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    I got up last night and my male cat (that is 2 and has been fixed) had peed in my tub and it was bloody. While trying to clean it up (at 2am) he jumped up and peed in my sink and it too was very bloody.

    To make a long story short, my vet said he had feline lower urinary tract disorder? She said that it is were cats develope these crystals in their bladder and in male cats can be very life threatening. She put him on some prescription cat food (made by Hills ) and told me to give him lots of water and watch him to be sure he is still going pee enough. I guess these crystals can block a male cats ureatha (sp?) and they can die within 24 hours of this happening.

    Has anyone else ever had a cat that had this? I am a little freaked out by the whole thing.
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    Re: Male cat with lower UTI/ UTD??

    Oh yeah. Male cats that get blocked is a VERY serious thing, and sometimes difficult to treat, if the blockage is bad enough. It blocks in all the bad stuff that's supposed to go out with the urine, and makes them very, very ill.

    I haven't personally had a cat with this (we only have had two male cats my entire life), but I have helped un-block a blacked male tom...man, that was a tense couple of hours, trying to get a tube up his blocked urethra...We finally did, though, and he was okay after we got everything working in him right again.

    You're going to want to keep a close eye on him for a while. It's not uncommon for this to reoccur within a couple of months.

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    As of right now, he is still peeing a LOT of blood and refuses to eat the Rx food. I am scared he is going to have another issue while I am asleep. I think I am going to lock him in the bathroom with his litter box tonight. I figure this way I will be able to see how much he is peeing.
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    Re: Male cat with lower UTI/ UTD??

    I've been fortunate so far; none of my boys have ever had any issues. But evidently it's very common. I'd recommend joining a cat forum (The Cat Site is good) for more advice. Most of the experienced people recommend NOT using the RX food, but instead putting him on a diet of canned food only (keeps his water intake up). Except fish flavored canned food can make it worse. Even cheap canned food is better than a good dry food, just because he really needs that water. Getting a cat drinking fountain can entice cats to drink more, too.

    I hope he feels better soon! It must be so uncomfortable for the poor guys.
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    Did you try mixing the Rx food (is it U/d?) with his old food? Maybe that might help. Or maybe he's just a little freaked out, too, and too stressed to eat?

    Good idea, though. That's always a great thing to do when you're worried about a UTI/UTD. =) If he starts peeing a lot less, with straining, you'll need to rush him back in. You'll know he's having a problem if there's litlle piddles, rather than his normal puddles.

    I hope for the best for you guys. =) Keep us updated!

    Edit~ Very good advice from Willowy, about both the wet food AND the water fountain. Oh, and the forum. XD

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    That is the biggest problem I am having with him, he doesn't like can food, he never has. I am really not sure why, but he likes dry cat food.

    I am going to check out a cat forum, thanks for the advice!
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    Re: Male cat with lower UTI/ UTD??

    I had a cat that did that and it ended up being to much ash content in his dry kibble .... Meow mix was the culprit ....

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    Re: Male cat with lower UTI/ UTD??

    Quote Originally Posted by Angie's Bella View Post
    As of right now, he is still peeing a LOT of blood and refuses to eat the Rx food. I am scared he is going to have another issue while I am asleep. I think I am going to lock him in the bathroom with his litter box tonight. I figure this way I will be able to see how much he is peeing.
    Did the vet not give you antibiotics for him? If not, get him back in, or to another vet so he can be treated. Diet alone won't help if it's far enough along that he's peeing blood.

    My old family cat had this, and it was irreversible by the time we knew he had an infection and was PTS. My friends cat also died from this in January. He was peeing blood (sometimes just pink colored), then it seemed to "go away". The problem is, if it isn't treated, the toxins cause their kidneys to fail. My friends boy died within 2 weeks of the first sign of blood in the urine.
    My vet tells anyone with a cat that is peeing blood, get them to a vet ASAP. The sooner you can start treatment, the better chance your cat will live, cause after a certain point, there's nothing they can do but euthanize.

    Also, peeing in tubs/sinks (and other unusual places) is a classic sign (even if there is no blood) that the cat has an infection, and it's hurting them to urinate. The reason they pee outside of the litterbox, is that the associate the actual box with the pain, since it only hurts when they "go" in there. So they try to find alternate places to pee, that maybe won't hurt as much.

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    Re: Male cat with lower UTI/ UTD??

    I did take him to the vet yestuday morning and she put him on antibiotics in addition to the Rx food. The bad thing is is that he will only eat the dry Rx food and not the can food. She got a urine sample from him and I should know what that said in the next hour or so. I don't know, he is still peeing A LOT of blood. We had blood in both tubs and in all 3 sinks when we got up this morning, as well as in and around his litter box. He acts like he feels ok, not great, but ok. He is up and following me around, so I guess that is a good sign. And he is peeing, so that is a good sign too.
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    Re: Male cat with lower UTI/ UTD??

    Did you have any xrays taken of you little guy. Sometimes they can have stones develop from the crystals and that can cause a lot of blood in the urine. Some times the vet can see the stones/ crystals in the urethra that may cause a blockage. I would make sure he is getting the best help he can get.

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    I had a male cat that had this happen to him. I hope your boy will be ok. Please keep us updated.

    I'd like to add more, but anything else I say on this topic will turn out either mad or depressed.



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    Re: Male cat with lower UTI/ UTD??

    I think my kitty has turned the corner he seems to be feeling much better. I am not sure is her still has a lot of blood or not because he is using his litter box and not my sink and tub (praise the Lord!) but he is still peeing. I will have the rest of the results from his UA back today and we will know which kind of crystal he is harvesting.

    Thank you everyone for all your kind words and thoughts! I appreciate it more than you know!
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    Re: Male cat with lower UTI/ UTD??

    Keep a close eye on him. I had a cat who had this and eventually died from it. We went through many treatments for UTI, and one time he didn't pull through it. I was used to going through the drill but when he normally got better, he didn't.

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    Re: Male cat with lower UTI/ UTD??

    I am planning on asking my vet when she calls today, but is this something that he will always have from here on out? I know that my vet referred to it as a "syndrome", does that mean that it will always be there and we will just have to treat the symptoms when they arise or can this be treated and it will go away?
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    Re: Male cat with lower UTI/ UTD??

    With my cat, it went away for periods of time but it was frequently recurring. He usually had some bout with it each year. I switched foods and did some things like had the faucet constantly dripping (which is like a game for cats to encourage them to drink more) and even started shooting a little water down his throat each night, per vet instructions.

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    Wow, I really hate to hear that. I have one of those cat fountains ordered (recommended by my vet) and I have him on the Hill's Rx food (also recommended by my vet) and really she said that at this point there really isn't anything else we can do but wait and watch. She also put him on an antibiotic although, there is no infection showing yet.

    I don't know, I hate the unknown!! I want to hear, yes, we can do this and he will get better, or, no, there is really nothing we can do. But to tell me we will just have to wait and see, eer... I hate that!
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    Re: Male cat with lower UTI/ UTD??

    I did not see this because I rarely look at this part of the forum but here goes:

    Male cats can get this. It is due to the Urine Ph clmbing too high. Acidic urine is less prone to both bacterial infection and crystal formation. There are two kinds of crystals. One is Struvite Crystals and this is the most common problem. Decreasing urine Ph helps with these. The crystals can cause a blockage and a kitty who does not use his litter bos, goes and tries to pee and cries or produces no pee is an Emergency situation. A bolcked cat must be unblocked within 12 hours of the blockage or the back up will cause kidney failure and the cat will die. I consider a male cat with bloody urine to be an E Vet situation.

    The other kind of Crystal that can form are Oxalate Crystals. These get WORSE with Rx cat food and typical treatments. Increasing the urine acidity will often increase Crystal formation.

    You need to knwo what crystal your vet found. Oxalate Crystals are not as common and are more frequently a Persian Cat problem.

    I had a cat who had this problem for years. He was on Rx diet and on urine acidifier pills and as long as he was not stressed (stress will increase urine Ph in cats) he was fine. Well, they quit making the urine Acidifier so he ended up on a maintenance dose of Baytril (the most common drug for treating feline UTI's). He took Baytril for YEARS and it was not costly and he was OK.

    Once you get kitty back to normal you may want to try a grain free cat food over the Rx cat food. I feed Evo to my cats (canned and dry). You have to feed very little dry because it is very high in calories and fat cats are not healthy cats. Wellness Grain Free is another good choice.

    Cats are desert animals and get most of their moisture from their food. the mechanism that tells a cat to drink is not well developed in some cats. Wet food gets more moisture in the cat so he makes more pee which is good. However, getting a cat to eat wet food can be a challenge.

    Holding Urine due to stress, dirty cat box etc. can cause a UTI.

    Another thing of utmost important with cats is to keep the litter box clean and to have one more litter box than the number of cats. Two cats = three litter boxes. When you have cats a rule of thumb is to keep the "bathroom" clean (I clean boxes 2x a day) and you can never have too many bathrooms in the house if you have cats!

    There are things you can do to help insure this does not happen again. Some cats, like mine was, are chronic while others are not.

    BTW some cats eat wet food better if it is warmed a little and water is added. Some cats drink more water if you warm it and offer it warm 1X or 2X a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elana55 View Post
    I did not see this because I rarely look at this part of the forum but here goes:

    Male cats can get this. It is due to the Urine Ph clmbing too high. Acidic urine is less prone to both bacterial infection and crystal formation. There are two kinds of crystals. One is Struvite Crystals and this is the most common problem. Decreasing urine Ph helps with these. The crystals can cause a blockage and a kitty who does not use his litter bos, goes and tries to pee and cries or produces no pee is an Emergency situation. A bolcked cat must be unblocked within 12 hours of the blockage or the back up will cause kidney failure and the cat will die. I consider a male cat with bloody urine to be an E Vet situation.

    The other kind of Crystal that can form are Oxalate Crystals. These get WORSE with Rx cat food and typical treatments. Increasing the urine acidity will often increase Crystal formation.

    You need to knwo what crystal your vet found. Oxalate Crystals are not as common and are more frequently a Persian Cat problem.

    I had a cat who had this problem for years. He was on Rx diet and on urine acidifier pills and as long as he was not stressed (stress will increase urine Ph in cats) he was fine. Well, they quit making the urine Acidifier so he ended up on a maintenance dose of Baytril (the most common drug for treating feline UTI's). He took Baytril for YEARS and it was not costly and he was OK.

    Once you get kitty back to normal you may want to try a grain free cat food over the Rx cat food. I feed Evo to my cats (canned and dry). You have to feed very little dry because it is very high in calories and fat cats are not healthy cats. Wellness Grain Free is another good choice.

    Cats are desert animals and get most of their moisture from their food. the mechanism that tells a cat to drink is not well developed in some cats. Wet food gets more moisture in the cat so he makes more pee which is good. However, getting a cat to eat wet food can be a challenge.

    Holding Urine due to stress, dirty cat box etc. can cause a UTI.

    Another thing of utmost important with cats is to keep the litter box clean and to have one more litter box than the number of cats. Two cats = three litter boxes. When you have cats a rule of thumb is to keep the "bathroom" clean (I clean boxes 2x a day) and you can never have too many bathrooms in the house if you have cats!

    There are things you can do to help insure this does not happen again. Some cats, like mine was, are chronic while others are not.

    BTW some cats eat wet food better if it is warmed a little and water is added. Some cats drink more water if you warm it and offer it warm 1X or 2X a day.
    My kitty has the Struvite Crystals, but is doing MUCH better now. He is still on the Rx food, which he and my other cat seem to like. I can't get him to eat the can food, he just never has liked can food. I have tried warming it, adding water and I even bought some cat replacement milk and tried adding a little of that thinking that would help, but he just isn't interested. I did get one of those water fountains and that seems to have encouraged him to drink more water.

    I haven't seen any blood in several days now and he is acting fine again. As soon as I use up all the Rx food I will take your advice and get him some grain free food. Luckly he isn't picky about dry food, just doesn't like can food.

    BTW, thanks for your reply! I appreciate all the input I can get.
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    Re: Male cat with lower UTI/ UTD??

    Be careful moving him off the Rx food. Do it over a period of 7 days. They usually love the Rx food. If he shows ANY symptoms again, you may have a cat that needs to be on Rx food for life (spencer was like that). It is not as good a food as Evo, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

    I am much more knowledgeable about feline health than canine health. I had a cattery and showed and bred show cats for a few years. I also know a lot more about equine health than canine health. I have trained and owned more horses than dogs.

    If you have any questions, don't hesitate to PM me. I went thru the UTI thing with Spencer for about 10 years. He was such a good kitty. If he was getting sick he would come get me and make me watch him pee.. he woud come get me and run for the cat box and squat and let me know. He did not do this if everything was OK.

    He would also pee on command since I spent so much time keeping tract of his potty habits.. and would always tell him to "Hurry up." Since he traveled with me on vacation, having him pee on command could be VERY handy.

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    Re: Male cat with lower UTI/ UTD??

    Someone (the resident cat nutrition "expert") on my cat forum says that grain-free dry foods aren't good for male cats with urinary issues. But I'm not sure why. She recommends a high-quality, meat-based but WITH grain, dry food---if you use a dry food at all. I think she recommends regular Wellness and/or Innova. I'll go look around for more info.
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