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    Dog's in heat. When do I introduce the male?

    Hi folks! I'm new here and would like to breed my Brussles. She just went into heat, (3-5 days now). I have a stud ready. I was wanting to know how many times do the dogs need to be together to ensure a pregnancy and, once she takes, how many pups to expect. I know this may sound silly. I know it only takes one time to get pregnant, however I'm not sure if multiple pairings should be done to ENSURE that the female takes. I was thinking of leaving the dogs together for a few days during her second week of heat. Any suggestions???? Only a few days left.

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    Re: Dog's in heat. When do I introduce the male?

    Well...You are going to hear ALOT of what I'm about to say.

    WHY on EARTH are you breeding your dog when you don't even know how to? The best advice I can give you is, DON'T breed her!!
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    Re: Dog's in heat. When do I introduce the male?

    This is a tough one.

    Sine you're new here, you probably don't realize that there is some widespread sentiment against amateur breeding of dogs. There are too many things that can go wrong and it seems unlikely that, with the type of questions you're asking, that you've done all the health testing necessary to ensure healthy pups and breed maintenance.

    Before you start thinking I'm some kind of breeder elitist, I know less about breeding than you do, which is why my dog was spayed the day after we got her.

    You asked for suggestions. My suggestion, and I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, would be to have your dog spayed.

    I look forward to other opinions, which I will delete. (Just kidding.)

    Welcome to the forum. We are a good bunch, but highly opinionated.

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    Re: Dog's in heat. When do I introduce the male?

    What RonE said...my suggestion is you get her SPAYED.

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    Re: Dog's in heat. When do I introduce the male?

    There is a lot of information you have not yet provided to us about this situation.

    1. How old is the female? She should be AT LEAST 2 years old before being bred, as anything younger than that is equivalent to a teenage human having a baby.

    2. If she has met the above requirement, is the stud also a Brussels? I hope it was a typo that you misspelled the breed name of your dog, otherwise I advise against breeding.

    3. If above requirements have been met, have both dogs had ALL recommended vaccines, health screens, and tests by a licensed veterinarian and there is purpose to breeding these animals besides the reason of having more dogs (i.e. they BOTH conform to breed standard and are quality examples of the breed, with a documented official ancestry)?

    4. If all above requirements have been met, but you are not sure exactly how to breed, I would let this season pass and do EVERY BIT OF RESEARCH you possibly can so when her next heat comes, you know exactly what to do and expect.

    There is more to breeding than sticking to canines together and hoping for the best.

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    Re: Dog's in heat. When do I introduce the male?

    If I know more about breeding than you do and you have to come on a dog forum to figure out how, Im guessing you dont have a mentor, and you should not be breeding.

    You should get your dogs spayed. Where did you get your dogs? From a responsible breeder or from a back yard breeder/ puppy mill, or was it a pet shop? If you got your dogs from a resposible breeder than why arent you asking them?
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    Re: Dog's in heat. When do I introduce the male?

    I agree, get your dog spayed. With all the homeless/abandoned dogs and puppies out there now why on earth would you want to add to their numbers? And you obviously have no idea what you're doing why are you willing to put your dog through it?
    Last edited by Renoman; 04-18-2007 at 05:57 PM.

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    Re: Dog's in heat. When do I introduce the male?

    sorry bout im gonna agree for your dogs sake please dont breed her.
    heres a few things to think about BEFORE you breed.

    1. why are you breeding? if its for money forget it if your not doing to better your breed then your just adding to the rescue and pounds probelms
    2. the age of the dogs? dont breed if the under 3 yrs of age they havent stoped growing.
    3. they must be in prime condtion.
    4 extra vet bills
    5.extra food bills
    6. what do you do if she abandons her pups do you know how to hand rear them?
    7. what r you gonna do if something goes wrong during laber?
    8. what about puppies you cant sell? if taking to the pound or giving them away is an option for you you shouldn't have dogs peroid.
    9. YOUR DOG CAN DIE is this a chance your willing to take.

    if your going to breed do your homework and find someone to help you. the world does not need more puppies we are over run already. the best thing you can do is get her fixed she'll be healthier and you will not have missed anything. i do applaud you though for asking instead of just doing.

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    Re: Dog's in heat. When do I introduce the male?

    Well, I realize I may come off as someone who has no right to breed my dog in your opinions. i.e. I'm not a "breeder". However, the breeder I purchased my dog from has since past away. I had to go to Montana to find a reliable breeder for this dog. I did my research prior to purchase. I have been doing research now prior to breedeing. I have no problem waiting for the next heat cycle. I'm in no hurry here. Just thought since I have the stud, the dogs are of age (female is 4 1/2, male is 3), welping pen, vitamins, shots, worming, and all has been taken care of that I would try breeding her. I don't take offense when you all tell me to spay my dog. Nor do I take offense when told I don't know what I'm doing. You don't know me. All your doing is making sure that more unwanted or off-breeds are being pumped out by folks who have no idea what they are getting involoved in. That to me sounds like the type of folks I want to get answers from. You obviously care about dogs!

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    simply put....you don't...you don't seem to know enuff about what you're doing to be breeding......
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    Re: Dog's in heat. When do I introduce the male?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbalyia View Post
    Well, I realize I may come off as someone who has no right to breed my dog in your opinions. i.e. I'm not a "breeder". However, the breeder I purchased my dog from has since past away. I had to go to Montana to find a reliable breeder for this dog. I did my research prior to purchase. I have been doing research now prior to breedeing. I have no problem waiting for the next heat cycle. I'm in no hurry here. Just thought since I have the stud, the dogs are of age (female is 4 1/2, male is 3), welping pen, vitamins, shots, worming, and all has been taken care of that I would try breeding her. I don't take offense when you all tell me to spay my dog. Nor do I take offense when told I don't know what I'm doing. You don't know me. All your doing is making sure that more unwanted or off-breeds are being pumped out by folks who have no idea what they are getting involoved in. That to me sounds like the type of folks I want to get answers from. You obviously care about dogs!
    have you had your female tested for any and all genetic problems?....has she been "evaluated" as an excellent specimen of her breed?.....how about the male?......do you know what is going to happen to all the puppies B/4 breeding (do you have homes lined up for them) and are you willing to take any (or all) of them back at any time of their life?......all this should be taken into consideration b/4 breeding
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    Re: Dog's in heat. When do I introduce the male?

    Actually, we're mostly of the opinion that only titled dogs who have had the proper health certifications should be bred.

    May I ask you some questions? (LOL, good, because I'm going to anyway)

    1) What health testing have you done? Taking your dog to the vet is the minimum you should do.

    How did your dog's/bitch's hips rate?
    How did their eyes rate?
    How did their elbows/knees rate?
    What genetic diseases did you test for? Epilepsie?

    I'm assuming you know this since you are breeding. I'm sure you would not want to bring dogs into the world who would be crippled early in life, or go blind, or have seizures, right?

    And, I'm sure you know that the only way to know for sure is to have them certified through PennHip, OFA, and CERF.

    2) What titles does your bitch/dog have? Are they champions, or at least pointed? Do you do agility? Obedience?

    I'm assuming your dogs have titles, because as a good breeder, you know that the only way to prove your dogs are of breeding quality is to compete against other dogs. After all, what is the point to breeding mediocre dogs?

    I'm sure you agree that most of the purebred dogs in shelters come from back yard breeders and puppy mills. I know you wouldn't want to contribute to that.

    3) What does your mentor think about all of this? Mentors are an invaluable resource in breeding, showing, whatever.

    4) Are you a member of the Brussels Griffon Club of America? I'm sure that you are, as you are a good breeder.

    Thanks for taking time to answer my questions.

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    Re: Dog's in heat. When do I introduce the male?

    Have you had the breed reccomended OFA and CERF tests to be sure she (and the stud) are free of hereditary problems, some of which don't show up until later in life?
    Here are the reccomened tests
    CERF (eyes)
    OFA for Pateller Luxation
    OFA Hips

    Here is the Breed Club, which has some good guidelines for responsible breeding. You could find a good mentor through them. They also have good reccomendations concerning health garauntees and buyer contracts.

    http://www.brussels-griffon.info/
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    Re: Dog's in heat. When do I introduce the male?

    Well, it seems by this forum that not only am I uneducated in the fine art of breeding dogs, but I am going to remain that way. Just so you can all sleep well, I will not be breeding her....this time. I will however continue to do my research and perhaps find some individual(s) that are willing to offer some advise that would be useful. I do however understand how deeply you all feel about the well being of the animals. It does strike me as odd, that only one person who responded to my question has been on this forum for more that a month. Thanks anyway.

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    Re: Dog's in heat. When do I introduce the male?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbalyia View Post
    Well, I realize I may come off as someone who has no right to breed my dog in your opinions. i.e. I'm not a "breeder". However, the breeder I purchased my dog from has since past away. I had to go to Montana to find a reliable breeder for this dog. I did my research prior to purchase. I have been doing research now prior to breedeing. I have no problem waiting for the next heat cycle. I'm in no hurry here. Just thought since I have the stud, the dogs are of age (female is 4 1/2, male is 3), welping pen, vitamins, shots, worming, and all has been taken care of that I would try breeding her. I don't take offense when you all tell me to spay my dog. Nor do I take offense when told I don't know what I'm doing. You don't know me. All your doing is making sure that more unwanted or off-breeds are being pumped out by folks who have no idea what they are getting involoved in. That to me sounds like the type of folks I want to get answers from. You obviously care about dogs!
    Well think about it, im not trying to be mean or anything but just stop and think. From what you are saying it sounds like this: I have a female dog, I have a "stud" dog, I have all the equipment and I have the money so I want to breed. But why breed? There are already plenty of dogs, are you planning on keeping a puppy? Do you want 3 dogs? What will you do with the puppies?

    I know breeding and having puppies around sounds very fun, I know, I have been in the position and I still have the oportunity to start my own breeding program. But I thought, why make more animals? There are tons of innocent and excellent dogs and cats in the pounds that are just waiting for people to take them home. They deserve good homes too.

    So please dont breed just because you can. And if you do decide to breed, please do the tests and make sure your dogs are in tip top shape.
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    Re: Dog's in heat. When do I introduce the male?

    http://www.geocities.com/bluegracepw...lbreeding.html

    Don't breed your dog. I don't care what kind of testing you've had done on your dog, if you're on a forum asking for advice, you don't know near enough.

    But, if you insist on breeding a dog, breed one on the website posted above. At least those dogs don't really exist and won't suffer due to ignorance in the owner.

    Sorry if we sound brutal, but for the most part, we are all against breeding unless you are a reliable breeder (no offense- you don't sound like one) and we mostly have shelter dogs, rescues, etc. And our dogs were where they were due to people that breed irresponsibly (which will be you if you breed these dogs). Get your dog SPAYED, stick around here, and you'll be a responsible owner and have fun with some genuinely nice people.
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    Re: Dog's in heat. When do I introduce the male?

    My suggestion is to start attending dog shows. Find a mentor for your breed. Find out the ins and outs, and indeed IF your dogs are worthy of being bred.

    For now, I would highly recommend keeping them seperated. You have much to learn, grasshopper
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    Re: Dog's in heat. When do I introduce the male?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbalyia View Post
    Well, it seems by this forum that not only am I uneducated in the fine art of breeding dogs, but I am going to remain that way. Just so you can all sleep well, I will not be breeding her....this time. I will however continue to do my research and perhaps find some individual(s) that are willing to offer some advise that would be useful. I do however understand how deeply you all feel about the well being of the animals. It does strike me as odd, that only one person who responded to my question has been on this forum for more that a month. Thanks anyway.
    Huh? I've been here for since December of 2006. That's 4 months...

    Anyway, you should stick around. I mean, you're bound to learn something, right?

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    Re: Dog's in heat. When do I introduce the male?

    We have given you advice, I just hope you will take it and get the testing done and find a local mentor.

    A GOOD responsible mentor is the BEST resource for this info, not the internet. Oh, BTW, any site I've been on that has responsible breeders and rescuers will give you the same info. Many breed specific sites will NOT be as nice as we are here. I have seen potential breeders torn apart on some of the sites.

    If you are saying this because you're not hearing what you want to hear, I'm sorry we are honest about our feelings. If you had come here and said I have my testing done and my girl is championed, it might have been different, but we still wuld have reccomended a local mentor.
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    Re: Dog's in heat. When do I introduce the male?

    I would like to respond to Snowshoe. . .
    1. I have had the dogs into the vet, they are both fine for breeding.
    2. The dogs have never been shown so no titles are held. Both are papered dogs from a reputable breeder.
    3. I don't have a mentor. Can't seem to find anyone willing to offer any advise.
    4. I am not a member nor am I a "breeder"

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