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    Re: safeguard horse wormer paste

    Quote Originally Posted by Workingdogs View Post
    Why use horse wormer on dogs? Because if it contains nothing but the same active ingredient as for dogs then horse/livestock wormer will be much cheaper. If you only have to worm 1 dog this may not matter to you and you can just go to your vet and get the dog wormer each month......no big deal. But if you have to worm a kennel of 8 dogs each month, the costs get impressive using that method. Of course there's a risk with using meds sold for horses/livestock if you don't care to pay attention to the ingredients label. but even vets will tell you there are products which are the exact same ingredients, but in different dosages. In the case of Safegard wormer, the active ingredient in the horse wormer is the same exact thing as in the dog wormer Panacur.....I.e. Fenbendazole. But the horse wormer contains a 10 % solution whereas Panacur uses a 22.7% solution, because dogs require 22.7mg per lb weight...... I.e. the dog wormer contains more Fenbendazole, than the horse women liquid suspension or paste forms per milliliter(ml). you can easily figure out how much of the horse wormer to give them using simple math, because the horse wormer would deliver 10 mg of Fenbendazole per ml........or 10 mg per cc using a syringe for ease of measurement.
    Now, why use the paste verses the liquid suspension? Well, you gotta try worming dogs several dogs with Panacur to appreciate the paste form, because the liquid is a big mess. The dogs are not enthusiastic about slurping the stuff down either. And you won't believe how much wet dog food it takes to mix up with that liquid form to fool a picky dog into eating it. The granule form of Panacur would be my next best choice, but the cost is almost 4 times more........once again you don't have to worry about that if you are only worming 1 dog. The paste can either be put into the dogs mouth or into a pill-pocket.
    The paste would have to be transferred from the horse syringe to a clean 12 cc syringe so that you can measure it out per dog weight, so there is some effort needed for this method, but if you are deworming several dogs at once, this actually saves time. Some people use a measurement of 2cc paste per 10 lbs of dog weight, but do your own math to reassure yourselve. The math is not difficult.
    And why go through all this trouble to use Safegard? I have used strongid in the past, but it wont do anything against Whipworms. Now that I have had a visiting dog that brought a Whipworms infestation with him I MUST use a Fenbendazole wormer. However, it is effective against the same major worms that might occur in my kennel AND it's actually pretty safe if you give a little too much. You really don't want to underdose at all, so it's better to give 5% more than to give 5% less of Fenbendazole. This isn't true with all workers, especially ivermectin types.
    Is the fenbendazole actually suspended evenly in the paste as it would be in the liquid? I know in lots of pastes, tablets, and chewables it isn't always suspended there for not recommended to be divided into small doses.

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    Re: safeguard horse wormer paste

    Quote Originally Posted by juliemule View Post
    Is the fenbendazole actually suspended evenly in the paste as it would be in the liquid? I know in lots of pastes, tablets, and chewables it isn't always suspended there for not recommended to be divided into small doses.
    I dont know. but the paste that comes in a 290 gram tube certainly isn't designed for only one horse, so it would have to be divided into smaller doses also, albeit not as small as for dog size.....but certainly pony and colt size.
    if that's a concerned, than going with the 10% suspension that is sold in 1000ml container for equines would be far cheaper than everything..... less than $1 per worming for a 40 lb dog......but what a mess that liquid is to administer. I'll take my chances with the paste.

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    Re: safeguard horse wormer paste

    Quote Originally Posted by Workingdogs View Post
    I dont know. but the paste that comes in a 290 gram tube certainly isn't designed for only one horse, so it would have to be divided into smaller doses also, albeit not as small as for dog size.....but certainly pony and colt size.
    if that's a concerned, than going with the 10% suspension that is sold in 1000ml container for equines would be far cheaper than everything..... less than $1 per worming for a 40 lb dog......but what a mess that liquid is to administer. I'll take my chances with the paste.
    I already give liquid ivermectin, so that wouldn't bother me. I never have a problem with worms, but as much as I travel with the dogs, and now not giving the heartgard I need to watch closer.

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    Hi new to the group but not new to forums or dogs. I raise Golden Retrievers. In regards to Safe Guard, I use that on my goldens. One tube for one dog, 1/3 tube one day, then next day 1/3 tube and finally 3rd day they get the last 1/3 tube. I just was told this by a friend who works in a feed store, he researches info alot on dogs n chickens.
    For my young puppies I use Wazine, from a feed store. 1ml for 6 lbs. Sometimes when they are too little, like when they are only 2 lbs. I give them 1/2 mil, very safe. Also when my puppies go home and to their new vets, they do not have worms. Hope this helps. I do not know about other breeds, but a friend who raised pip bulls used Safe Guard also, with no problems. Well good luck, I have to go worm my new puppies their 2nd worming. lol

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    Re: safeguard horse wormer paste

    I saw this post or related question on another forum and HAD to chime in.
    Fenbendazole has been an FDA approved drug in Dogs and puppies for decades.
    Pretty simple, the published dose in dogs is 50mg/Kg.
    Whatever percent you have, just do the math. I still am mind boggled how many people are reading the dose for HORSES and think its alright to simply use the 'clicks' on the tube,etc. DOGS are Fifty Mg per every 2.2lbs. OF THE ACTIVE INGREDIENT.

    50lb dog needs approx. 1,150 mg's of fenbendazole found in 11.5 ml of 10% or 11.5 grams OR same amount of fenbendazole is found in only 5.2 ml or 5.2 grams of 22%.

    A small pup can still have fenbendazole, matter of fact that's what I use 1st time before putting on Ivermectin for HW preventative.
    2 lb pup , that's easy since its just about 1 Kg. would need approx. 50mg or .5ml or .5g ( of the 10% )

    Dose is a dose is a dose folks and far as I can see a HORSE, COW, PIG, are NOT dogs. So WHY do so many people think they can read the label on horse de-wormer and follow the instructions? Don't get it. It is labled for horses for a reason. Doesn't mean you can't extrapolate the data of 50mg/Kg but I can guarantee you it won't coincide with what that label says. lol
    Last edited by sledhounds; 01-28-2013 at 11:48 AM.

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