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    Bad rescue experience :(

    Hi all!

    I recently posted an introduction to myself and my dog in the new members forum, but wasn't receiving responses. I realized later that not many people view that topic, so I wanted to re-post here because I would really appreciate some opinions on this matter. I hope that it isn't uncouth to re-post a similar note, but I thought it might be OK since no one was looking at the other one.

    About a month ago I adopted Bruno, a ~12 week old Catahoula mix from a rescue. It's the first dog I've owned myself as an adult and so far everything is much smoother than I expected/remembered from my lab growing up. It is definitely the best decision I have ever made.

    My biggest concern has been my disappointment in the rescue organization. The foster mom had 5 puppies in her basement and was just letting them pee and poop in their crates. I thought the idea of the rescue was to get the dogs out of those conditions! He ended up with kennel cough the 2nd day I had him and still had worms and giardia even though they claimed he had been dewormed twice. I was glad I got him out of there! I felt like I was rescuing him from the rescue.

    The only thing I have done at this point is tell my vet that I wouldn't recommend this rescue organization. I'm worried about tainting the reputation of an organization that is otherwise doing great things for dogs. Does anyone have any suggestions for how I should call attention to this issue without dragging their name through the mud unnecessarily? I know that the woman in charge has a personal relationship with the foster mom, so I have been avoidant about writing her a letter but I know that is the first thing I need to do. Any other thoughts? Thoughts on wording this letter so it won't make her defensive and therefore deaf to my legitimate concerns?

    Thanks in advance!
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    Re: Bad rescue experience :(

    When you say they are peeing and pooping in their crates, was she leaving them in it or were their pads, etc.? Did you see the conditions that the pups were in? Were they unsanitary conditions? If they were, you have every right to contact the rescue coordinator and let her know. It is possible that she doesn't know the conditions...maybe she is just trusting the foster mom because theu have a personal relationship.
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    Re: Bad rescue experience :(

    I think the foster mom truly feels that she is helping the dogs find better homes, so in the end of the day, she doesn't think it doesn't matter how she is boarding them. She was very friendly and willing to answer all of my questions and was actually quite helpful. She brought me down to the basement where the dogs were being kept like she didn't have anything to hide. She told me she went downstairs and played with them twice a day, but they were all very timid and I have been doing lots and lots of work trying to socialize Bruno and make him less scared of strangers... though I don't blame her for all of that. She had pee pads in the crates, but they took up almost the whole space. I felt that it was unsanitary and lonely and it made me question how much this organization knew about rescuing dogs.

    Another thing I have been questioning is that it seems that this rescue takes in almost all puppies from what they deem "high kill" shelters. I'm not familiar with any shelters in NC which is where Bruno came from, but I know if a 12 wk old puppy was in a shelter in Baltimore, it would be adopted within a day of arrival. I believe that the shelters where they get the dogs are high kill, but I wonder if the puppies are really at risk. In which case, it seems to me like they are just shuffling around pups instead of helping older dogs in need. I still believe those puppies need to be adopted, but something just seems off about this organization to me. I'm definitely open to opposing viewpoints and would be happy if someone could give me reasons to trust them and feel like I didn't give $200 to a junky rescue.

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    Re: Bad rescue experience :(

    It really depends on the shelter. If it is a rural shelter with little traffic, puppies may not make it, either.

    Did you research the rescue before you adopted your dog? I am not trying to be confrontational, just asking. If you are worried that it may be a junky rescue. Did they have a website? Did you ask for vet records, etc? How did you hear about the rescue?

    It is also possible that your dog is skittish because of how much he has been shuffled around. Rescue dogs sometimes are a little shy/timid until they realize that they have found a home and will not be abandoned again. It does take time...our rescue pup is still leary of strangers and she has been super socialized and we have had her for nine months.

    Sadly, puppies are in as much danger in high kill shelters as other dogs...depending on the shelter. If he was in a rural shelter that got little traffic, he could have been in trouble. I know our rescue takes in a lot of puppies from shelters like that.

    When you saw the conditions the pups were in, did you ask her about it? Find out how often the cages were cleaned, etc.?

    And where are the pics of your pup? You can't join the forum, mention you have a new Houla mix pup and not share pictures
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    Re: Bad rescue experience :(

    Quote Originally Posted by BmoreBruno View Post
    Hi all!

    I recently posted an introduction to myself and my dog in the new members forum, but wasn't receiving responses. I realized later that not many people view that topic, so I wanted to re-post here because I would really appreciate some opinions on this matter. I hope that it isn't uncouth to re-post a similar note, but I thought it might be OK since no one was looking at the other one.

    About a month ago I adopted Bruno, a ~12 week old Catahoula mix from a rescue. It's the first dog I've owned myself as an adult and so far everything is much smoother than I expected/remembered from my lab growing up. It is definitely the best decision I have ever made.

    My biggest concern has been my disappointment in the rescue organization. The foster mom had 5 puppies in her basement and was just letting them pee and poop in their crates. I thought the idea of the rescue was to get the dogs out of those conditions! He ended up with kennel cough the 2nd day I had him and still had worms and giardia even though they claimed he had been dewormed twice. I was glad I got him out of there! I felt like I was rescuing him from the rescue.

    The only thing I have done at this point is tell my vet that I wouldn't recommend this rescue organization. I'm worried about tainting the reputation of an organization that is otherwise doing great things for dogs. Does anyone have any suggestions for how I should call attention to this issue without dragging their name through the mud unnecessarily? I know that the woman in charge has a personal relationship with the foster mom, so I have been avoidant about writing her a letter but I know that is the first thing I need to do. Any other thoughts? Thoughts on wording this letter so it won't make her defensive and therefore deaf to my legitimate concerns?

    Thanks in advance!
    Mindy
    Is it an "organization" or a one person rescue? If it is a multi-person rescue, I would contact the person in charge and let them know your experience. Fact is, sometimes people voluteer to foster, look good, sound good, pass the screening and at some point along the way they are overwhelmed. If they aren't taking good care of the pups, the coordinator needs to know that.

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    Re: Bad rescue experience :(

    For full disclosure, I basically just went with whatever rescue would give me a dog! Other rescues didn't like that I was a first time dog owner and that I live in the city (despite my protests that I'm a marathon runner and want a large dog to take on runs with me and I live very close to a nice dog park and a large regular park). I found petfinder.com very competitive and the dogs were always adopted already. I was having difficulty going through a local shelter because they required my roommate to meet the dog before I could put in an application and I kept losing out on dogs because she wasn't immediately available. I was getting very frustrated because I felt that I am a stable, responsible adult who has wanted a dog for years but deliberately waited until I knew that I was able to give a dog enough attention, exercise and could afford the medical care that it needed yet no one would give me a dog! So I'm obviously still bitter about that. Now that I am a dog owner, it won't be as difficult to get a second dog, but getting the first one was a pain!

    To respond to yogachick's questions "Did you research the rescue before you adopted your dog? I am not trying to be confrontational, just asking. If you are worried that it may be a junky rescue. Did they have a website? Did you ask for vet records, etc? How did you hear about the rescue?"

    I found the rescue on www.adoptablepets.net under a list of local rescues. I called my friend's vet to see if they had heard of the rescue's reputation but they weren't familiar with it. I tried to research them on google and couldn't really find anything besides what they have on their own website. So I could see their "happy tails" and a little bit of history about the organization, but I wasn't able to find 3rd party reviews or comments on other sites. I did ask for vet records, but he hadn't seen a vet. The rescue coordinator was administering vaccinations and de-worming medications herself. The situation had all of the red flags that I was supposed to look out for (according to Google), but once I got there and met Bruno... I was in love and I couldn't leave him there!

    I just feel obligated to at least say something about the conditions to the coordinator and I'm appreciating this feedback as it's making me question my memory of the situation and just how bad it was and the comment about rural shelters is true so that makes me feel better. My letter might not be as mean as it originally was going to be.

    Thanks again!

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    Re: Bad rescue experience :(

    A lot of the time I have found that fosters were not as well screen as prospective homes. In any case- many rescues do self administer vaccinations simply because that is a cost saving measure (when you take care of so many dogs you have to cut costs somewhere). I also can understand your mindset- I read the local rescue's regulations and said "f it" and went to the shelter for my first dog.

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    Re: Bad rescue experience :(

    I totally understand what you're saying about rescues being a pain to adopt from sometimes. No need to feel bad about getting a dog from whoever would adopt to you. It's clear that you did a lot of work to adopt a dog, and it's good that your bad experiences didn't lead you away from rescue and toward a byb (backyard breeder) or something like that.

    As far as the letter, you could just say something along the lines of "I just thought it was something you should check out. I don't have experience in this, so I don't know what it is supposed to look like. etc." Not really accusing the foster of putting them in bad conditions or saying that poop in cages = bad conditions, but just suggesting that you were a little taken aback and other potential adopters might feel the same way, so you thought you should mention it. Just something cordial like that. You don't want her getting defensive, like you mentioned.

    PS. Bruno is absolutely adorable!
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    Re: Bad rescue experience :(

    Thanks for the advice, Pynzie! Having other people get me started with ideas makes it harder for me to continue being avoidant, so I'm getting ready to write my letter now.

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    Puppies are MESSY! You can clean the pen and 5 minutes later it'll look like it's never been cleaned. I don't know if I'd judge anyone based on that, unless there was old fossilized dried poop smeared all over or something like that. I'd have pee pads all over, too.

    And puppies almost always have worms, even if they've been de-wormed a couple times. Giardia, I don't know. . .if she raised them from birth I'd be suspicious, but if they were pulled from a shelter I'd guess they had it before. Kennel cough is frequently unavoidable in a shelter situation. . .again, if she had them from birth I wouldn't like it, but if they were recent shelter pulls, they probably got it there.

    I guess it's worth getting a letter to the rescue director. But I wouldn't say the foster home was bad based on just what you listed. A lot depends on certain factors.

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    Good luck! I am glad you found Bruno and that you are happy with him. My guess is that he is happy too!!!

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    I think I would talk to whomever the head of the rescue is. The pups being in the basement and her playing with them twice a day, or so she said, is a red flag for me

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    I have no advice except talk to the rescue head, its the only thing you really can do.

    As for Catahoula's I also am the Mom to a Catahoula Mix, the Big dog in my Sig, and he's very offish towards new people.

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    Re: Bad rescue experience :(

    Being involved with a private rescue, I must say there are good ones and bad ones.

    I left a previous rescue because I felt it was more of a fuel for two peoples hoarding habits than an actual rescue. They collected many, many animals, and unless someone stumbled across them on petfinder they did not adopt many out. Based on the website, even the PETCO adoption events they seemed like a totally legit rescue, but once you went to your house you wanted to throw up. They took more animals than they should and the animals suffered from it.

    A word of warning, people like this like to get crazy and try to seize their dogs back if people complain. If I were you I would not contact anyone from the rescue and go on with your life. Be happy you have your dog and never speak to those people again. Tell friends not to adopt from there and leave it at that. Some animal rescue people are CRAZY, you never know what the people running the rescue think.

    I was just about done volunteering because of the level of crazy in the rescue community, until I found the group I am with now. They are the only group of at least somewhat normal people I have ever seen in a private rescue. And you don't have to meet crazy requirements to get our dogs. We screen (fosters and adopters the same), but have no specific requirements that someone cant move past. Basically we try to find responsible, caring people with the resources (whatever that may be) to take care of that particular dog.
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    Re: Bad rescue experience :(

    It took me well over a year to get a dog through a rescue.

    Like you experienced, I would apply immediately for a dog listed on Petfinder, and find that the dog had already been adopted.

    I also experienced the hoarder/rescuers who rejected me because I refused to submit everything from my parents phone number (I'm 54 - my parents are in their 80's) so that they could ensure that should I die, that the dog would be taken care of by my parents, and I've been asked for my tax returns (my net worth is nobodies business but mine) I spoke with one rescue that seemed to be a front for a BYB. I was told that all the dogs were from Puerto Rico (as if that was exotic!) and then once she found out where I lived, raised the "adoption" fees. Now keep in mind that I lived (at the start of my search) in a dog-friendly, luxury rental apartment building that had a dog run. I was rejected out of hand by a few rescues because I rented. I eventually bought my own home, but was rejected by another rescue because I am a single woman.

    Some people will look for any excuse NOT to adopt a dog to a loving home.

    And then, I found the group that I adopted Pepper from. They were through - that's for sure. But interestingly enough, the first question they asked me was "tell me about your perfect dog." And expecting to be dismissed out of hand, because how many dogs are there that are my idea of "perfect"?...and they told me they had the perfect dog for me. I was dubious, but after a home visit and a ton of calls between Peppers foster mom and myself, he was delivered to me and has been, pretty much the dog of my dreams.

    That's the long way to tell you that I understand where you're coming from. And if I thought that any dog I had adopted had come from a foster home that was disgusting and not healthy for the dog, then I'd report it to the head of the rescue, or to the local Animal Control office.

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