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    kathyy, that is how we use SEB....also. it's a go to for gastro enteritis, not the occasional soft stool....agreed.

    it took us a while, but now i like having three or four proteins in the fridge so they can have variety....

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    Thanks Kathyy &MagicRe for explaining the use of SEB. Yes, that's my intention too.
    And I thought we given up ice cream to make space for Charly's food was big deal (to us)... Things we do :-)

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    I can get an excellent price on lamb hearts from a local organic producer. Sasha hasn't had lamb before. Are there concerns about her getting quite a bit of lamb heart once I ease her on to it? Would including chicken wings, chicken feet and whole eggs provide the balance she needs?
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    for the past weeks, Charly had goat heart and also lamb heart. He loves it. His diet already consists of beef heart, pork heart and chicken heart, so far no problem with the new proteins. The goat heart did come with a layer of fat (or fatty tissue?) on it. I feed almost half of his diet with heart, along with other RMB.

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    heart good. lamb heart, pork heart, beef heart, goat heart. all good.

    as you get into your raw feeding, the less chicken fed, the better. chicken is good for edible bone. breast meat is for humans. dark meat for dogs....

    carcass for dogs. good.

    but feeding red meats, which include game meats...that's what dogs need more than anything.

    heart is usually found more cheaply than other cuts from different animals......and that's fine. it's a little powerhouse of nutrients.

    but. having said that, over time, feed as many proteins as you can afford, even if it is in tiny bits....remember. balance over time. not in one day

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    Forgot to mention, I also started feeding duck neck :-) much better size than chicken neck. Will get turkey neck next time as I understand it is even bigger!!
    I even got the cheeky bugger cow pens/tripe.. Bought a 1kg minced package and a 3kg whole pens. Knowing my dog i started with 1kg bag.. He didn't like it!! He ate it but wasn't crazy about it.. Now I will keep the 3kg pens in the freezer as I don't want to keep the smelly stuff in the fridge too long once thawed.. I was kind of hoping he would love it as I can also get whole lamb pens!! I think I need to wait till winter that's when he eats a lot more of everything.. :-/
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    LOL....my friend is able to get penis and his dog loves it.....i wish i could get it....

    i do love duck necks. and prefer them to chicken necks....although they are a little fattier than other necks.....i just cut a little off and save it for other times, like goat..which is lean and rabbit, too.

    feed the penis tripe with other tripes....freeze it in small amounts. tripe only needs to be fed a table spoon or two at a time..it's kind of like a vitamin to me.....a supplement....lots feed it as a whole meal. i don't as it makes my dogs throw up ....they don't have iron guts...

    i would divide the 3 kgs into more manageable sizes and pull it out when you want to feed it along with another meal.

    you're really getting into these proteins....i'm so glad for both of you.

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    Thanks, MagicRe!!

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    Wow thanks for all these resources. I hope I wont get confused to use few for my Tina, she is just 2 years old.

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    Re: Feeding Raw - Where to Start?

    I I started with Dog Raw Diet Calculator. The ideal app for dog owners with an interest in raw diets. https://play.google.com/store/search...ietExperts.com . Here is a diet http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/320...shot586546.jpg for my Border Collie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamsipowicz View Post
    I I started with Dog Raw Diet Calculator. The ideal app for dog owners with an interest in raw diets. https://play.google.com/store/search...ietExperts.com . Here is a diet http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/320...shot586546.jpg for my Border Collie.
    Interesting. Why cook the fish, and why include veggie mix? Isn't it easier to get what's available instead of seeking out such specific things, or do you put in what you have available?

    Also you do not need to feed twice a day. Puppies do need to eat more often but adult dogs over a year old (or maybe a bit older for giant breeds) are fine on once a day.
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    Interesting. Why cook the fish, and why include veggie mix? Isn't it easier to get what's available instead of seeking out such specific things, or do you put in what you have available?

    Also you do not need to feed twice a day. Puppies do need to eat more often but adult dogs over a year old (or maybe a bit older for giant breeds) are fine on once a day.
    I asked my vet about about vegetables and cooked fish. He told me that a small amount of vegetables (10%) is recommended. Raw fish may be infected with the Neorickettsia helminthoeca parasite causes Salmon poisoning disease (SPD) in dogs. I generally do't give fish to dogs. My dogs eat a little more raw beef or beef green triple. When it comes to veggie mix my dogs eat a carrot or an apple every other day.

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    that particular parasite is found in salmon from the pacific northwest. i do not recommend feeding alaskan or PNW salmon.

    atlantic salmon is farmed, so its nutritional value is already in question as would other fish which is farmed, such as tilapia.

    but fish that has been frozen properly, such as sardines, herring, mackerel and anchovies are excellent sources of omega threes.

    i believe your vet is mis informed about dogs needing vegetables. dogs are not omnivores. they are carnivores.

    carrots and apples, particularly are very high in sugar. dogs do not have the ability to break it down. the sugar hurts their teeth.

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    That's only a concern with wild-caught salmonids in the Pacific Northwest of the United States. "Salmonids" includes salmon of course (see pic) but also trout, whitefish, grayling, and char. These specific fish in this specific location from southern Alaska to mid California may have the parasite responsible for salmon poisoning. Freezing the fish solid will again kill the parasite. One week of freezing is surely enough, but 2 weeks is what I would personally do. ANY wild-caught meat of any kind should be frozen for at least a week to kill parasites.


    Be aware of mercury levels too.


    Dogs do not need veggies as long as they are being fed a proper varied raw diet. The only way they can get any nutrition out of them is if they are pureed and cooked.

    And they are not omnivores, the are carnivores. They eat animals. They have teeth and a digestive system designed for meat, not plants. We all know they have pointy canines, but even in the back of their mouth their teeth are designed like scissors to cut, not flat surfaces for grinding plant matter.


    That said, classification is somewhat BS. Giant Pandas are also classified as carnivores but they eat bamboo and no meat at all. Regardless, dogs are designed to eat meat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrenchBasset View Post
    Forgot to mention, I also started feeding duck neck :-) much better size than chicken neck. Will get turkey neck next time as I understand it is even bigger!!
    I even got the cheeky bugger cow pens/tripe.. Bought a 1kg minced package and a 3kg whole pens. Knowing my dog i started with 1kg bag.. He didn't like it!! He ate it but wasn't crazy about it.. Now I will keep the 3kg pens in the freezer as I don't want to keep the smelly stuff in the fridge too long once thawed.. I was kind of hoping he would love it as I can also get whole lamb pens!! I think I need to wait till winter that's when he eats a lot more of everything.. :-/
    how's everything going?

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    I recomend Raw and Natural Nutrition for dogs by Lew Olsan as its a great book with tones of home made recipes, great ideas, helpfull info and a great way to get started. I used to feed prize choice but was told that it was quite anemic looking which I didn't understand until I left it in the fridge over night, came to collect the next day to find it had drained of blood over night! If your in the UK many owners recomend Durham Animal Feeds suppliers to get your meat from or The Dog Food Company are pretty good.

    I chose to feed my dog on complete raw so I now I feed her Natural Instinct its all ready made up and excellent human grade quality meat for an affordable price. Becarefull when selecting meals though as some are filled out with chicken. Their lamb meals contain 40% chicken but are sold for the price of lamb! She also gets natures menue nuggets and the occasional butchers bones for almost nothing.

    I have also used Basil's Fine Foods which is excellent but expensive stuff yet again human grade quality meats the only reason we can't eat them is because of the bone content. Feeding complete is the hassle free way to feeding your dog raw a great way to give your dog something tastey without the fuss. You CAN change your dogs food at any time you like provided your dog doesn't have an issue with it's food being changed around as some dogs can get upset tummies if your change their food without carefully introducing the new stuff first but many dogs are happy to try something new.

    SOME dogs may take a while to adapt to being fed raw especially if their used to being fed kibble/tins. Chicken is a gentle meat to get them started and whenever you choose to feed bones you should all ways keep an eye on them. Most dogs will happily chomp down bones without any issues. Dogs are of course carnivores and thus designed to eat meat . I believe that many commercial brands do not supply a high enough meat content to provide a well balanced meal and don't propperly lable what is in their tins.

    All ways do your research before you change your dogs diet as you could do them more harm then good!

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    ^For organ 5% should always be liver, and 5% other like kidney, spleen, brain, or pancreas. Heart and lung are fed as meat not organ.
    A lot of what you listed is boney, so make sure you're feeding around the 80% meat guideline (after the initial adjustment which is often higher in bone content to keep stools firm). You can find the bone content on the USDA website. Search for an item, click Full Report, and the "Refuse" will tell you how much bone there is. Chicken wings and necks are often not good to feed as stand alone items because they are so small. If attached to the rest of the bird or a bigger chunk it's fine. If your dog will chomp them up as individual parts, fine, but use care as they are the perfect size for a dog to try to swallow it whole.

    It's better to continue feeding the the proteins your dog is already used to and adding to that, instead of completely switching from one to the next. I'm not sure if that's what you were implying or not.
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    I have a husky/ golden lab mix and she eats raw food. The only thing that you have to pay attention to is that they tend to want to go to the bathroom more. Also I have to limit how much she eats because too many raw foods will start her to gain more weight later down the road when she gets older.

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    Hello I have a question. Over the past two weeks I have been using the raw diet threads on this forum as well as other websites as a guide for switching my dog to raw. So far so good, no stomach issues or problems adjusting. The reason I decided to try is because my dog has always had chronic skin issues. He gets rashes, welts, looses large patches of fur, gets lots of dandruff etc. I've tried tried special foods, special shampoos, sprays, products from his vet, all these things have helped with managing it but it does not get rid of it. Will switching to raw improve these problems? He doesn't have any other medical issues that could be causing this, its just the way he's been since he was a pup.

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