gut. Feed organ daily, some dogs can handle larger amounts less often, some never can. For now pack uniform meals with a bit of bone and organ and the rest meat.
If he never had firm stool then you moved forward too fast. Might even want to go back to chicken with skin removed for a week or so then start introducing other meats a couple ounces more each day. Don't put him on 2x a day as that will just overload the gut more. When 5 year old Ginger came here it turned out the dogs would have a single firm stool fed 2x a day but a sloppy second stool if fed 1x a day.
I had him on mostly chicken when starting raw. Couple weeks in his stool went firm. Got into other meats and loosened up constantly , right now maybe 60% of it is loose.
Might be hard to judge because he does still eat some kibble right now.
That being said he might be higher in fat and low on bone. He wakes up and gets a pound of raw once daily. The. Kibble for the rest of the day. So it could be the kibble.
Any way to supplement the bone?? I mean even with the chicken backs, sure 4 backs is about a pound or more but I have no idea what the bone value is in that.. ..
I plan on doing it different then you i think. Sounds like you do organ bone and meat daily. I want to measure and have all hos nutrients on a weekly quota basis .
Monday 1 lb chicken backs 1 lb breast.
Tuesday 2 lb beef heart or meat
Wednesday 2 lbs Turkey backs ( a lot more meaty then chicken)
Thursday 2 lbs pork, heart or meat
Friday chicken again ( maybe just breast if his bone intake is good)
Saturday beef again
Something like that. Veggies and such in there too on some days.
This is for when he's off kibble entirely. 2 meals a day around 1 lb each meal
I understand that's the goal. It's a perfectly good way to feed a dog. It isn't right for your pup yet and it may never be. Keep it up and his gut might adjust or it might get into a horrible state. It hasn't adjusted yet after how long?
I'd feed skinned chicken backs until poop settles [maybe 2 days at most], move to leaving the skin on then start with meatier chicken parts [probably less than a week]. Then go back to the backs and feed fewer of them as you add in other proteins [take a week per protein] then start organs so dog is getting lots of bone but getting the more nutritious meats and organs. I started with a SLIVER of the first 4 organs doubling the amount daily. After the first few organs and proteins the dog didn't need a slow introduction. In a week the dog was fine with a full daily organ amount [so 4 weeks total]. I left it there for a week or so then started reducing bone to 10%. Once that was fine I move to alternating bony/organ and meaty days. Keeping an informal journal I found that worked best. I made good and sure that he was fed 10% bone 10% organ and the rest meat/fish/egg over the course of a week. You want to go past this point, fine. Just take the intermediate steps.
Been almost 2 weeks now since I stopped with kibble. Some 11 days atleast. Since the switch the only time he's really had loose stool was on organ day, and into the next morning. This is one I'm going to have to spread out over a weekend or more. Lots of bone which he's been doing fine with, until his body tells me to tone it down I'm going to keep going how we are going. Haven't added anything in his diet so I can be as accurate as possible. He's not losing or gaining a inappropriate amount, I'm pleased.