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    How young is too young to spay/neuter?

    I know there's a lot of info out there about when to spay/neuter. I'm constantly researching breeders for when I can FINALLY get a standard poodle of my own. I found one that I love and we've even chatted over email a couple times. She seems great, does the proper health testing, feeds great food, raises her dogs correctly, sells with a limited AKC registration, sells on a contract, keeps in touch with the families she sells to, and has a lifetime health warranty.

    The only thing that's strange to me is that she is so adamant that her dogs not be used for breeding (unless she's selling to another breeder and she co-owns the dog, which is special circumstances) that she has the pups spayed/neutered before they leave somewhere between 10-11 weeks. The s/n is included in the price of the puppy. This just seems super young to me but I love everything else about this breeder. What are your thoughts? I only want a boy (when I can finally get a puppy) does it make a difference based on gender?
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    Re: How young is too young to spay/neuter?

    they say the youngest to spay/neuter is 8 weeks old (2 months old)

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    Re: How young is too young to spay/neuter?

    I am not a fan of early spay/neuter. Anything younger than about 8 months.
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    Re: How young is too young to spay/neuter?

    Lexi was spayed at 2months. She's been fine so far but I have heard it can mess up their growth plates.

    Maybe this breeder just had bad experiences with people breeding her pups.

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    Re: How young is too young to spay/neuter?

    I personally think that is too young. They are still babies and have barely started to grow let alone allowing them to mature . My Bella has an inverted vulva and if she was spayed that early she would probably have UTIs for the rest of her life and I doubt this gets noticed that young very often
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    Re: How young is too young to spay/neuter?

    Gatsby was nuetered at 9 weeks and I'm convinced that's why he's such a skinny, rangy little thing. If a breeder was adamant that my puppy be fixed as a puppy, that would be a deal breaker for me. I prefer to wait 6 months to a year, or after the first heat. I would try to convince them that you're trustworthy and try to get an exception, and then move on. That's just me though. It might not be as big a deal in Poodles as they aren't supposed to be as broad and stocky as a Schnauzer, but I personally wouldn't.
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    Re: How young is too young to spay/neuter?

    Yeah, bummer. I kind of had the same thoughts. I'm at least a year away from even discussing bringing a puppy home (she knows this) but maybe if I decide to go with this breeder some arrangement could be made. I don't know many people that would be willing to hold on to a puppy that's been sold but maybe she'd be willing to keep the pup till 4 months and neuter then. Four months isn't great but it's better than two.

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    Re: How young is too young to spay/neuter?

    I agree with everyone else.. I think the minimum age should be six months with 1-2 years being ideal. If I get my next dog from a breeder, or even unaltered from a shelter, I'm going to make sure the rescue/breeder is ok with me waiting until the dog is fully matured before fixed.

    I have a suspicion that because we spayed Bella at 6 months, before her first heat, that that is one of the underlying causes behind her weak knees and hips.


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    Re: How young is too young to spay/neuter?

    We are getting Moose fixed @ 5 mos. if we hadn't adopted him I would try to put the date further out....but I think this subject is about the same as dog food.

    everybody has their opinions.

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    Re: How young is too young to spay/neuter?

    I'm not a fan at ALL of early s-n but I do know some breeders (who I consider responsible) who use it to make sure all PQ puppies get spayed and neutered. They feel that the risks outweigh the benefits.

    If you're NOT comfortable with it- and I wouldn't be, to be honest- why not ask this breeder to refer you to someone else that she respects, or talk to her about delaying spay/neuter until the puppy is older?

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    Re: How young is too young to spay/neuter?

    If you plant to do agility or other sports with the dog, I would suggest digging up some scientific research on the effects of early s/n and present this as evidence. I would also go into detail about how you feel about irresponsible breeding and assure the breeder up one side and down the other that the dog will under no circumstances be allowed to breed. If the breeder won't listen, their loss. Walk away.

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    Re: How young is too young to spay/neuter?

    I will definitely ask about postponing. And definitely present info about the risks of early neutering. I'm also confused because on one part of her website it says pups are sold with a spay/neuter contract and another part says pups are s/n before they leave. So I'm wondering which one happens at this point.

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    Re: How young is too young to spay/neuter?

    its probably just her wording for you cant breed her puppies, incase someone was looking for a puppy for breeding purposes?
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    Re: How young is too young to spay/neuter?

    Mine was spayed at 10 weeks. She runs agility. She is 2 1/2 now and she is heavily muscled, has a big box head. She's a headcase, but I think she was born that way... Fast and athletic. No lameness.

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    Again, an example is not proof. I would have waited, but it was done when I met her and I couldn't stop it. But so far, she seems fine.

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    Re: How young is too young to spay/neuter?

    It's a confusing area I have not actually have a choice to make the decision, though. Jack and Magpie came us altered from a shelter. Jonas was not altered, but he was already 3 years old when we adopted and fixed him. Smalls is the only dog I raised from a pup, but a spay was a very risky surgery and she was 2 1/2 when I finally took the risk (and she got very sick as a result). The vet offered to fix her during her intial surgery because of the later risk, but she was only 5 weeks old at the time so I opted not to have it done.

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    Re: How young is too young to spay/neuter?

    Thousands of puppies 8-12 week old puppies are neutered every day with no perceivable bad consequences, and a very perceivable good consequence. The don't make more unwanted puppies.

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    Re: How young is too young to spay/neuter?

    Many shelters are doing pediatric spays as a matter of course. It's relatively new, but I would think that if there were lots of problems they would adjust policy.

    Athletes might be a different matter, but I've read studies on both sides of that.

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    Re: How young is too young to spay/neuter?

    Male dogs benefit the most when it comes to neutering later in life. I would try to get her to agree to at least 1 year old.
    There are many good breeders out there, keep looking until you find one that fits

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    Re: How young is too young to spay/neuter?

    Quote Originally Posted by meghf View Post
    Yeah, bummer. I kind of had the same thoughts. I'm at least a year away from even discussing bringing a puppy home (she knows this) but maybe if I decide to go with this breeder some arrangement could be made. I don't know many people that would be willing to hold on to a puppy that's been sold but maybe she'd be willing to keep the pup till 4 months and neuter then. Four months isn't great but it's better than two.
    This is what I would suggest to her. The other option would be to put down a large sum of money as a guarantee that you won't breed and that you will have the dog spayed/neutered by X age. When you provide her with proof that the dog has been fixed, she would then refund your money. If she finds out the dog has been bred (accidental or otherwise) or you fail to have the dog spayed/neutered by the age you agree on, the money defaults to her. Put this all in writing of course.

    Quote Originally Posted by KaseyT View Post
    Thousands of puppies 8-12 week old puppies are neutered every day with no perceivable bad consequences, and a very perceivable good consequence. The don't make more unwanted puppies.
    Not necessarily a fair argument. Pediatric s/n is done routinely in shelters more than anything, but everything I've ready indicates the jury is still out on it.

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    Re: How young is too young to spay/neuter?

    Quote Originally Posted by trainingjunkie View Post
    Mine was spayed at 10 weeks. She runs agility. She is 2 1/2 now and she is heavily muscled, has a big box head. She's a headcase, but I think she was born that way... Fast and athletic. No lameness.

    Staffordshire Bull.

    Again, an example is not proof. I would have waited, but it was done when I met her and I couldn't stop it. But so far, she seems fine.
    I'm not arguing with you but I just thought I'd mention that I had no problems with Bella at all until she turned 3.. she was fine then out of the blue.. partially torn cruciate.

    I was all for early s/n until I read (from several veterinary journal articles) that it can cause sever joint issues later in life. I also believe in eternal puppy syndrome which is why I think waiting till at least the first heat for females and up to a year for males is beneficial.

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