Has any parent on here had to spank their child at one point or another?
"HUMANS ARE THE ONLY ANIMALS THAT ARE MEAN ON PURPOSE"
No kids of my own but I was spanked as a child.
Dogs feel very strongly that they should always go with you in the car, in case the need should arise for them to bark violently at nothing right in your ear.
-Dave Barry
So would you say your parent were child abbusers? Because just cause I have swatted my dog a time or 2 in the 5 years I have owned him...I was told I am an animal abbuser! If I have had to spank my boys for something....does that make me a child abuser???Originally Posted by Ludo the Monster
If I put my macaw in his cage for unwanted behavior, am I neglecting him (for those that don't had parrots that is what you do, or completely ignore it depending on the severity of the action)
People need to be careful with wording. My Umbrella cockatoo has bitten me now about 5 times, all 5 times I should have gotten stitches. Should I put her down like suggested in other thread?
IT is all personal oppinions and choices. People come on here looking for adivice and comfort. I honestly would very upset with some of the "tone" on here and assumptions.
When my cockatoo bit me I would go on my bird forums, NEVER did anyone on there tell me to put my Ellie to sleep! And I can tell you a cockatoo or parrot bite is far much worse than a dog bite!
"HUMANS ARE THE ONLY ANIMALS THAT ARE MEAN ON PURPOSE"
I don't personally spank my dog but I don't think a few swats would make it abuse. I think there are cases when a quick swat on the rump is justified, with some dogs, and gets the point across when nothing else works. I don't do it but that is mostly because Ludo doesn't respond to that sort of thing, it frightens him and when he is scared his behavior is worse.
Dogs feel very strongly that they should always go with you in the car, in case the need should arise for them to bark violently at nothing right in your ear.
-Dave Barry
It's the internet. If someone gets upset over an opinion on a forum, they may want to disconnect, or at the very least avoid posting their own problems/stories/etc. if they don't want they advice and assumptions they'll receive.
I don't spank my dogs. But I have slapped before. :-) Like the time I had one up on the table and it wanted to take a nibble while I was doing nails. That got a light slap and no.
I slap mine lightly on the rear occasionally if they are zoned in and aren't listening or getting into something they shouldn't. But spank, no.
I was spanked as a kid and my parents weren't abusers. They never made a mark on me. :-)
I got spanked as a child too... and someday I’ll spank my kids (if I have any). The definition of abuse is the use or treatment of something (a person, item, substance, concept, idea or vocabulary) that is harmful. If you spanked your child, dog etc. but didn’t harm them... how could this be considered abuse?
I don’t think you should put down a bird just because he’s biting you... he might be scared of being handled... animal behavior specialists should be able to monitor the case and give you advice on how to modify that behavior.... putting him down is unnecessary I would say.
I agree with you concerning some people’s tones, assumptions and attitudes on this forum... but to each their own. (I don’t read into anything that is said on this forum... and I don’t take anything personal. Cause I know this is a mixture of extensive backgrounds, believes etc. and I don't agree with everything said by many of the people on here. You kind of just have to agree to disagree - if you get what I'm saying)
You know I take things with a grain of salt as well...till I am called an animal abuser cause I have swatted my dog on the nose or behind a time or another! My friends laughed when I told then that I was called that because I am like the animal savior in my area. everyone knows how much I love animals and wouldn't do anything to hurt one!I agree with you concerning some people’s tones, assumptions and attitudes on this forum... but to each their own. (I don’t read into anything that is said on this forum... and I don’t take anything personal. Cause I know this is a mixture of extensive backgrounds, believes etc. and I don't agree with everything said by many of the people on here. You kind of just have to agree to disagree - if you get what I'm saying
"HUMANS ARE THE ONLY ANIMALS THAT ARE MEAN ON PURPOSE"
Great video by the way.... LOL!!!
Thank you for that one Curbside Prophet
I leave the forum for 5 minutes and an episode of Battlestar Dramatica breaks out. Honestly, I couldn't care less what strangers who have never met me and never will meet me think when it comes down to it.
I would personally never hit my dog and I never have. I just don't see the point in it and it accomplishes nothing that can't be accomplished in a billion other ways.
I have an 11 year old daughter, and I have NEVER spanked her, ever. I also have a 1 1/2 year old dog and she too has never ever been spanked, swatted or hit in any way. They are both great girls, well rounded, and flourished with positive reinforcement.
I'm not telling you what to do or anything, but I am a Social Worker and used to work with our state's Department of Children & Families (since you topic is about hitting kids!). If we received a report that a child was being spanked on a regular basis, and had marks, we would investigate. Most often than not, the parents were stressed and just didn't know what else to do. Usually a case would be open and we would be in their lives weather they liked it or not. Simply put, hitting children is a crime and shouldn't ever be tolerated in our society.
I agree with Hulkamaniac, there are a thhousand other things you could do besides use force / violence / hitting / swatting, etc.
I believe there's nothing wrong with spanking a child who is OLD ENOUGH to understand WHY (though honestly I try other things first and use spanking ONLY as a last resort and haven't had to use it in years). However dogs don't have that understanding and it's better (and more productive) to train them to an alternative behavior (such as Leave it) than to spank.
You need a behaviorist for your cockatoo.
The dog we are advising to euth has a long history of aggression that is escalating. NO ONE HERE advises euthinization of an animal lightly, it's a VERY serious issue and is handled as such.
Last edited by cshellenberger; 07-02-2009 at 04:38 PM.
Carla
"A fool gives full vent to his anger, but a wise man keeps himself under control" Proverbs 29:11
Completely 100% agree. I will never hit my children and will never hit my dogs.
I will state for clarification that I don't have an issue with people spanking kids as long as they're not leaving marks behind. If you leave marks it's a little excessive IMO. That being said I don't like the idea in dogs. As someone pointed out, kids have the ability to reason and they know what they've done and why they're being punished. Dogs often have no clue whatsoever. When people strike a dog they tend to do so out of anger more than anything. I would never discipline my dog out of anger or a kid either for that matter.
Also, spanking is almost always done after the fact which makes it effective on kids (who understand consequences), but virtually useless on dogs (who have memories measured in milliseconds). It's just not an effective way to teach a dog IMO.
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ha ha ha well said!
“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.” Gandhi
The topic isn't about hitting kids, it's about spanking them. If you've got the 2 mixed up then you should NOT be spanking your child. Hitting implies a lack of control on the parents part. The biggest rule in spanking is to never do it in anger.(since you topic is about hitting kids!)
I was spanked as a kid, and will spank my child when I have one. However, I believe in using other forms of discipline if they're more appropriate for the situtation.
God is great.
Beer is good.
People are crazy.
How does you being spanked justify you spanking your future children? What if your future child is a great listener and a quick learner, why would this child need to be spanked? Plus, isn't that what duct tape is for?
I don't justify it because my parents did it, there are things my parents did that I won't. I justify it because it's an effective disciplinary tool.
I know of many many people who were spanked and grew up to be responsible, polite, functioning members of society. I've seen some people who weren't been spanked do the same, but the numbers are not the same. It could just be my experience and that probably ties in to what kind of parent you are, rather than what kind of discipline you use, but I don't know why I would throw away an effective tool in raising my children.
No child is perfect, they all disobey, and backtalk and do things to push the boundaries, to see just how much they can get away with. I will use spanking if the situation calls for it.
God is great.
Beer is good.
People are crazy.
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