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    Here is a guide to adding fresh food to kibble. http://www.dogaware.com/diet/freshfoods.html

    I suspect a lot of the difficulty mixing raw and kibble is because we forget to SUBSTITUTE some fresh for the kibble and ADD it instead. Keep the total calories about the same and add them in a little at a time. If you decide an egg a day is a great idea start out with a teaspoon of raw egg a day or even less and move on as the dog's gut adjusts to the new stuff. And raw+kibble may or may not work out, go slow and watch the dogs.

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    Re: Feeding Raw - Where to Start?

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    you won't ever need to brush his teeth again
    I will probably still need to brush my girl's teeth, she has a tendency to eat poop some times.

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    Hi everyone,

    I'm just starting to look into raw feeding for my dogs, so bear with me if this has already been asked. But is there any neeed for me to be worried about pathogens in raw meats (E. coli, etc.), or can dogs digestive systems actually process this stuff with no problems?
    E. coli actually normally exists in the intestines of humans (albeit, in small quantities) so when they make a huge deal about it I just laugh it off. I know that in larger quantities it can do some major damage so just handle the meat carefully and know where the meat is from and you shouldn't have a problem.
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    Re: Feeding Raw - Where to Start?

    I've been feeding raw for quite a while now, but after looking at this site it seems quite a lot of people give their dogs an egg as well as meat. What are the main health benefits of this? How often do you feed an egg? Do you feed it with or without a shell? Sorry for all the questions but I thought I'd ask and see if it's a good idea

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    for me, it's another protein.....very rich, tho...

    some feed the entire egg with the shell...some dogs will eat the entire egg with the shell....

    eggs are, after all, the perfect food, right? at least that's what television says.

    mostly, it helps their coats and general health.

    some feed it daily....

    i think, it's whatever floats your boat as to how you want to serve it.

    some put it in a blender, shell and all, and serve it as a gravy with the rest of the meal...this is what we do, since our dogs won't eat the shell...they just roll it around on the floor

    but eggs are good for dogs....the salmonella scare that tends to surround raw eggs is mostly for humans, but dogs have such an acidic digestive system, salmonella doesn't stand a chance to make them sick..

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    Thanks for the link on adding fresh food to kibble. According to that article it's OK to mix kibble with raw as long as the dog can handle it (no stomach issues, etc). I also read elsewhere that as long as the kibble is grain free it's OK to mix the two as they probably digest about the same. It's only the kibble with grain and fillers that should not be mixed with raw. Is this true? Anybody heard of this?

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    Thanks for the link on adding fresh food to kibble. According to that article it's OK to mix kibble with raw as long as the dog can handle it (no stomach issues, etc). I also read elsewhere that as long as the kibble is grain free it's OK to mix the two as they probably digest about the same. It's only the kibble with grain and fillers that should not be mixed with raw. Is this true? Anybody heard of this?

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    could you please point me to the article you read about grain free and no fillers being mixed with raw?

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    Re: Feeding Raw - Where to Start?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kess View Post
    Thanks for the link on adding fresh food to kibble. According to that article it's OK to mix kibble with raw as long as the dog can handle it (no stomach issues, etc). I also read elsewhere that as long as the kibble is grain free it's OK to mix the two as they probably digest about the same. It's only the kibble with grain and fillers that should not be mixed with raw. Is this true? Anybody heard of this?

    Kess
    could you please point me to the article you read about grain free and no fillers being mixed with raw?
    I also would love to read that article!
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    Sorry, I’m just starting to do raw so I’ve been doing so much reading and researching on raw food that I really can’t remember where exactly I read that. (It stuck in my head because my dog is currently on grain free kibble and I’m slowing transitioning to raw). I don’t think it was an article that I read, I think it may have been on another site where this topic came up and a few responses stated that as long as the kibble is grain free it is OK to mix with raw. That’s why I’m asking if anybody on here has ever heard that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kess View Post
    Sorry, I’m just starting to do raw so I’ve been doing so much reading and researching on raw food that I really can’t remember where exactly I read that. (It stuck in my head because my dog is currently on grain free kibble and I’m slowing transitioning to raw). I don’t think it was an article that I read, I think it may have been on another site where this topic came up and a few responses stated that as long as the kibble is grain free it is OK to mix with raw. That’s why I’m asking if anybody on here has ever heard that.
    when i was studying and researching raw....i had to separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak...what made sense. what didn't. since there are no scientific studies that i would pay any attention to....other than, maybe orijen's white paper....i can only go by the dog's anatomy and physiology...which is how they are built and why they are built that way....

    i understand, kess....it's a real pain to know what is sensible and what is non sensible...because in the end, we all have to come up with our own conclusions...

    but here's the short story of what i ended up believing, if this helps you out.

    you don't have to go slowly when transitioning. fast 12 hours and jump right into the pool.

    dogs cannot digest grains. they don't have the teeth and jaw structure for it nor do they have the digestive tract to absorb and utilise.

    dogs are not herbivores.

    dogs cannot digest veggies unless they are already pre digested for them. and if that is the case (cooking them, pureeing them,) then they don't eat veggies.

    dogs eat what is as close to the natural state as possible. a chicken drumstick is natural. variety of proteins is natural.

    kibble is not structured in the same way as raw, so any comparison is apples to elephants.

    home cooking is not structured in the same way as raw, so any comparison is apples to elephants.

    dogs don't do dairy. the bacteria in dairy screws with the acidity in a dog's gut, which is there to protect them from disease and salmonella and e. coli and all kinds of things.

    dairy is filled with bacteria that off balances the dog's natural bacteria already present. dairy fed dogs generally have sensitive stomachs and either SIBO or IBD....

    to feed a dog raw is actually pretty simple. start with one protein, feed for a week. feed another protein and keep going. make sure the dog can eat the protein offered, which is why i say give one protein a week.

    then start organs..liver first....in small almond sized pieces and build up . these are vitamins for dogs and should account for about 5%. other organs should account for the other 5%.

    heart is not an organ. it's a muscle. so is lung. heart is good. num. num.

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    What Re said is SOO SPOT ON!!!!

    I was in your boat, I planned on slowly swapping the boys over, then Re(and others) convinced me to JUST DO ITTT!!!! And I did, and it's AWESOME!! I will never turn back!! All 3 of my boys, and the kitty, are soo much healthier, softer, happier!!!
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    Re: Feeding Raw - Where to Start?

    Thank you for your comments. I’m starting slowly because, like most in the beginning, I’m afraid, LOL! I was feeding the kibble along with either ground beef, chicken or turkey. I’ve been doing this for about 2 weeks. So far, she’s been doing great. But, I guess it’s time to stop the kibble and move on to meat with bone. Being that she has been given those different proteins already with no problems, does that mean she is already used to them or is ground meat different from bone in meat? In other words, can I give her a beef rib now or do I still just give a chicken wing for a week and then add beef with bone later?

    Also, she’s a small dog (8 pounds) so later when I start with liver, would an “almond size piece” be good to start with or should it be smaller for her? What about gizzards, is that an organ? They sell a package of chicken gizzards and hearts at my local supermarket.

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    well, five per cent of her food will come from liver and the other five per cent comes from other organs, such as kidney..

    so at 8 pounds, she's eating approximately 3.2 oz per day....depending on her metabolism, of course and her level of exercise...that number could go up or down by a few ounces....so she needs a total of 1.5 oz or organ...per week, if my math is right....

    if you were to give her almond size pieces three times a week, you'll most likely have met her needs...and then feed her 1.5 oz per week of kidney or another organ....keeping in mind that gizzards are a muscle meat, not an organ....as is heart..that is also a muscle meat...richer than others but still a muscle meat.

    cornish game hens are perfect for her....the bones are smaller....ground beef..not so much..doesn't give her teeth much of a work out...you want her to use her jaw and her mouth and her teeth for crunching bones and breaking down meat....

    and fish....definitely give her fish at some point..

    but start with chicken...then move to turkey...then to pork...then to fish....then to beef.....after she is transitioned fully, you want to feed as much red meat as you can...

    for boney meals, cornish game hens, chicken, quail, pheasant, pork ribs, lamb ribs, lamb breast..i'm sure there are others, but for now, breasts and backs would be a great start..

    and then when you put the piece of chicken down for her.....close your eyes and anticipate that first crunch...because after the first one that scares hell out of you, you'll want that second one....

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    MagicRe,

    Thank you for breaking that down for me. This is so helpful! It seems many on here have larger dogs and it was difficult for me to figure the amounts…math was never my best subject!

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    Question to Dalmatian raw feeders. For non-Dal owners--Dals have the uric acid issue, they are not supposed to eat organ meats, beef, nightshade vegetables, and other foods that produce uric acid. Here is the regimen that I have been using for 15 years or so. http://www.humangradedogfood.net/my-...e-barf-recipe/

    (I finally put it on a website because I got tired of explaining it to my friends who never followed through with it) I have recently added frozen chicken wings as a treat for my dogs (it's very hot here) to supplement their calcium needs.

    I'm impressed by the knowledge that others on this forum have about feeding raw since almost all of my friends just feed kibble and I don't have other local resources. I am interested in hearing what other Dalmatian owners are raw feeding their dogs sp I can add some variety to my dogs' diet. I have access to Whole Foods that usually carries most kinds of meat. Please comment on my current feeding method and offer your feeding advice.

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    Question to Dalmatian raw feeders. For non-Dal owners--Dals have the uric acid issue, they are not supposed to eat organ meats, beef, nightshade vegetables, and other foods that produce uric acid. Here is the regimen that I have been using for 15 years or so. http://www.humangradedogfood.net/my-...e-barf-recipe/

    (I finally put it on a website because I got tired of explaining it to my friends who never followed through with it) I have recently added frozen chicken wings as a treat for my dogs (it's very hot here) to supplement their calcium needs.

    I'm impressed by the knowledge that others on this forum have about feeding raw since almost all of my friends just feed kibble and I don't have other local resources. I am interested in hearing what other Dalmatian owners are raw feeding their dogs sp I can add some variety to my dogs' diet. I have access to Whole Foods that usually carries most kinds of meat. Please comment on my current feeding method and offer your feeding advice.
    are you saying your dal has uric acid issues or all dalmations.....because that's simply not true.....they might be prone to high levels of uric acid...in which case there are feeding limits....but it's something that has to be proven first..and that's easily done with a urine test and blood test.

    i have a friend who has a black russian terrier with the same problem and she is very careful about what she feeds.....it's part raw, part cooked and there are veggies....but no veggies that would cause a spike in uric acid....

    can't comment on your diet, since i don't know anything about hyperuricemia.

    the one ingredient i would never feed any dog is flax seed. it is irritating to the bowels and is often used as a laxative.

    surely, there is something else that would do the same thing without the harshness of flax..

    my other concern would be the marrow bones. they are teeth breakers. and if it hasn't happened to you, then you're lucky....but it's your risk to take....weight bearing animals are hard on teeth....
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    Re: Feeding Raw - Where to Start?

    ok so I have some questions.....

    first thing.... we dont have a butcher shop near by so its the grocery store for us. can I just feed ground beef and turkey.....maybe some pork chops and ckn livers and fish????

    I bought some "Deli Fresh" rolls todayat petco and apparently its not really "raw" food for dogs.

    second thing...if its going to cost too much $$ to go to the grocery store and get meat, what and where can I order online and know that Im getting the "true" ingredients???? none of our local pet stores have raw food.

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    All those meats are fine, just cut out the sharp sawn bones in chops.

    If I could only feed chicken, beef for organs and meat, pork and some fatty fish I would be fine with it. If the only beef meat was ground and the only pork was shoulder roast I would be fine. If I could only feed chicken and beef liver, fine.

    There are lots of reputable raw food companies out there. In your area is Texas Tripe I think.
    http://www.texastripe.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagicRe View Post
    are you saying your dal has uric acid issues or all dalmations.....because that's simply not true.....they might be prone to high levels of uric acid...in which case there are feeding limits....but it's something that has to be proven first..and that's easily done with a urine test and blood test.

    i have a friend who has a black russian terrier with the same problem and she is very careful about what she feeds.....it's part raw, part cooked and there are veggies....but no veggies that would cause a spike in uric acid....

    can't comment on your diet, since i don't know anything about hyperuricemia.

    the one ingredient i would never feed any dog is flax seed. it is irritating to the bowels and is often used as a laxative.

    surely, there is something else that would do the same thing without the harshness of flax..

    my other concern would be the marrow bones. they are teeth breakers. and if it hasn't happened to you, then you're lucky....but it's your risk to take....weight bearing animals are hard on teeth....
    Thank you for taking time to comment. Dalmatians cannot convert uric acid to allantoin. This is true of all Dalmatians--it is caused by a genetic mutation. Not all Dalmatians form stones because of it. http://www.thedogplace.org/Genetics/...-DNA-09012.asp Knock on wood, I have never had a stone producing Dal.

    It would be interesting to know what kind of stones your friend's black Russian terrier had. It's unlikely the dog had urate stones that are found in Dalmatians and bulldogs. More likely they were struvite or oxalate stones and each is treated differently.

    Never had any trouble with the flax seed oil. Yes, I've read other comments in the forum about marrow bones. I guess I've been lucky with those and the knuckle bones as well as I've never had problems with these either. My dogs just have really clean teeth from gnawing on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txdalgal View Post
    Thank you for taking time to comment. Dalmatians cannot convert uric acid to allantoin. This is true of all Dalmatians--it is caused by a genetic mutation. Not all Dalmatians form stones because of it. http://www.thedogplace.org/Genetics/...-DNA-09012.asp Knock on wood, I have never had a stone producing Dal.

    It would be interesting to know what kind of stones your friend's black Russian terrier had. It's unlikely the dog had urate stones that are found in Dalmatians and bulldogs. More likely they were struvite or oxalate stones and each is treated differently.

    Never had any trouble with the flax seed oil. Yes, I've read other comments in the forum about marrow bones. I guess I've been lucky with those and the knuckle bones as well as I've never had problems with these either. My dogs just have really clean teeth from gnawing on them.
    my apologies. i read what i read wrong. i will find out what kind of stones her russian black terrier has....don't mind being wrong and finding out what's right, but don't want to spout off the top of my head when my senility has kicked in today.

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    I have been reading and reading and have seen loads of pages on raw feeding. I read somewhere that if i buy fresh meats that it is important to freeze for three days before feeding. If i bought fresh chicken, do i really need to freeze it before serving? I have tried to find this answer, but am getting nowhere.

    I have four dogs ranging from 3 to 6 years, all healthy.

    Thanks so much!

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