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    King bettas?

    What ARE king bettas? There seems to be so little known about giant and king bettas out there. I am trying to do research but there's just nothing out there.

    I'm just curious since Monstro is pretty obviously massive. He's from Petco and is a 'king betta'. I tried to eyeball measure him with a ruler through the glass and he is roughly 3+ inches long, not including his tail. Roughly 2 times the size of my normal bettas. He is super active and just such an impressive fish to watch swim around. I don't know how much of it is the fact he's a plakat or how much is that he's a king but he's just a very different kind of fish compared to my past bettas. I'm pretty sure the rest of my bettas will be kings or giants. I'm just hooked.

    Anyone else ever had one?
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    Re: King bettas?

    King bettas meet the description and measurement requirements to be called plakats, a fin-and-tail type most often associated with wild strains. All species of betta, including the popular Siamese fighting fish, or betta splendens, display the plakat fin and tail type unless they have been selectively bred for different finnage. Plakat bettas have short, tight fins, strong bodies, and are generally considered to be less aggressive than long-finned varieites.

    Got this from some random website but from my knowledge not true about their aggressiveness. My parents are from the area of asia where there are wild betta, and my dad actually bred them many years here in the US. Most of the betta he bred were large (the body without fins), and very aggressive and called Plakat, which is why I dont think what that website I pulled that quote from is right. Anyways, I've never heard of the "king betta" other than reading it on a few websites after I read your post- and it looks like it came from distributors (the name). The betta that I know of that old asian folks bred ( yes they did breed for fighting, I dont agree with it but they've done it since before I was born and still do it in asia ) were either called round tails or long tails. Thats what they called it and didnt use any other names for it. I know how to breed and raise them but thats about all I know about bettas, and that most people preferred the ones with the round tails because it was less of a target.

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    Re: King bettas?

    Quote Originally Posted by l2andom View Post
    Got this from some random website but from my knowledge not true about their aggressiveness. My parents are from the area of asia where there are wild betta, and my dad actually bred them many years here in the US. Most of the betta he bred were large (the body without fins), and very aggressive and called Plakat, which is why I dont think what that website I pulled that quote from is right. Anyways, I've never heard of the "king betta" other than reading it on a few websites after I read your post- and it looks like it came from distributors (the name). The betta that I know of that old asian folks bred ( yes they did breed for fighting, I dont agree with it but they've done it since before I was born and still do it in asia ) were either called round tails or long tails. Thats what they called it and didnt use any other names for it. I know how to breed and raise them but thats about all I know about bettas, and that most people preferred the ones with the round tails because it was less of a target.
    I've just read so many theories. They're half giants. They're giants. They're just old plakats. They're given growth hormones. They're fighting bred plakats. They're just normal plakats. They're a hybrid of species. Etc. To name a few.

    My King betta is extremely aggressive. He's fine with bottom dwelling types of fish (with dwarf cories now). He flares up pretty easy though and has eaten off all the shrimp I initially put in his tank.

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    Re: King bettas?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laurelin View Post
    I've just read so many theories. They're half giants. They're giants. They're just old plakats. They're given growth hormones. They're fighting bred plakats. They're just normal plakats. They're a hybrid of species. Etc. To name a few.

    My King betta is extremely aggressive. He's fine with bottom dwelling types of fish (with dwarf cories now). He flares up pretty easy though and has eaten off all the shrimp I initially put in his tank.

    Yeah I actually think they are fighting bred plakats IMO. When I was in asia, and even here in america, the old asian men who bred them actually had ways of exercising them. That and selective breeding I think resulted in the bigger size and more aggressive fish. My dad, and many others, bred specifically for larger heads/lips(mouth) and a more muscular bodies. We used to have hundreds at a time and my dad would breed them and sell them. May sound bad but the ones he didnt want/keep/sell he fed them to bigger fish in our other tanks O_O.

    edit: but I guess fish eating fish is kind of a natural thing. /shrugs

    2nd edit: also if you want a free, easy, and very nutritious way to feed your betta you can use mosquito larvae. My dad would leave a bucket of lake or pond water sitting for a long time until there were mosquito larvae in it and he would strain them out and repeat. You can freeze them into the ice cube trays and have an endless free supply of food. First time trying to get some larvae initially is kind of confusing though.
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    Re: King bettas?

    I've heard about the mosquito larvae before. Right now he's getting frozen and pellet food.

    Here's a body pic but it was the first day I got him. He's grown since then.

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    Re: King bettas?

    King bettas are just bettas that have been selectively bred for size. The gene is partially dominant, so a half giant will be larger than the average betta, but smaller than a full giant.

    Never had one myself, but I have imported show bettas from Thailand and breed them, so I do know a little something about bettas and their genetics.

    And erm... Are you sure your giant is a male?

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    Re: King bettas?

    King Plakats are a larger strain of PK bred specifically for Petco. They are not Giants nor do they have any giant genetics. Basically put if you breed two Kings you will get normal sized PKs. The term "fighter plakat" generally is used for "wild" colored bettas who are bred for aggressiveness instead of fin shape/color. I don't think Petco Kings are derived from fighter pks but I guess one could argue that all domestic bettas are derived from fighting fish.

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    Re: King bettas?

    Yes, he's definitely a male. When I first got him there were a lot of people that said he looked like a girl. I guess he's just a pretty boy.

    Here's some pics from today. My crap camera doesn't capture his color at all. He's still that blue but he does seem to have a bit more red wash than he used to.

    This one I accidentally used the flash. I need to clean the outside of the tank lol.



    And without it he looks black.



    So... are they half giant or...? How big are true giants? Like I said, this guy is approximately 3 inches body length. But he's very thick compared to my past bettas.

    Quote Originally Posted by pittsabowawa View Post
    King Plakats are a larger strain of PK bred specifically for Petco. They are not Giants nor do they have any giant genetics. Basically put if you breed two Kings you will get normal sized PKs. The term "fighter plakat" generally is used for "wild" colored bettas who are bred for aggressiveness instead of fin shape/color. I don't think Petco Kings are derived from fighter pks but I guess one could argue that all domestic bettas are derived from fighting fish.
    So if you breed two Kings you get regular plakats? Then how do you get more Kings? I'm confused. Is yours very aggressive? Monstro is a really mean little fish.

    Do you like your King? I just adore mine so much more than my other fish. By the way, I've never seen a King that wasn't either black or red before. Also how big is Poe? He looks smaller than Monstro by quite a bit or Jasper is bigger than Fish was (RIP)
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    Re: King bettas?

    I don't know enough about petco to comment on that, but I know that the term king betta is also used about giant bettas. Most breeders just call them giants, but I know some pet store like to call them king bettas.

    The giant gene is dominant, so breeding giants will produce more giants. I don't see how breeding two big fish will produce normal sized fry tho, but like I said I don't know enough about petco. I had never heard that they breed their own strain of large bettas until just now.

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    Re: King bettas?

    Poe is about 2.5 inches not including fins. I'm not sure how old he is so he may continue to grow. A true giant can get up to 5 inches. The largest reported by Dr. Gene Lucas (founder of the IBC) was 7inches but seeing as no pictures of the fish have ever surfaced that may not be true. Giants grow slower than regular bettas but they should be full grown around 18 months old, the ones sold on Aquabid are young and are usually around 2.5 inches when sold.

    Here's some reading on Giants

    http://www.bettysplendens.com/articl...o=ArtDate+DESC

    Here's a couple threads on Kings from one of my forums. I miss-spoke earlier.. breeding kings will give you some larger fish but they still aren't classified as giants.
    http://www.ultimatebettas.com/index....ic=31749&st=40

    http://www.ultimatebettas.com/index.php?showtopic=54538

    http://www.ultimatebettas.com/index.php?showtopic=54913

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    Re: King bettas?

    Awesome pictures . I wish I had taken pics of my dad's bettas. I was only given 2 betta's from my father, one was a white/pink colored one the other was a solid dark blue one. Both were also very large and aggressive also. And from the pics ( i couldnt see them earlier because of work blockage), my fathers looked more like laurelins, and those were the bodytype/headshape? he kept. I know its bad to watch/make animals fight, but the amount of work, time, training, selection, and breeding they put their fish through was quite impressive seeing it firsthand in asia and at home where my father bred them.

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    Re: King bettas?

    I have heard from betta lovers on other sites that King Bettas are not B. Slpendens, they're B. Raja. I don't know if that's right but I'm inclined to think so.

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    Re: King bettas?

    It's not correct. B. raja is a completely different species and does not look anything like the King Bettas sold in pet stores. B. raja is also primarily mouthbrooding and no known crosses between B. raja and B. splendens has ever occurred and I doubt it would considering they are not from the same complex.

    King bettas are merely selectively bred short fin domesticated splendens that grow larger than their regular sized counter parts.

    Examples

    This is B. raja


    And there are pictures of king bettas eariler in this thread.

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    Re: King bettas?

    Quote Originally Posted by pittsabowawa View Post
    Poe is about 2.5 inches not including fins. I'm not sure how old he is so he may continue to grow. A true giant can get up to 5 inches. The largest reported by Dr. Gene Lucas (founder of the IBC) was 7inches but seeing as no pictures of the fish have ever surfaced that may not be true. Giants grow slower than regular bettas but they should be full grown around 18 months old, the ones sold on Aquabid are young and are usually around 2.5 inches when sold.

    Here's some reading on Giants

    http://www.bettysplendens.com/articl...o=ArtDate+DESC

    Here's a couple threads on Kings from one of my forums. I miss-spoke earlier.. breeding kings will give you some larger fish but they still aren't classified as giants.
    http://www.ultimatebettas.com/index....ic=31749&st=40

    http://www.ultimatebettas.com/index.php?showtopic=54538

    http://www.ultimatebettas.com/index.php?showtopic=54913
    You're on UB too? What's your username? I'm shadowtheblacklab, I've been on there for four years.

    Kings tend to be older, larger plakat males. They aren't considered giants or half giants.
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    Re: King bettas?

    Hey Shadow! I'm 1fish2fish :-D

    It's really nice to see you on this forum!

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