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    What breeds Have NOT changed over Time

    I just felt like we've never had this discussion.

    What breeds do you think HAVEN'T changed very much or branched out in different directions in the last 100 years since dog shows became popular. I think this thread should try to stick to breeds that are at LEAST 50 years old from their founding and the writing of their standard to at least allow for some time for change to have happened.

    I will start with the Harrier
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    Re: What breeds Have NOT changed over Time

    Well bred pits have changed very little over time.

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    Re: What breeds Have NOT changed over Time

    Great Pyrenees have changed little to none since antiquity...I don't have the patience to find & post pics right now though.

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    Re: What breeds Have NOT changed over Time

    Caucasians, central Asian shepherds...I can never remember which is which lol. But they're ancient dogs. Kangals too.

    Honestly most breeds have in one way or another. Some look remarkably like the old dogs and others don't. To me pit bulls have changed. Not the well bred ones no but they've definitely branched all different directions and they're still a younger breed too. Same goes for border collies. The working lines haven't changed much but they've diverged quite a bit. Also a young breed comparatively.

    I can find paintings from the 1500s of toy spaniels that look an awful lot like phalenes and I can find some that look totally different. Certainly there were dogs of a similar type around back then.
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    Re: What breeds Have NOT changed over Time

    Laur I'm talking about change starting from when the breed standard was originally written

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    Re: What breeds Have NOT changed over Time

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    Re: What breeds Have NOT changed over Time

    or better yet



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    Re: What breeds Have NOT changed over Time

    Beagles and Harriers have both stayed the same. I think most hounds have stayed the same throughout time. Beagles have changed almost zip. Body structure is the same, colors are the same, coat is the same, and sizes are the same.

    Most beagles now are perfect saddle back tri colors although the AKC allows any true hound color in any combination with ticking and a broken saddle or no saddle at all. I actually think the mostly white beagles are striking.

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    Re: What breeds Have NOT changed over Time

    Quote Originally Posted by digits mama View Post
    or better yet


    There are definitely some conformational changes there, but nothing too major for that amount of timespan. It's actually quite impressive.

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    Re: What breeds Have NOT changed over Time

    And it looks like those conformational changes were for the better. The only difference I can really see aside from improved topline is the grooming of the coat. The texture is the same, but the dog looks less scruff and more presentable.

    The Ibizan Hound, Pharoah Hound, Saluki, and Cirneco d'ell Etna have changed very very little as well.

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    Re: What breeds Have NOT changed over Time

    pharoh hounds. i think the name says it all -- they've been around a while!



    they are a large breed dog that is not predisposed to ANY genetic defects, health issues, etc. their average life span is 15 or so years old.

    beautiful dogs.

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    Re: What breeds Have NOT changed over Time

    Saluki?







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    Re: What breeds Have NOT changed over Time

    Huskies and Malamutes looked the same for thousands of years. But they look different now since they started showing them in the last 30 years. So doesn't really count, I guess.

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    Re: What breeds Have NOT changed over Time

    Quote Originally Posted by RBark View Post
    Huskies and Malamutes looked the same for thousands of years. But they look different now since they started showing them in the last 30 years. So doesn't really count, I guess.
    Aren't there different varieties of huskies (not siberian) that are either racers or show dogs? Have seppelas changed much?


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    Re: What breeds Have NOT changed over Time

    Quote Originally Posted by LazyGRanch713 View Post
    Aren't there different varieties of huskies (not siberian) that are either racers or show dogs? Have seppelas changed much?

    Nobody really races siberian huskies and expects to win any more. It's almost all mixed breed working dogs in sledding now.

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    Re: What breeds Have NOT changed over Time

    Quote Originally Posted by tonisaysss View Post
    pharoh hounds. i think the name says it all -- they've been around a while!



    they are a large breed dog that is not predisposed to ANY genetic defects, health issues, etc. their average life span is 15 or so years old.

    beautiful dogs.

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    and i was beat to it.
    Actually Pharaoh Hounds are a modern breed. It's been genetically proven that they're a recreation of an ancient breed and doesn't actually originate in ancient Egypt. Same with Ibizan hounds. Pharaoh Hounds are likely an offshoot of the Ibizan hound and were tested to be only about 200 years old.
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    Re: What breeds Have NOT changed over Time

    i don't think pugs have changed much....although i think their genetic issues have increased due to puppy mill and back yard breeding..

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    Re: What breeds Have NOT changed over Time

    I don't think hounds in general have changed much,especially in Bloodhounds and coon hounds.

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    Re: What breeds Have NOT changed over Time

    Quote Originally Posted by LazyGRanch713 View Post
    Aren't there different varieties of huskies (not siberian) that are either racers or show dogs? Have seppelas changed much?
    The seppalas haven't changed much. There shouldn't be a "show" and "working" line. There's no point to "show" line Huskies and Malamutes if they can't do their job.

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    Re: What breeds Have NOT changed over Time

    Quote Originally Posted by RBark View Post
    The seppalas haven't changed much. There shouldn't be a "show" and "working" line. There's no point to "show" line Huskies and Malamutes if they can't do their job.
    I agree, but a lot of the breeds with a purpose DO have a split. It sucks. I like the fact there's no real split in brittanys; I've heard the dogs hunt during the week and show during the weekends

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