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    Re: Feeding Raw - Where to Start?

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    I started the new puppy on raw. She's 8 weeks old. Anything I should know that's different about feeding a young puppy raw vs my adult dogs? I'm feeding her at about 10% of her current weight right now as I'm not quite sure what her expected adult weight is. Probably in the ballpark of 40# give or take.
    As with dry food feed multiple times a day. Be feeding at least 4x a day, approximately equal sized meals (I'd chop it into swallowable chunks do hand feeding personally as I always hand feed puppies). Around 4 months go to 3x a day. Around 6 months go to 2x a day. 10% of current weight per day is fine, and adjust as needed if she's getting too chunky or skinny.
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    Re: Feeding Raw - Where to Start?

    The Whole Dog Journal sells really great e-books on this topic. They are concise and well-researched. And they are 20% off today. Might be worth a peek. http://www.whole-dog-journal.com/sub...=T_TL#magazine

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    So it seems the ratio to aim for is 80% muscle meat: 10% bones: 5% liver: 5% other organs.
    For any raw feeders that include fruit/veg in their dogs diet, what ratio do you use to factor that in?

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    Re: Feeding Raw - Where to Start?

    Usually they are extras and if I used any would add to regulate stool consistency as much as for nutrient content, maybe 10-20% at the most. Ginger adores fruits and veggies and regularly gets trimmings that probably do add up to 10% over a week's time.

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    So let's say I feed 5-10% veg would I subtract that from the muscle meat portion. Only feed 70-75% meat?

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    No you would add it to the diet. Max got a convenient 10 ounces a day. 8 ounces meaty stuff, 1 ounce assorted organs and 1 ounce of bone. If he ate veggies I would add 1-2 ounces a day so he would now be getting 12 ounces of food a day. If he got 'fluffy' on that amount I would cut back on the total diet, not just the meat.

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    Got it. Thanks.

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    Re: Feeding Raw - Where to Start?

    We all know that there are a lot of crappy dog food on the market, but be aware that raw food diets also have risks. This risks can be minimized or avoid we you follow some basic guidelines. For those starting with raw diet I recommend you read this useful article: Top 5 FAQ’s About Raw Dog Food.

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    Re: Feeding Raw - Where to Start?

    Hi, I will try to make this as short as possible. Ok, I have a newly adopted dog Bailey. She is a 1 1/2 yr. old border collie/Pit bull mix and she weighs 50lbs. I HATE all the stuff I hear about commercial dog food. I am just recently into researching everything. I had a doberman who died at the age of 11 from an undiagnosed problem and I have a feeling it was from either commercial dog food crap, vaccines, topical flea stuff or all of the above. I am fully committed to doing better by my new dog. I just recently switched to Nature’s Variety Instinct kibble (I was using Purina One) which I feed her for breakfast. For dinner, I switched her to Deli Fresh by Freshpet. I really, really want to switch her to a raw diet, but I have no clue where/how to start, what foods to feed or not to feed, if I can afford it, etc. I’m afraid once I start I won’t know what to feed and and how much and if I am giving her the right variety of stuff. I’ve looked up raw “menus” online, but it sounds like there is so many different things that I would have to feed Bailey, that I might end up going broke. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated…

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    Re: Feeding Raw - Where to Start?

    You might try going to the raw dog ranch (google it) website. It has a lot of good info on getting started.

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    Re: Feeding Raw - Where to Start?

    Read here. http://dogfoodchat.com/forum/raw-feeding/

    Good luck, until you are sure just supplement with a nice big meaty bone once a week. My 35-45 pound dogs got a single beef rib for instance.

    Variety is important but you do not have to have 12 proteins in the freezer at all times! So long as you can feed chicken, pork and beef constantly and get beef liver and some other organ you are set.

    It is just food, not the fountain of youth. My first dog died at 17 years after being sick and fed home cooked food her last 3.5 years, first raw fed dog died at 14 after being on raw for 5.5 years and cooked for his last 6-7 months. Raw did have a number of amazing improvements for him and I don't want to feed commercial foods again.

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    Re: Feeding Raw - Where to Start?

    I have a 5.5 year old, 10 lb yorkie, super stubborn and picky. He was always grain free fed, now he eats nature’s variety instinct, with some stella and chewy sprinkled on top. This used to be enough , but lately he doesn’t eat his kibble unless I add some cheese on top and even then sometimes he only eats the cheese. He is generally healthy, he could use to lose a lb or so, but his main problem is that if he doesn’t eat every 12 hours he throws up or gets hypoglycemic. Until he was 4 years old his teeth were perfect, he chewed on his bully sticks all the time and then he stopped and we had 2 cleanings since then and he lost 3 teeth. I try to brush his teeth every night (using toothpaste on a gauze) but he hates it.
    He loves raw meat, he always begs for some when I prepare our food, and from time to time I give him some ground beef as a meal. I tried mypetcarnivore a while back, but he wouldn’t touch it, I suspect because of the added organ meat. I tried giving him raw liver, nope, he wouldn’t have it, although if I fry it a bit it’s the best thing in the world.
    So I have a super picky dog that I suspect would love to go raw, but how do I add the necessary 10% organ meat and bone to the raw meat?

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    Go ahead and cook it! My issue is kidney is stinky enough on its own, do not want to smell it cooking.

    Ginger took her sweet time with organ. I start organ by cutting a pound into daily amounts. In her case that was 1/4 ounce. Freeze those tiny bits on a cookie sheet and pop into a plastic bag for storage. To start I took out a single bit and shaved it into toothpicks. She got one in her dish. First day she was horrified that that nasty thing was there and did her best to not even touch it. Other dog ate it. Next day she sniffed it, other dog ate it. 3rd day she touched it 4th day picked it up and threw it 5th day mouthed it 6th day chewed gingerly and spit it out and rolled in it [knew the game was up when she rolled on it!] and finally swallowed it on about the 7th day. None of the other went to waste as other dog happily ate it but even if I tossed it it would have been about 1 ounce in the garbage. So don't give up. Just leave it with the dog and in time maybe he will try it. After she was used to that first organ, pork kidney?, she was quicker to try new organs. I go through the tiny bit a day routine for the first few organs then go right to a full serving after that.

    Max was a bigger dog that had regular bile vomiting on kibble. I controlled it with a bed time snack and that usually worked out well. On raw he completely stopped. Maybe this will help your little guy. Do feed him twice a day anyway.

    Ginger came here fat with the worst looking teeth ever. On raw she managed to clean up all but one molar so she went under for a cleaning. It turned out to be rotted and was pulled. Last year she developed a slab fracture on another carnassial that turned into an abscess and it was removed as well. Raw will not help with canines much, they will stay yellow at the gum line unless you are able to offer up raw meaty bones where the dog bites down to the bone and rips off the meat. Usually that happens if you are able to offer a huge bony chunk like a whole leg of lamb.

    It took her a good year to go from an obese 19.5 pounds down to a slim 13.5. What seems to help the most is getting a big meal that's hard to eat. Today the dogs happily chewed on elk femurs for hours. Lots of work for not much food, seems to do the trick.

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    That's a great idea, I will try with liver first, then kidney, and hopefully everything else will go smoothly. I also plan on getting some small rib bones and chicken wings and let him chew on them. I will use a towel and hopefully I can teach him to eat on it, but I guess I have to wash his paws after each meal, right? We have carpet and that doesn't go very well with dirty paws...

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    Re: Feeding Raw - Where to Start?

    You can try. I gave up but I have a pretty good set up here. If you have a crate then take the pad out to feed him. I use an exercise pen on tile in the house or just give the dogs the bone outside. If I had to I'd buy/ find something fairly stiff because towels just get all scrunched up as the dog works on the meal and would be fairly disgusting to reuse. 14 towels a week is a lot of extra laundry! A piece of plastic carpet runner?

    My dogs only get dirty paws when they have a big bone that takes a long time to chew. Chicken ribs get chomped, flipped in the mouth, chomped some more then swallowed once pulverized enough to go down the throat.

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    Re: Feeding Raw - Where to Start?

    Pardon me, but I have limited access to butchers and need to get my bigger dog a beef RMB. What is the proper term for the right size of beef rib for a twelve pound nine month old Chihuahua/Terrier? She has no idea how little she is and chicken necks go too fast.

    Yes, this is a serious question because I don't eat meat, cook it for other humans,and might as well be a child when it comes to "everybody (that isn't me)knows" methods of safely handling and purchasing meat and dairy products. My dogs get prepared raw foods (Stella & Chewy's or Instinct) for their main diet, but I need to stretch it out a bit for financial reasons and would rather use my brain and the butcher than just buy cheap kibble. They aren't THAT big and don't eat particularly much for dogs.

    I am also interested in learning more about non-meat sources of protein in light of the current concerns linking DCM to grain-free dog food. My dogs do get little bites of legumes and other "people foods" like grains, vegetables, fruit, etc. because dogs are such foodies that it's a fun novelty to share food with my best buddies after many years of being a die-hard cat person.

    It would have been nice if I could have safely fed them a low-meat or no-meat diet, but I just want "healthy" right now.
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    My 13 pound adult dogs get the ribs from beef rib roast. I'll cut the meat from between the ribs to feed for another meal as otherwise it's still too much meat for them. They get the whole rib and I toss the leftover bone once the soft stuff is stripped and they aren't interested in chewing it any longer. Usually half the weight goes into the trash. I do not care to feed short ribs as both ends are cut and sharp. Bones with natural joints are more fun and safer.

    If you want the dog to eat all the bone then look at pork and lamb bone instead. My little dogs easily eat nearly all the pork and lamb bone offered from the large arm bones in shoulder roasts to the skinnier ribs.

    It's far more bone than they need so I feed boneless meals before and after and feed organ with the bone.

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    Re: Feeding Raw - Where to Start?

    Kathyy, thank you so much. I'm mostly sticking to poultry because of the size of my dogs and my own lack of experience in the butcher's section but that isn't healthy for them in the long run. I found beef necks, which Chocolate loved, but then I read that she could break a tooth from that and went back to the overpriced beef bones at the pet store.

    I'm going to check the sale flyers for rib and shoulder roasts now that I'm getting more adventurous. They get mostly prepared raw right now, but the expense is hard to justify when I've got a perfectly good brain, a butcher's section at the grocery store, and local farmers with humanely raised grass fed beef for sale.

    I am also interested in whole prey for the Chihuahua mixes, since that has been such an easy route to go with the new kitten. Of course she took to feeder mice very easily since she came from a feral colony. Chocolate spent three happy days eating a chicken back so I'm thinking quail or else a very small chicken. If anything, I give them too much bone, but I don't have a very good stash of organ meat in my freezer just yet so whole prey would be an easy way to avoid imbalances.

    I have a lot to learn but my dogs are worth it.

    Another question: the turkey roast in my freezer contains up to 7% of a solution of water, salt, and sodium phosphate. Is that safe to feed my animals? It doesn't say "boneless" on the package so I'm assuming that it's just muscle meat.
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    Check the nutrition box. If the sodium content is 100 mg per serving then it's usually okay. If over sometimes it upsets the dog's stomach. I've fed such stuff, just make it part of the meal and pretend that rinsing takes off some of the solution.

    There's no problem feeding chicken for bone for a dog's life. It's boring and doesn't do much for dental health is all.

    Any beef bone can break teeth, the leg bones are the very worst. Avoid them if you are concerned. With the pork, lamb and beef you want the dog to get a really big one [relative to the dog's size] and pull/chew off the soft stuff before starting to gnaw on the soft edges of the bone. With a beef neck I'd expect to throw away the large disc in the middle and the dog would have a blast working the spines. If I gave my dogs cut beef steak bone I'd expect them to try to crunch it like chicken bone and that would be a tooth breaking hazard more than the large beef necks because they can get the whole thing into the mouth. So get the neck before the counter guy whacks it into pot sized bits and toss steak and chop bones. The 2x2" cubes they want to give you are more than tooth hazards, they are swallowing hazards as well.

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    Re: Feeding Raw - Where to Start?

    I've got a regular, local source for kidneys now and a food scale on the way.

    The muscle meat in my freezer may not be the greatest but it will feed my <10 lb dogs for a long time now and give my checkbook a chance to recover. I have a whole chicken that I broke up yesterday and the turkey roast, which I assume is boneless.

    Since Laurel will be a full year tomorrow and Chocolate next month, I don't think I need to get any bonemeal powder for them. I have turkey necks, which I've been giving them once a week. When it's chicken necks or feet, they get two or more a week.

    Does that sound about right? I will probably alternate prepared for one day and homemade for the next at first. They also like grains, so I have been giving them a spoonful or an ice cube sized quantity of rice cooked as recommended by Pat McKay in her book Reigning Cats and Dogs stirred into the prepared raw rather than kibble, which is mostly grains anyway but not the organic wholegrains I buy for myself.
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