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    YOU choose which meats to buy. Just stick to a budget and it works out fine. Keep buffalo in mind and some day it may come down in price and then you will buy it. I wish for rabbit, some day it will be affordable. I got my freezer and Max is in love with the ostrich trim and tripe that is affordable when a whole box is purchased.

    Raw takes a lot of study to start up. Raw takes a lot of shopping. Raw takes a lot of freezer room as you need to keep some variety at hand to save money.

    I haven't found raw to be messy and during the course of my learning about raw figured out how much and what to feed.

    Max was fine on kibble, fine on home cooked but is very much best on raw. Keep on reading, maybe someday you will be ready to try it out. No hurry.

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    Re: Feeding Raw - Where to Start?

    Quote Originally Posted by sirilucky View Post
    I found a site in google that helps dispelling some of the many myths about dogs, wolves, and feeding raw meaty bones to our pets. And here is the site
    http://www.rawfed.com/myths/

    Hope this helps most of us.
    FYI - Sirilucky - that link doesn't work. I even tried the root (just rawfed.com), and that did not come up either. Maybe they are having server issues?
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    I got the main page through the wayback machine and you can go to the myths page from there.http://web.archive.org/web/200710111...://rawfed.com/

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    Re: Feeding Raw - Where to Start?

    here is good intro article on BARF diets

    http://www.fidodogtreats.com/did-you-say-barf

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    A note about the butcher... ask about their scraps! I've been feeding my dog a raw diet for about a year, and just discovered a local butcher that sells "dog boxes". They empty a chicken case that holds 40 lbs. of chicken, and fill it with scraps, bone dust from under the slicer, meats that didn't sell in time, etc. Lots of goodies, and my butcher sells the box full for $5. It's a great savings that I didn't know about until I asked specifically.

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    Re: Feeding Raw - Where to Start?

    There is going to be a period of detoxification when switching to RAW. They will get runny poops, and even have mucous in their stools. It is normal and will go away in a week or two. However, if your dog is undergoing medical treatment for something, you should wait until they have no other stresses on their bodies that would make the transition to RAW more difficult. A tbs. of unsweetened canned pumpkin with their meals will help firm up their poops.
    I think 2% of their body weight is fine for a lazy adult dog, 3% might be better for a younger more active dog. We feed Phoebe 3 to 4% because she is so active and energetic and we can still see her ribs a little bit.

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    Re: Feeding Raw - When you travel

    Quote Originally Posted by MagicRe View Post
    they are once again on antibiotics....their stools are finally firm again..they are on a cooked bland diet of chicken/turkey/hamburger/ and brown rice....
    I wouldn't suggest switched a dog to raw when they're on antibiotics. The diet does best with a meal maintained and balanced GI tract and that will just not be the case for you right now. It’s really not great to make any diet switch while the dog is on antibiotics. What are they taking the antibiotics for and how much longer will they be on them?

    I can't see why they would need antibiotics for a diarrhea unless there was bacteria overgrowth in the GI tract. If that was the case I would replace the antibiotics with organic apple cider vinegar or grape seed extract. I would also start them on a really good doggy probiatic. That would solve the problem naturally with cause further harm to their digestive system. But I tend to be very homeopathic and avoid antibiotics if at all possible. They kill the good bacteria right along with the bad, and it can take a dog or human several months to replenish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DobManiac View Post
    I wouldn't suggest switched a dog to raw when they're on antibiotics. The diet does best with a meal maintained and balanced GI tract and that will just not be the case for you right now. It’s really not great to make any diet switch while the dog is on antibiotics. What are they taking the antibiotics for and how much longer will they be on them?

    I can't see why they would need antibiotics for a diarrhea unless there was bacteria overgrowth in the GI tract. If that was the case I would replace the antibiotics with organic apple cider vinegar or grape seed extract. I would also start them on a really good doggy probiatic. That would solve the problem naturally with cause further harm to their digestive system. But I tend to be very homeopathic and avoid antibiotics if at all possible. They kill the good bacteria right along with the bad, and it can take a dog or human several months to replenish.
    there was bacteria overgrowth in the GI tract and one of the dogs had had giardia....a ten year old dog, believe it or not....which is why they are on antibiotics, one of which is an anti inflammotry also....

    they are done now, so it's going to be a bland cooked diet until i'm ready to switch again..only this time, we'll do it much slower..

    they won't go back to kibble...they'll stay on cooked until it's time...

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    Re: Feeding Raw - When you travel

    we are on more than just chicken now, as an update, although we haven't yet added fat and skin back in any great quantity...we are starting to...slowly.

    they are doing fine on chicken, turkey, pork, smelts and one stripped down llama bone for fun...

    we are slowly adding fat and skin back into their diets and they are tolerating that well.

    when i move on to beef, considering how they have previously reacted to too much fat, what cut of beef do you think i should start with?

    i was thinking eye roast or silver roast....the dry cuts that require a gadzillion hours of braising or roasting....low and slow roast types...due to decreased fat...

    any suggestions?

    they do get 'tastes' of ground buffalo, lamb, hamburger, but only tastes so far and any time i cook a roast they get a bite of it...but now it's time to incorporate it into their rotation...

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    Re: Feeding Raw - Where to Start?

    Is it ok to feed one of the packaged raw patties until I read up enough to feel confident with parts of animals? I guess i'm a little squeamish, seeing as I'm vegetarian, but I really do want the best for my dog. From what I've read, the patties aren't AS good as totally raw, but it still seems to be a step up from the best kibble. My dog is only 15 pounds, and we can afford the expense. Could I supplement his raw patties a few times a week with some stuff with the bones from the butcher?

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    Re: Feeding Raw - Where to Start?

    Quote Originally Posted by EtherealJane View Post
    Is it ok to feed one of the packaged raw patties until I read up enough to feel confident with parts of animals? I guess i'm a little squeamish, seeing as I'm vegetarian, but I really do want the best for my dog. From what I've read, the patties aren't AS good as totally raw, but it still seems to be a step up from the best kibble. My dog is only 15 pounds, and we can afford the expense. Could I supplement his raw patties a few times a week with some stuff with the bones from the butcher?
    from experience, i can tell you that jumping into raw is not recommended....may i suggest that you do your research, so you and the dog don't get freaked out during transition....

    humans have a lifetime of myths and misinformation and disingenuous information and misdirection....to shake loose and our dogs also have a lifetime of kibble to get out of their systems so their digestive tracts can function on a whole new and more appropriate level....

    you could feed the patties....many do...and their dogs seem happy....

    my two cents, for what it's worth...is to read and then commit...it only seems hard in the beginning and quite frankly.....we complicate it when it is fairly simply.....not easy, but simple....

    patience is the other thing to think about...do you have that to wait to see the results. they are not instantaneous.....in the scheme of things, changes come pretty quickly....

    if you want, you could go with something like darwin's pet foods....or primal....these are grinds....that way you have some balance between the meat and bone ratio....i'd start with their chicken grinds...

    if you go prey model, you don't need veggies...

    if you go BARF model, you do...

    both companies, and i know there are others....offer a variety of each kind...

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    This is just to chime in that before you start feeding raw or any homemade food, it is important to RESEARCH and make sure your dog is getting the proper nutrition he/she needs. It is WORSE to feed your dog badly analyzed homemade dog food than kibble.

    Dr.Pitcairn's Complete Guide To Natural Health For Dogs And Cats is a book I would recommend for starters. Although there are many things in there that people can disagree on, his homemade dog food recipes are properly analyzed and is a good starting point for feeding raw.

    Also, in the book, it tells you which vitamins and minerals are found in what kinds of meat and you can eventually tailor that to your dog's needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dieterherzog View Post
    This is just to chime in that before you start feeding raw or any homemade food, it is important to RESEARCH and make sure your dog is getting the proper nutrition he/she needs. It is WORSE to feed your dog badly analyzed homemade dog food than kibble.

    Dr.Pitcairn's Complete Guide To Natural Health For Dogs And Cats is a book I would recommend for starters. Although there are many things in there that people can disagree on, his homemade dog food recipes are properly analyzed and is a good starting point for feeding raw.

    Also, in the book, it tells you which vitamins and minerals are found in what kinds of meat and you can eventually tailor that to your dog's needs.
    Dr. Pitcairn recommends a different style of feeding than let's say, Dr. Tom Lonsdale.....Lew Olson's book is coming out as well....

    There are those who believe in veggies, supplementation, those who believe in tripe, others don't.....those who believe no veggies, no supplements, just protein/organs/offal/bone/....

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    Thanks for the information. I definitely plan on researching RAW feeding more thoroughly. I will look into the book mentioned, but are there other resources out there that sum up the different RAW feeding methods well? I tried googling things like "BARF vs. prey model" and such, but wasn't finding a lot of good, accurate looking information.

    I want my dog to be happy and healthy, and just going by how he reacted to the sample (he went NUTS over the raw patty--whereas he's normally kind of "eh" about eating his kibble at home) I think it's something that he'll like better too. He got a raw bone at the vet yesterday and he was occupied for at least 30 minutes, and just one session with the bone seemed to help the tarter on his back teeth. I can see how this type of diet could really be beneficial for my dog.

    I was thinking about the patties because they are easy to prepare and that way I couldn't mess up the ratio of bones to muscle to organs. The last thing I'd want to do is mess up my dog's health in any way. My vet actually recommends feeding raw (but he's a holistic vet that is certified in traditional vet practices, as well as acupuncture and chinese herbs and isn't at all sponsored by the pet food companies). I also will be student teaching next semester, and I anticipate being rather busy. I'm already looking into cooking weekly for my husband and I and then freezing the meals to heat up during the week, so it'd be convenient if Wesley's food was simple as well. I guess that's my other practical concern--we only have one freezer, and the patties are a lot easier to store/take up less space than lots of meat on bones would.

    I will continue to do some reading, and any resources that you know of or would be willing to share would be much appreciated

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    Re: Feeding Raw - Where to Start?

    on the weekends, we prepare meals for our dogs and ourselves...

    he helps me cook (he's my sous chef LOL) and we both get proteins out for the dogs.

    i have a scale and i no longer bag things, because i never know what i'm going to feed them that day...it really is determined by the day before...and their stools or how much they ate...

    this is not exact...i mean, it can be....but i don't do this for myself...i eat healthy and i eat a variety of foods...we don't consume junk...or processed foods...

    that's my philosophy for the dogs...

    so they get a variety of proteins..in one day, they could be eating chicken, beef, pork, lamb...that is four proteins....the bone might come from chicken, the heart might come from beef, the pork might be breakfast, the lamb might be dinner...

    it's all proportioned out for them when i go to feed them.

    is it a little more work? yeah on a daily basis...i keep a polycarbonate container in the fridge, organ in baggies in the freezer....they've been cut up into weekly sizes..we do that with anything we buy in bulk..

    but, say their stools are soft on monday...i'm definitely going' to feed a little more bone on tuesday....

    in the beginning, we had little baggies with their names on it....but as they've adapted, they don't need the bone they had when we were in transition....

    their digestive systems are adapting and we're only at three months....so we're also adapting and their body shape, condition of their fur, their attitude, their energy, their stools...all tell us the entire story....dogs don't cover up...they are an open book..and whilst i might not be able to do the exact...i think i don't have to be exact...

    others do and that's fine....i balance over time.......

    good luck to you and you'll find your area of comfort....dogs are not so fragile....they lived on kibble, no?

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    Re: Feeding Raw - Where to Start?

    I just have a question about adding garlic to a meal. I have read that it is toxic but I also have read that it can neutralize gas (I bought a really good book on raw feeding called Raw & Natural Nutrition for Dogs by Lew Olson PhD). I just don't know what to believe.

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    There is a nice guideline on how much to use right in the book. Maybe try 1/2 of that amount for your dog? I liked putting a sliver in Sassy's cooked food but how do you get a raw fed dog to eat the stuff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathyy View Post
    There is a nice guideline on how much to use right in the book. Maybe try 1/2 of that amount for your dog? I liked putting a sliver in Sassy's cooked food but how do you get a raw fed dog to eat the stuff?
    by putting a sliver right on top of their food


    i have great admiration for lew olson.....i just take peeled garlic, not for every meal, though....and stick a sliver into whatever protein i'm feeding...especially on non boney days....but only about twice a month or so....i'm getting to the point where i don't think dogs need garlic.....

    what i am finding out is there are certain foods that give my dogs gas, such as mackerel, llama, and rich grass fed beef....since humans get gas....i don't see why dogs shouldn't...especially dogs who take in a lot of air when they eat....smushed face dogs would do that, as would gulpers...

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    if that's your dog in your avatar, seems to me a fist sized anything might not be in his best interests....

    personally, if it's what i think it is, i'd use them to make broth or stew for humans....

    and get shanks or lamb breast or lamb ribs for your dog...there are butchers who will give lamb trim away or sell lamb trim, which is good for your dog, although fatty....and, even though dogs and fat are good companions.....even for dogs there is such a thing as too much fat, depending on the size of the dog and the amount of fat you're feeding....can give them the runs and all that good stuff...

    if you can find somewhere to find a whole lamb cut up....that would be awesome for your dog....or if you have a co op that you can join, where members buy in bulk...

    it also sounds like you have a butcher you coulc talk to....and tell him you don't want sharp cuts or weight bearing....bones...or knuckles or soup bones....hard on a dog's teeth...

    but trim would be great....and no bone shavings off the floor, tell him : )

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    I am feeding my shih tzu Orijen, which is supposed to be one of the best dry dog foods on the market. However, I just joined this forum and came across this thread. It seems as though a lot of you believe the raw diet is better for the dog. Excuse my ignorance, but are the results night and day? I mean, I ask this because there's always those dogs that can eat Purina and Beneful all their lives and live until they're 18, and then other dogs that are given much better quality foods that don't live as long. I don't expect a dog to live longer simply because of the food they're eating. Of course, there are external circumstances that affect a dog's life. Basically, I am just wondering about this because I am feeding my dog Orijen now because I want to give my dog what's best. However, if there are a lot of people who believe the raw diet is what's "best", it may be something I have to think about.

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