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    Thanks for letting me know my intentions were bad. Here I thought I was just honestly interested in real movement pictures of your dog so I can see the difference between am. lines and german lines a bit more clearly. As for traveling to the show? I don't care about you or your dog quite that much honestly.

    But once again you win Yvonne your dogs are godly, and the german way is the only correct way.
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    Training here is not trot trot trot on leashes.
    Shock! It's not that way here either!
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    Re: German shepherd conformation and movement videos that I found fasinating

    As I can't watch the Videos because Youtube Hates me and I hate Youtube, or its possibly my Computer and Youtube hate each other and I may have nothing to do with it in the grand sceme of things I will comment on the photos posted above as that's all I can comment on.

    Ulf- Is a very nice looking dog but I have to agree with Upendi's Mom that I can't really see the Power your talking about IN the first Picture its a little to front facing for me to fully judge, and the side view he looks to be tucked up and hunched. But I am just learning about GSD Confo and prehaps this is the Proper way for a German Line GSD to Run/Move?

    Xeph-I see what you mean completely about Mirada hunching when she is pulling though I do agree she dosn't need to. Is this something you and she need to work on? Or is this something that will never change?

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    Is this something you and she need to work on?
    It's just a matter of speed really, and her pulling too hard into the collar (one of the reasons she was on the live ring for awhile...to help temper that issue). Individual dogs will do various things when they're working too hard.

    Some will roach over the loin a little, some will start to ground pound or lift, others will have their topline start bouncing like mad, even though there's really nothing wrong with the topline...it is simply physics at work, and too much "reverb" through the spine results in a bouncing back. Some dogs will start to kick up in the rear, because they're digging in too hard and their follow through becomes "extreme".

    Now, with the last picture, even though Mirada is arching in the topline, the movement itself is exciting, and the judge will either forget/ignore the topline, or they won't notice it at all. That said, I do not like to race my bitch at breakneck speed. We go "nice and easy" and she can kick it up a notch or take it down as I ask her too. She does and will pull out in front of me (in the gaiting shots with the leash dropped, I am BEHIND her, and I just let the leash go).

    Dogs at all breed shows are often shown next to the handler not because that's how they're trained, but because there is no ROOM to let the dog out in front (not until group). If the dog is let out in front, it's not as far as they're let out in a specialty ring.

    I have seen the same dog shown in the all breed ring, and in a specialty ring. In the all breed ring, he's shown at a slower pace next to the handler (and the head is NOT up while he gaits). When at a specialty, he shows 10 feet out in front of his handler, and yes, his head DOES come up....because he's being doubled.

    AKC GSDs are not built to gait with their heads up. HOWEVER, fronts HAVE changed because a dog with its head up "looks better" (I do not agree), and so in trying to get that head up "more" fronts have been bred differently without people realizing it. The result is fronts that can be a bit too upright, and are steep in the upper arm. Conversely, German dogs tend to be very front heavy, because they do so much pulling, and very little gaiting the way we Americans are used to seeing it. Muscle builds up in their shoulders and chest because they pull into the collar so hard and so often (it's what they're supposed to do). That will limit reach more than the construction of the shoulder (which cannot work to its full potential when there is a curvature of the spine).

    Think of, say, a body builder vs a gymnast. The body builder has a TON of muscle, but his flexibility (reach) becomes limited because muscle is "bunchy". A gymnast, however, is lean tissue (and still very toned), and sinew. The ligaments are supple and easily stretched, and so they can bend much more easily, and in numerous ways.

    Neither is better than the other, just different, with different attributes and different advantages and disadvantages.

    ETA: By the way, Mirada was working so hard because she was trying to get to her fizbee, and I wasn't going to let her gallop to it. We were still working on pairing a command with her moving out on her own.
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    Re: German shepherd conformation and movement videos that I found fasinating

    Quote Originally Posted by Xeph View Post
    ETA: By the way, Mirada was working so hard because she was trying to get to her fizbee, and I wasn't going to let her gallop to it. We were still working on pairing a command with her moving out on her own.
    How mean of you! Keeping her away from her fizbee!

    Your comparison between body builder/gymnast is a good one. That makes sense.

    And Yvonne--no one was looking to be critical of your dogs. The vibe I got was that they just wanted to see a German line dog as opposed to an American one. I would also be interested as I am learning little by little about gaiting and showing by reading the forum. If you took it the wrong way, I don't know how that happened...I just read a request to see him in motion from the side because he was a nice looking GSD.

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    The vibe I got was that they just wanted to see a German line dog as opposed to an American one.
    This. It is, IMO/E very hard to find a gaiting STILL of a German dog. There are often things in the way of the dog, or the dog is not fully extended. You're not seeing anything of the dog.

    With Americans, people are nuts about side gait, and so it's very easy to find movement shots of many dogs.
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    Re: German shepherd conformation and movement videos that I found fasinating

    Those pics were offered after the show Yogachic I have no problem offering well done photos of my dog gaiting at the show. This was explained.

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    Re: German shepherd conformation and movement videos that I found fasinating

    Here's a picture of a west German dog in full extension:


    I do not care for his topline at all, but you can see the dog. His reach is lacking due to the extreme nature of his topline and the low set of his neck, unfortunately (his front is moving more "up" instead of "out"), but he has nice drive off the rear.

    Here's another dog:


    This dog is obviously moving more quickly than the other dog, and again, a little more "up" than "out", and not the best topline. I'd like to see more extension in the front, but beautiful drive off the rear, though I'd like to see him slower. BEAUTIFUL suspension. Absolutely gorgeous.

    Dutch Sieger Elan von der Herderskring

    Yet again, the topline, BUT his reach is better than the former two. You can see him reach out and forward, instead of up towards the sky. Very moderate dog, lovely overreach. I think he might kick up in the rear a bit, but he does have full extension in the follow through.
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    I just had to, because I have *ZERO* idea on how this dog managed to...do....whatever it is he's doing in that picture. xD

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    Re: German shepherd conformation and movement videos that I found fasinating

    I just did German shepherd gaiting image search found lots http://www.flickr.com/photos/24811830@N04/2494846148/



    Notice the German style show collar placement and how the front of the dog differs in movement, also notice the rear end being engaged in propelling the dog forward. If we have any dressage riders here they will understand the concept of the feet moving when and where they are supposed to but lacking in forward propulsion and power movement







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    This one looks like the picture of my puppy Ulf I posted earlier on this thread

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    The gaiting photos in German style is not about toplines. They are not supposed to be head up trit trotting so that their topline is perfect. The gaiting is for showing the dogs power and movement and that is why they are allowed to have their head. Again a horse reference.... Any members here riders that have show jumped or dressage? How does the amount of rein given to the horse affect it's movement and how it is one the bit? How much does limiting the horses forward reach with it's head affect it's balance in a way to restrict how it moves in physical conditions?
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    Re: German shepherd conformation and movement videos that I found fasinating

    I know very little about conformation in *any* breed; however, there is a profound difference in the AmLines and the Euro lines.

    Is the back supposed to be that roached? IMO, and to my inexperienced eyes, it's not appeasing and looks unnatural. I also can't see much difference in rear leg movement...


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    Re: German shepherd conformation and movement videos that I found fasinating

    They are not roached in stack. Thank you, I am sure their owners love that one.

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    Re: German shepherd conformation and movement videos that I found fasinating

    I dont think it was a jab at their owners, i think it was just an opinion.

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    I don't care if the topline isn't supposed to be 'perfect', but that dog has a seriously messed up back...


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    Re: German shepherd conformation and movement videos that I found fasinating

    It is an insult to critique people's dogs without their permission on a public forum and say things about them like that especially when it is not true.

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    Re: German shepherd conformation and movement videos that I found fasinating

    Quote Originally Posted by Yvonne View Post
    They are not roached in stack. Thank you, I am sure their owners love that one.
    Unless the lingo is a lot different than what I thought, I didn't see a single dog you posted to be what I know as "stacked". I saw dogs gaiting, and I did not enjoy what I saw.


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    Re: German shepherd conformation and movement videos that I found fasinating

    Each to their own. Because it is rude to post peoples dogs and then critique them publicly without the owners permission I do not post am breds and show my point in the differences. Any gsd owners willing to offer up their dogs for it is welcome. I will not say bad things about people's dogs and them not be here offering their dogs for it. It is rude and not acceptable among show people.

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    Isnt it those dogs jobs to be critiqued ... as to how close they fit the breed standard and represent their breed?

    And isn't the critique of that all opinion ... I mean when a judge is judging it is an opinion as to how close they fit that standard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yvonne View Post
    Each to their own. Because it is rude to post peoples dogs and then critique them publicly without the owners permission I do not post am breds and show my point in the differences. Any gsd owners willing to offer up their dogs for it is welcome. I will not say bad things about people's dogs and them not be here offering their dogs for it. It is rude and not acceptable among show people.
    But it's not rude and unacceptable to take pictures of other people's dogs and post them on a public forum, on a thread about GSD conformation?

    WTF, dude. Srsly.


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