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    French mastiff

    I'm getting a 8 week old male french mastiff in a few weeks.Any advice or tips?Anything to watch out for?I have read and read and read on the french mastiff but I would like to hear from some owners.I do have one question.Once old enough can they go without a crate over night?When I'm not home my gilrfriend said she doesnt sleep well.I dont want to keep him in a crate his whole life when I'm gone or at night.My main thing is how mischief are they when by themself.I'm talking about an adult dog not a pup
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    This is going to turn into a great debate

    Iam not a huge crate advocate. I confinement train into a dog safe room with a baby gate and just about all my pups can be left out reliably in the house by 6-7 months old with no destructive behavior or accidents. My 5 months old pup Luna can already sleep in my room overnight with no crate and stay on her bed and no accidents, which I attribute to confinement training. Bordeaux can be a sensitive breed that are really intune to their owners and quite receptive to direction/corrections from them. It doesn't take but a slightly raised voice to hurt their feelings so teaching them to eliminate negative behaviors can be relitively easy.

    The biggest issue with most bullys is teething. They seem to go thru a more intense teething phase then say a husky or hound. They REALLY want to chew on hard stuff. Lots of natural uncooked bones, rope toys, hard plastic toys are usually what I see them orbit towards. Provide plenty of chewing exercise and rotate toys to keep interst.

    Distracting mental stimulation when you leave say with a toy stuffed with kibbles or a kong with yogurt or peanutbutter will teach pup that your leaving is a good thing because he gets a treat plus working on the treat should sustain him thru the initial 15 minutes after you leave which is when most destructive behavior is done from any type of seperation anxiety. Teach pup now that you leaving is not a bad thing and don't make a huge production about leaving him alone. Dog gets gated into his room, gets toy, you leave.

    Start working short simple obedience lessons from day 2. At least 4 short 10 minute exercises a day. Alwyas end on a positive note. Establish a feeding schedule (do NOT let a bordeaux pup free feed) with a properly balanced food. I find a good protein to fat ratio for pups is about 28% protein and at least 16% fats. Pups need higher fats at this early stage for brain development. Keep the fiber content no higher than 4% as it could cause GI upset as fiber is hard to process and can over tax the liver and pancreas. Encourage positive play. Short games of tug-o-war where he only wins infrequently can build confidence, prohibit mouthy behaviors and biting on people by redirecting him to an appropriate toy and teach him TOY while playing so he knows it, don't acknowledge the dog that jumps at you insted encourage them to sit with a stiff flat hand close to their face (we call this the stop sign).

    Lastly establish a regular potty schedule. Puppy will need to go EVERY time they wake up, after eating, drinking, and playing. Also chewing promotes bowel movements so if your pup is chewing on something and just pops up it likely has to potty. Look for signs like sniffing around or nervous behavior. Keep a leash on pup and attached to you when your busy doing something so that you can constantly have an eye on him for the first couple weeks at least to help avoid accidents and clean any accidents with white vinegar and water. It removes the biological element that attracts puppy back.

    I have posted a "stages of puppy development" link that you can use as a guideline as to what to expect as your pup develops psychologically and physically.

    http://www.dogforums.com/19-first-ti...velopment.html (Stages of Puppy Development)

    Hopefully some of this will help. You'll have to post pix as soon as you can. Bordeaux are on my list of breeds to own in my lifetime, hopefully sooner rather than later. Are you getting this pup from a breeder or a rescue? Make sure the parents have the proper health checks done because there's a lot genetically that can go wrong with Bordeaux.

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    Re: French mastiff

    Quote Originally Posted by Dog_Shrink View Post
    Bordeaux can be a sensitive breed that are really intune to their owners and quite receptive to direction/corrections from them. It doesn't take but a slightly raised voice to hurt their feelings so teaching them to eliminate negative behaviors can be relitively easy.

    The biggest issue with most bullys is teething. They seem to go thru a more intense teething phase then say a husky or hound. They REALLY want to chew on hard stuff.
    Great post DS.

    What you said about the DDB is almost Aslan down to a T (he isn't a DDB but a mastiff mix) his feelings are hurt very easy depending on my vocal toning.

    You are also spot on about the bullys being guilty of a bad teething stage,Bless not so much but before i began confinement training Blake tore my bedroom (my nice new bed in particular) completely apart! he wasn't to know any better as he was still a pup but he adapted well once trained to stay within a room with toys and such.

    Since adding Aslan to the mix toys are not left out without supervision though as ive seen hints of toy aggression in him,Aslan was very easy to train as far as confinement is concerned.

    All three of my dogs have the entire run of the house (except my bedroom) when im at work or go out and i have been torn into on a pit bull forum for telling that.
    I totally understand the need for crates and they come in useful in some households i just never really heard of them being used much (if at all) over here.

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    My daughter has a French Mastiff, and he is a GREAT dog, 1 year old. She used very little crate training, but he has been good about not being destructive.

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    Re: French mastiff

    Thanks.I dont have anywhere to put a baby gate.I was just going to put in crate at night intill he gets house broken.I will try your was to some sort.I just need to figure out somethings.I dont want him to have free roam of the house.At what time should be his last meal?What should I do if the pup gets 7p before I do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by psilentchild View Post
    I'm getting a 8 week old male french mastiff in a few weeks.Any advice or tips?Anything to watch out for?I have read and read and read on the french mastiff but I would like to hear from some owners.I do have one question.Once old enough can they go without a crate over night?When I'm not home my gilrfriend said she doesnt sleep well.I dont want to keep him in a crate his whole life when I'm gone or at night.My main thing is how mischief are they when by themself.I'm talking about an adult dog not a pup
    Hip dysplasia, a common problem with large breeds, it is a combination of both breeding and how you raise the dog that can prevent it. If both parents have hip dysplasia they puppy would likly have it. If the parents have been X-rayed and shown not to have hip dysplasia then it is more likely your dog wasn't born with it eather. However improper diet and excersize at a young age can cause it. make sure to feed a low protien diet with no forced excersize like runing on a leash or playing lots of ball.

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    Usually my general rule of thumb with puppies is let sleeping dogs lie, leave plenty of things to occupy themselves, and take up water an hour and a half before last outs. If they have a play spurt and get thirsty you can give them some ice cubes to quench the thirst but it won't fill the bladder. Last feeding should be at least 2 hours before last outs.

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    Re: French mastiff

    Thanks for the info I plan on feeding him taste of the wild.He is eating flint river ranch and I'm not speeding $65 a month for it.I will get a bunch chew to try a curve him chewing on stuff he is not suppose to chew on.

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