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    english mastiff vs. bullmastiff

    have been a Lab owner for years. I have owned 3 labs over many years. I trained them well and raised them from pups. They were great companions and very obiedient. They have past now and I have decided to try a new breed.

    I want a mastiff. I have considered getting one for a few years, but other pets and babies of my own kept me from doing so.

    I live on a shaddy .7 acre lot completely enclosed by fence. But we live in the city and there is crime around us. I want an intimidating and protective dog for my home.

    To get my four daughters aquainted with dogs, we purchased an english bulldog 6 months ago. They have done well with adjusting to a dog in our family. They love Daisy.

    I am not a fan of the dog. I have been unsucessful in training the dog in any way. She is about 30% housetrained. If we are prompt, she will go outside. If we hesitated after feeding or just random times in the evening, she will go in the house. She does not respond well to commands, even though I have spent time traing her to commands such as Come, sit, stay.

    I am Hijacking my own post. Dont get me started on the bully, on with the post.

    I am aware of the origin of the bull mastiff and so, I want to avoid then if are very similar to the bully.

    However, I want to hear from owners/ breeders who can speak to their temperment and intellect. Are they trainable. Will they respond well to training.

    Same with regards to the english mastiff.

    What are the stricking differences?

    Which would you pick and why?

    Thanks in advance for everyones time and thoughts.
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    Re: english mastiff vs. bullmastiff

    none of the mastiff breeds are high on the trainability list, but most are high on the snuggly list

    Bull Mastiffs are smaller than English mastiffs. both are heartbreaker breeds (live avery short life)
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    Re: english mastiff vs. bullmastiff

    Quote Originally Posted by Keechak View Post
    none of the mastiff breeds are high on the trainability list, but most are high on the snuggly list

    Bull Mastiffs are smaller than English mastiffs. both are heartbreaker breeds (live avery short life)
    I agree with what Keechak said here. Mind you I absolutely LOVE both of these breeds. I prefer the Bull Mastiff as it is slightly more agile and athletic. Neither will be like a Lab in anyway. Labs are bred to work "with" you and Mastiff's and Bull Mastiff's were bred to be able to work alone. This is not to say that they are not trainable it is just that they are different. You would be less likely to see either of these breeds winning the high points at an obedience trial. Not because they are less intelligent either. They are just different. They have a "Why should I do that?" way of thinking vs. "Would you like me to do that for you?" type of thinking of the Lab. If that makes any sense?
    As far as training your Bull dog, I am surprised you are having a hard time with him. Set up a tight schedule and stick to it. If your dog is not yet reliable, I would take away any and all unsupervised time until you are certain that the job is done. Do you crate your dog? Are you intending to get a second dog or re-home the dog you currently have?


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    I am crating out bully at night. During the day, she spends much of the day on our porch, with many short breaks inside. We walk her out to pee before coming inside for breaks from the heat. We have a sitter with our children who knows what's going on.

    We care for her and are growing closer to her in spite of the trouble we have had adjusting to her differences.

    We do not have any plans to rehome her or whatever.

    I do plan on bringing a new breed into our family and hope that, if anything, it might help her learn and pick up some skilz.

    Good to know regarding the comments above. Thanks.
    I do realize that the bullmasiff is more agile and athletic than the english.
    But I guess I have to come to grips with the fact that both breeds are not going to be as obiedient and willing to learn as the lab.

    have to decide if I am have the patience and ability to adapt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cooksomerice View Post
    I am not a fan of the dog. I have been unsucessful in training the dog in any way. She is about 30% housetrained. If we are prompt, she will go outside. If we hesitated after feeding or just random times in the evening, she will go in the house. She does not respond well to commands, even though I have spent time traing her to commands such as Come, sit, stay.
    I just wanted to touch on this and kind of echo what Inga said. You didn't mention how old Daisy is but with puppies (or really any potty training) strict scheduling is the key. Dogs learn to hold it by following a pattern from day to do - so if she is used to going out after dinner and you are late in doing so, it's not surprising that she goes in the house. Granted once the schedule is in place and rock solid, the dog should eventually learn to hold enough that a little variation between times isn't a big deal. Until she IS trained though, consistence is vital.

    And then, for your general info here are the links to the national club sites for both breeds. Usually this is a good place to start with breed research as most of your early questions are answered along the way.

    English Mastiff:
    http://www.mastiff.org/

    Bullmastiff:
    http://bullmastiff.us/

    Edit: We posted at the same time, so some of what I said above may be negated by your current set up. Though as a point of interest, if a dog spends most of it's time living outside then it can be harder to potty train.
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    Re: english mastiff vs. bullmastiff

    I HIGHLY suggest that if you're planning on getting EITHER of these breeds you go to a breed specific discussion forum and talk to the hundreds of owners you'll find there. I know of a great on that I and a few others on this board are members of (I'm a prior EM owner and I'm the state Coordinator for a Major Mastiff rescue). I will send you the sites address if you wish via PM. It has a WONDERFUL training section as well a great general MAstiff section which discusses what to look for in a reputable breeder and any other information you might need.

    I will tell you that Mastiffs, Bulldogs and Bullmastiffs are all VERY independent thinkers, it's part of the mollossor traits. This is mostly because of their history as fighting dogs (be it other dogs, Lions or Bulls) and as independent gaurdians of the properties of royalty. They need MUCH different training techniques and alot of patience. They are NOT labs or Dobes, both of which are HIGHLY trainable because they are motivated by instinct to please their owners.
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    I wouldn't advise getting either dog until your current dog is where you would like her as far as behavior and training are concerned. You can keep working with and training dog #1 after you get dog #2, but it's going to get more challenging as you have more dog work to do.


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    As a Lab owner AND an English Mastiff owner, there are MAJOR differences in mentality between the two. It's even kind of hard to describe.

    As for trainability...gosh there is a world of difference between my Lab and my Mastiff. Mastiff's are incredibly stubborn in that they will only do something when they feel like it, or with Uallis, sometimes not at all...if its not worth his while. Uallis is 2 years old and still will only come when called when he feels like it or when he decides to get around to it. Some of that, sure, is that I'm not the world's best dog trainer, but some of it is just his sheer stubbornness of..."I'll maybe do what you want...when I want to do it". We've been working on recall since he was 10 weeks old... Uallis is the definition of the phase "Selective Hearing".

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    I'd also recommend getting Daisy's problems figured out before you bring another dog in.

    Also, it is CRAZY HOT right now. Are you not in the States? Because if so, it is NOT safe to leave a bulldog outside right now.
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    Re: english mastiff vs. bullmastiff

    thanks to all for your thoughts and advice.

    I have no immediate plans to purchase a second dog this year. I am just planning and considering for next year.

    I will definitely continue to work with Daisy and try to get her on a regular and more consistent schedule. Maybe this will help. Thanks for that.

    She is crated inside each night and stays inside right up to each feeding. Then we scoot her out after meals and leave her for an hour or two. W have a covered and fanned porch where it stay considerably cooler than the yard.

    We monitor her and when she looks ready to come inside, we invite her in. She actually seems to enjoy being out.

    Just hearing the differences in breeds from multiple posters has helped me sort of accept daisy for what she is. I have to let go of the lab expectations that I may have had for her.

    Thanks again
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    Re: english mastiff vs. bullmastiff

    Quote Originally Posted by Dogstar View Post
    I'd also recommend getting Daisy's problems figured out before you bring another dog in.

    Also, it is CRAZY HOT right now. Are you not in the States? Because if so, it is NOT safe to leave a bulldog outside right now.
    hehe. come to Wisconsin, it's been a high of 75 F here for the past week
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    Re: english mastiff vs. bullmastiff

    Hi
    I am a first time owner of a mastiff. His mom is an English masiff and dad is a Neo. I am also a former owner of a black lab. My lab was the best. I had to put him to sleep at 16, I miss him everyday.

    My mastiff and my lab are totally different dogs. Where my lab wanted to please all the time, my mastiff is like Hello!!

    Anyway my hubby(dh) and I have always loved the look of mastiffs. A friend of mine bred her female and on the spot I put down a deposit with the understanding we would get a male. Anyway we got to meet him at 2 1/2 weeks and picked him up at 8 weeks. He has always been an inside dog and part of this family. NO LIE, he was trained within 2 weeks, never had that happen with my other pups.

    He is definitely a lover and suck-up, very spoiled. I have never doubted getting this breed. The only thing I worry about is their short life span.
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    I agree with Mdawn..the 10 week old mastiff/boxer I have is stubborn!! She'll look at you and bark in your face if you tell her what to do and she doesnt want to do it! She'll sit 8 out of 10 times and come 7 out of 10 times...Most of the time I'm dancing around looking like a dumb dumb trying to get her to come to me when she disobeys. While the 8-11 month old lab/cattle dog I have is like...I'LL DO WHATEVER YOU WANT!! TEACH ME!!!!

    A lot of mastiffs aren't really that protective either, they weren't bred to attack an intruder, only hold them down until the owner comes to relieve them. Most just bark and look intimidating, but will let strangers in to the house..

    NO LIE, he was trained within 2 weeks, never had that happen with my other pups.
    Weird! My mastiff pup house trained way faster than any of my other pups too! I was messing around with her one day and took her paw to scratch the door and took her out to potty, she's been doing it ever since!
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    Please don't get me wrong, Buddy can be stubborn, definitely. But he is rewarded for good behavior and for bad he gets nothing. We will ignore him and trust me he hates that. He is definitely not dumb. He knows what he can get away with and what he can't.

    A trainer let me know that they need to know who the boss is. In other words if there are 2 people in the house and the dog, the dog needs to know they are on the bottom of the totem pole. In other words they need to listen to you or there are consequences. Does that make sense.
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    Re: english mastiff vs. bullmastiff

    Quote Originally Posted by Pepper View Post

    A lot of mastiffs aren't really that protective either, they weren't bred to attack an intruder, only hold them down until the owner comes to relieve them. Most just bark and look intimidating, but will let strangers in to the house..

    Aslan is one of those exceptions Pep,you wont get in here if he does not know you,the SBT well everyone is their best friend,idiots

    Weird! My mastiff pup house trained way faster than any of my other pups too! I was messing around with her one day and took her paw to scratch the door and took her out to potty, she's been doing it ever since!
    This is also true of Aslan he was very easy to train in regard to number 2's (poo)

    ETA:

    forgot the topic at hand.
    I think the bullmastiff and English mastiff are very similar in both look and personality and the one outstanding factor is the EM larger size,aside from that their guardian instinct and companionship is near enough the same.

    Like others have said if you dont like stubborn then avoid both breeds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Pooch View Post
    This is also true of Aslan he was very easy to train in regard to number 2's (poo)

    ETA:

    forgot the topic at hand.
    I think the bullmastiff and English mastiff are very similar in both look and personality and the one outstanding factor is the EM larger size,aside from that their guardian instinct and companionship is near enough the same.

    Like others have said if you dont like stubborn then avoid both breeds.
    Definitely mastiffs both them and the bull mastiffs are stubborn but if you have the patience and the desire to own one of these breeds you will not be disappointed. They are a loyal and loving breed.

    Also the size of a mastiff will deter an intruder faster than a smaller more aggresive dog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keechak View Post
    hehe. come to Wisconsin, it's been a high of 75 F here for the past week
    Oh, just rub it in why doncha??!!!!

    Just had to pop in. Another mastiff discussion...whooohoooo!!!!
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    I have both a neo mastiifX Corso and a lab I can say without any doubt that labs are far easier to do ANYTHING with. my lab is 8 weeks old and knows sit, stay, come, walk on leash and wait.... my mastiff is 12 months and has just mastered sit, stay (sort of), come (if she thinks she should) and walk on leash...unless something else looks more interesting...

    Labs are by far a more amiable breed...mastiffs are "i love you and we are friends but I think you're wrong so i'll do this" where as labs are more "OMG you're so neat, omg is that SIT, I don't want to get this wrong...OH I'm SO sorry you meant stay...i'm staying..see look at me stay..i love you, did you hear me I LOVE YOU!" so it depends what you're looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooksomerice View Post

    ... But we live in the city and there is crime around us. I want an intimidating and protective dog for my home.

    ... I am not a fan of the dog. I have been unsucessful in training the dog in any way. She is about 30% housetrained. If we are prompt, she will go outside. If we hesitated after feeding or just random times in the evening, she will go in the house. She does not respond well to commands, even though I have spent time traing her to commands such as Come, sit, stay.

    ... I am aware of the origin of the bull mastiff and so, I want to avoid then if are very similar to the bully.
    It's been my experience that, of the 2 breeds, the Mastiff is more likely to look more intimidating, solely due to size. The Bull Mastiff is more likely to be sharper, and more actively protective. Of the 2, my strong preference would be the B.M...

    Having said that, and I suppose this is rather obvious:
    There are "intimidating and protective" dogs which are also highly trainable, as well as being handler/family friendly.

    I know the Bully breeds have a definite appeal, but perhaps you should consider another option, more appropriate for your needs, and for your family???
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    Re: english mastiff vs. bullmastiff

    I love them both, but I'd sway more to the English given the softer attitude towards children I have found between the breeds anyway..
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