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    Shorty Bulls?

    I am fairly new to this breed - I'm fairly sure it's a new breed. I'm having a hard time finding any breeders. But I think I have fallen in love all over again.

    I have been contemplating getting a new dog - sometime within the next few years, after I get my own place, ect. And I'm seriously thinking about this kind. Chances are I will have to get one from a breeder, since the people that do have them are likely going to do anything to hang onto them - I know I would. And if I found an older one for sell, it'd be a lot of money, and I'd rather get a puppy to make sure it's raised right.

    They are a registered breed, but I think they are still rather rare. I haven't done a whole lot of research about their typical medication conditions, but their stocky bodies and short snouts lead me to believe they have joint issues and breathing problems. I would be really picky about which dog I'd want. I would want one that is not overly built and doesn't have a MILLION wrinkles on his face.

    I want something that looks like this: (also a good info site)
    http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...a%3DX%26um%3D1

    And this is a dog from 808Shorty Bulls, which is where I am likely to get my dog, but they are in Hawaii, and I'd rather not have to ship my new dog from so far away.
    http://808shortybulls.com/Grizzly.JPG

    What I would consider a good looking dog of this breed reminds me of a shrunken down AmStaff mixed with a French Bulldog. They look a lot like AmStaffs with extra nose wrinkles to me. But like I said, I'd want one with minimal wrinkles and minimal build. I love the stocky look, but some of them are extra wide with extra muscles and they just look like they are going to have several health issues as they grow old, which I'm sure they do.
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    Re: Shorty Bulls?

    They are not purebred, as in recognized by any legitimate registry like the AKC or UKC. It looks like it's only recognized by various "Bully" clubs. They look like they have a lot of health problems.
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    Re: Shorty Bulls?

    They are not a true breed. They are mutts. Just like all the oodles out there... we've had a few threads about these dogs on another forum of mine. Majority say they are AmStaff/French Bulldog mix or English Bulldog mix.
    With designer mutts like these I always say... if I wanted an English Bulldog I'd get an EB, if I wanted a Frenchie... I'd get a FB or AmStaff etc etc. I wouldnt go out and deliberately buy a mutt if it is not from a shelter.

    That is probably why you are having trouble finding a good breeder. I have read 'some' info about them being used for pulling. Gosh I cant imagine what their breathing must sound like while they are pulling. Or what kind of struggle it would be to breathe during that.
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    Re: Shorty Bulls?

    I would have to say I'm not a fan of "shorty bulls" ...way too many "breeders" breeding for the extreme

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    Re: Shorty Bulls?

    I think it would be MUCH easier to find a healthy French bulldog from a breeder with a lot of dogs competing in performance sports- there are a surprising number of Frenchies in agility, apparently.

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    Re: Shorty Bulls?

    But there's my problem. I've never had a desire to have a Frenchie.. or really any other Bulldogg for that matter. There is just something about this mix that I really like. And they aren't your typical designer breed. They were build for work, not just for show. I'm not so sure what they could do effiently without hurting themselves in some way, but they were made to do something.

    And my problem with getting an AmStaff is they are rather large, and in my experience they like to throw their weight around. Wether it be playing or whatever, they aren't good "small house" dogs. They need a lot of room, or something is likely going to get broken. I suppose this would be my version of a Yorkie, or some other small, naturally pampered breed. I'm not really into the foofy, "cute" little dogs. I'm bot really into small dogs at all, in general. But these little guys have caught my attention.
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    Re: Shorty Bulls?

    Your screen name says that you rescue bullies. Do you?

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    Yes I do. Putting the Rescue website up would probably get me into trouble for "advertising" but I think I can get away with saying google CW Bully Breed Rescue or CWBBR. We have a webs.com website and a Myspace. We're not very big, but we are growing quite quickly.
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    Re: Shorty Bulls?

    I could be wrong as I have not done that much looking into shorty bulls (really the name says it all) but I highly doubt they were bred to work....if you want a working dog you stick with the APBT . You don't take the apbt or Amstaff and shorten its legs and muzzle...what working ability are you trying to improve by doing that?...to me it seems they were bred just for show....

    If you really interested in a smaller dog that was bred to work you should look into the Patterdale Terrier

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    Re: Shorty Bulls?

    They are weight pullers. They weren't miniaturized by way of breeding in Boston or Pug (not sure how they miniaturized, really) but because of that, they have all the athletic ability of a normal Bulldog.

    http://www.pulldoggies.com/Shorty%20Bull.htm

    And I've been doing more looking around. So far I have not come across any major health concerns, not even the assuming breathing or joint problems I thought they'd have.
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    Re: Shorty Bulls?

    Quote Originally Posted by CWBullyBreedRescue View Post
    They are weight pullers. They weren't miniaturized by way of breeding in Boston or Pug (not sure how they miniaturized, really) but because of that, they have all the athletic ability of a normal Bulldog.

    http://www.pulldoggies.com/Shorty%20Bull.htm

    And I've been doing more looking around. So far I have not come across any major health concerns, not even the assuming breathing or joint problems I thought they'd have.
    Sorry I'm really not trying to be combative but that is a crock!...what bulldog are you comparing them too?

    Yes they can pull.....a lot of breeds can pull....see the thread about the Crested pulling

    If you want a pulldog you still stick with the APBT...if you want something smaller is size you find a dogs in the 30-40lb range...and yes there are pulling dogs in that weight range !

    as far as I can tell from that site they were not bred specifically for work but to be family pets with some athletic ability...the say that they don't have pug or boston....but the don't say they don't have french bulldog or English bulldog...which if you look at
    other sites you can definitely see

    anyway I'm not trying to put them down ..I guess I just don't understand breeding for "mini" anything especially if you are breeding for working ability..what is breeding for shorter legs (with a still heavy muscled body) and a short muzzle going to add? ...I just don't understand how this is supposed to be bettering any breed?

    As far as health issues....these will come up as more info comes out...this is a new "breed".....but you have to know from looking at what goes into these dogs that they are going to share the same health concerns....short face=not good in heat or cold....short legs on a heavy body=joint issues
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    Re: Shorty Bulls?

    You rescue dogs, but instead of keeping one of those, you're going to buy one of these "shorty bulls"? I just really don't understand why. Aren't there different sized bully mixes that come your way? Because that's what the shorty bull is.

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    Re: Shorty Bulls?

    Interesting how they don't mention where the miniaturization comes from. Are they choosing EBD with dwarfism? Have they mixed in Frenchies (that's a pretty frenchie face)? The width of the chest compared to the length of the legs is a real concern for working LONG TERM. And why the hell are they cropping those ears?

    If you are truly interested in Bully rescue, supporting breeders like this who are breeding for physical traits like this should be on your no no list. This is irresponsible breeding.
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    Re: Shorty Bulls?

    Quote Originally Posted by CWBullyBreedRescue View Post
    And my problem with getting an AmStaff is they are rather large, and in my experience they like to throw their weight around. Wether it be playing or whatever, they aren't good "small house" dogs. They need a lot of room, or something is likely going to get broken. I suppose this would be my version of a Yorkie, or some other small, naturally pampered breed. I'm not really into the foofy, "cute" little dogs. I'm bot really into small dogs at all, in general. But these little guys have caught my attention.
    Im not sure how small of a dog you are wanting, but female Amstaff should be 16-18 inches. I've seen a lot of them and they are little......just very strong! I have a rottie inside a very small house and he does just fine. He likes to throw his weight around and we've yet to have anything broken. I just take him on long walks and let him run around in the yard. We have also trained to when we say claim down he does.

    I also don't understand why you want to buy a dog and not just take in one of your rescue dogs.

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    I work with mainly Pit Bulls. Yes, I love these dogs, and when they are in my care I consider them "my" dogs, but my boyfriend does not want me to have another "large" dog as I already have a White Shepherd that thinks he's a giant puppy... and I'm just waiting for the day that he breaks something irreplacable and it's gonna be my behind.

    And pretty much any site I have seen, they say the same thing "these have not been bred with Bostons or Pugs and they have the athletic abilities of a regular Bulldog" "The Shorty bull is a compact, sturdy muscular Bulldog that is incredibly athletic and agile." from the site I posted above. And if you read the bottom of that page it even points out that they are supposed to have "wonderful health qualities."

    Why am I being attacked for liking a certain mixed breed? Just because I run a rescue doesn't mean I don't have my own opinion as to what do I would like to keep as my personal companion. Pit Bulls probably wouldn't work with my life style, not my "home" life style anyways. I try to spend a lot of time with my dog, but it doesn't always happen that way. I want a dog that is petite, but can hold it's ground. My dog doesn't exactly play nice when he really gets going.

    I have put thought into this. It's not like I was just like "Oh he's cute. I want him!" That's the exact reaction I try to avoid when it comes to my rescue dogs. Sure, being cute helps them, but I don't want someone to adopt a dog because it's cute, then get bored with him later on. Sure, that was my first response. I do think they are really cute dogs, but I've done a bit of research, and am still learning stuff about this "breed" and so far nothing that I couldn't deal with has come up. They can even give birth to their own puppies (not that I would breed), but I know a lot of short stalking bulldogs have problems with. They do seem to have sturdy health, and as all the sites say, as well as being working dogs, they make great family dogs.
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    Re: Shorty Bulls?

    that aint no workin bred bull my friend. and the breeder is.....icki.....

    there are many, far better choices if you want a bulldog type dog.

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    This "breed" is not recognized by any kennel clubs. it looks like a Frenchi mix to me. IF you can find a breeder that does all the health tests (patellas, Hips, elbows, eyes) then more power to ya, but this dog is a scam as for as how they are advertising it. Someone could advertise a labradorXcorgi mix as the next great herding dog and tell people you should get this cause it's bred for herding. NO if you want a dog thats good for competition in that sport you get a border collie.

    If you want a dog thats good in weight pulling you get a Pit Bull simple as that. WHY would shortening the nose and legs make a Pit Bull better at pulling? it wouldn't! thats why this is a scam.

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    They are registered with the ABKC.
    "The Shorty Bull is trademarked and recognized as an independent breed. They are not lumped into a category with “mini”bulls or Bantams. They are registered with the BBCR ( Bull Breeds Coalition Registry ) and the ABKC ( American Bully Kennel Club ) we are working with a number of other registries to recognize themas well."
    http://www.doublebarrelbulldogs.com/shortybulls.htm

    I have come to believe they were miniaturized through selective breeding of French Bulldogs and American Bulldogs. And to answer the question "why are their ears cropped" it's because that is the breed standard.

    Height: 15" and under
    Weight: 40 pounds and under
    Head: Round head with typical bulldog features. Eyes set far apart and should not protrude.
    Jaw: should be curved, not straight. Nose should be turned up slightly and may be black or liver colored. Dudley noses are a cosmetic fault.
    Bite: Undershot, but not excessively undershot
    Eyes: May be any color although brown is the preferred eye color
    Ears: Cropped, drop or rose, erect ears are a fault.
    Body: Should be short from back of the neck to the tail. Chest should be broad for height and have depth reaching to the elbow. A compact look is desired.
    Width: front quarters and hindquarters should be proportionate, not lending to a narrow rear, and the chest may be broader that the rear, but very narrow hindquarters are a fault.
    Shoulders and Rumps: Well rounded and well muscled, lending to an appearance of strength. There may be a slight rise over the loins.
    Legs: Heavy boned and in direct proportion to the body. Long legs in proportion to the body or fine bones are a fault. Cow hocked or pigeon toed is a fault.
    Feet: Tight feet and straight pasterns. Splayed feet are a fault.
    Tail: Tail must be short, either docked or screwed.
    Color: all coat colors accepted except merle or black and tan.
    Temperament: Good natured and even tempered. Extreme shyness or undue aggression is unacceptable.

    They won't be in shelters anytime soon. At least not the "true" Shorty Bulls. Part of their contract is contacting them if anything arises. And only Shorty Bulls bred under a few select breeders will be able to be registered. They have to register the dogs, according to their contract, if I understand right. And garanteed health for at least 24 months is also in their contract.
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    Re: Shorty Bulls?

    Quote Originally Posted by CWBullyBreedRescue View Post
    But there's my problem. I've never had a desire to have a Frenchie...
    But you have the desire to have something that looks like a Frenchie on steroids. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Why not a Staffordshire Bull Terrier? They're smaller than an AmStaff too, but don't have the deformed look of these shorty bull things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by http://www.bbcr.info/
    The Bull Breed Coalition Registry (BBCR) was started for the sol purpose of registering Shortybulls.
    That does not scream reputable registry to me. The ABKC looks slightly more reputable, in that they appear to have shows, but the website is very hard to actually read. Yes, I judge people by their style sheets. The reputability/worthiness of a registry is what you get out of it. AKC: conformation, agility, field trials, earthdog, hunt tests UKC: conformation, agility, coonhound hunts. BBCR: The ability to register with the ABKC (if their home page is to be believed, which makes it seem more of a breed club than a registry and a crap one at that) and what does the ABKC get you? Some conformation shows. Nothing about performance events, which if it's a registry for bully dogs then performance events would seem MORE important than conformation. It also looks very new, which is not an encouraging sign.

    And the standard for the Shorty bulldog is a joke. Have you seen standards for the AKC and UKC? They spend paragraphs on each point, not just two brief sentences.

    these have not been bred with Bostons or Pugs and they have the athletic abilities of a regular Bulldog
    Also not inspiring. In 2008, 12 bulldogs earned AKC agility titles. (http://www.akc.org/events/event_statistics.cfm) And they are ONLY preferred titled, which means the dogs jump a lower height than similarly sized dogs. Again, not screaming athletic there.

    Other than breeders and people invested in this cross of breeds, who is saying good things about them? Of course people breeding them are going to only have good things to say about them. They're making money off these dogs! And a two year health guarantee is crap. You can't OFA hips/elbows UNTIL two years of age.

    You're being attacked because you're reasons for liking this dog (a small, athletic dog with a look you like that was bred to work) is none of those things except a look you like.
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