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    Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    Do any of you of a Breeder that raises them?I have never seen one but a lady was telling me she seen one.I have been watching for a breeder but have had no luck so far.I have seen a few regular Austrailian Cattle Dog and they are very smart and good dogs.

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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    There is no such thing as a Miniature ACD . So it's likely if you DO find a breeder it isn't going to be a very good one. With dogs that have been miniaturized for fad purposes the idea usually entails breeding a lot of runts together which in turn can lead to a multitude of health risks. If you are looking for a small breed PLEASE take a look at the dogs that are already small in nature.

    What the lady saw was probably a mix, a different breed, or just a ACD on the smaller size.



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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Dakota Spirit View Post
    There is no such thing as a Miniature ACD . So it's likely if you DO find a breeder it isn't going to be a very good one. With dogs that have been miniaturized for fad purposes the idea usually entails breeding a lot of runts together which in turn can lead to a multitude of health risks. If you are looking for a small breed PLEASE take a look at the dogs that are already small in nature.

    What the lady saw was probably a mix, a different breed, or just a ACD on the smaller size.
    Thanks I have never seen one a lady was telling me about one.That why I was checking on that.Maybe it was just a small one which sometimes happens.I have Corgi's and live in a small town. That ends that I guess.

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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    Agree with DS - there's no such thing.

    ACDs are, at least down here in TX, still very much a working breed, and it's not unusual to find dogs at the smaller end of the spectrum, especially in shelters.

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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    I was just going to say we often get in ACDs in the shelter. Some are probably no more than 25-30 lbs.
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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    I would like to say there are mini australian cattle dogs as i do own one. i also know of two farms that breed them.

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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukifox View Post
    I would like to say there are mini australian cattle dogs as i do own one. i also know of two farms that breed them.
    There is no separate breed of miniature Australian Cattle dogs. There are smaller dogs as they are still very much bred to work in some areas. Anyone breeding and advertising Miniature cattle dogs is a BYB capitalizing on the miniature fad. As stated above, many of the "mini" breeds are the result of runts being bred to runts and because runts can have serious health issues, this can lead to serious health issues in the puppies being bred. Also, you are more likely to get health issues due to lack of health testing and consideration in choosing parents. If you want a small Australian Cattle dog, look for a breeder that breeds lines with smaller dogs or pick a puppy from a reputable breeder that looks like its going to end up on the smaller end of the standard.

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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    I've met a fox terrier/ACD that looks like a mini ACD....

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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    No there is no such thing as a mini cattle dog & please coming from someone who owns & truly loves this breed I beg you not to buy into this malarkey.

    I don't even like breeders that breed smaller size cattle dogs because I believe they actually need to be on the larger side of the breed standard for them to be able to herd cattle the right way. If you really want a cattle dog I suggest rescue, they have lots of good dogs in the rescues because many folks get them without doing their research & they end up in rescue. Jo came from rescue & we love her dearly, she is a great dog.

    Whatever you do, just please research the breed first as they are high maint & can be hard to live with.
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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukifox View Post
    I would like to say there are mini australian cattle dogs as i do own one. i also know of two farms that breed them.
    You are going to take this as harsh.... I am trying not to be... But I have been very very involved with ACD's for many years now.

    There is NO SUCH THING AS A Mini ACD!!!!! What you have is a mixed breed, sold to you as some sort of special breed by an unscrupulous and unethical breeder. You likely paid a premium for this rare and "special" breed.
    Please tell me you did not get the dog from the "cowgirls".......

    The minimum height for Bitches in the breed standard is 17". No weight. But in order to have proper build, bone, and muscle, you are going to have at minimum a bitch that goes 35 pounds give or take a pound or two.

    Anything smaller than that, you have a dog with a serious fault or a mix.

    That is all there is to it.
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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    Johnny bandit I know exactly who you are talking about, back when I was looking for a pup before I found rescue I stumbled soon their sight by accident under the assumption that it was a legit breeder, I left as quick as my browser could needless to say.

    PLEASE do NOT buy from these terrible people, I DO NOT want to see my breed go down the toilet like so many other breeds have!!

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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Do any of you of a Breeder that raises them?I have never seen one but a lady was telling me she seen one.I have been watching for a breeder but have had no luck so far.I have seen a few regular Austrailian Cattle Dog and they are very smart and good dogs.
    A lot of people confuse Australian shepherds and Australian cattle dogs. (I once drove across the state to pick up an AS from another breed rescuer that turned out to be what looked like purebred ACD). There is a breed currently called a miniature Australian shepherd (but will be called something else when they are accepted by AKC. Not the same breed.)

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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    I once met someone who had what they claimed was a Mini ACD. It had the coloration of an ACD, but looked more rat terrierish in the face. When I pointed this out, the woman got pissed and said it was purebred and she paid like $800 for it from a breeder. I told her that I had a bridge in Brooklyn for sale if she was interested. She did not take kindly to that and went off in a huff.

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    Haha that's funny khan. I have met a few mini ACD's or so they are called & I'm shocked when the owners get pissed & they insist that its is a pure bred & such, that is when I politely show them Izze either a pic or as I happened to be at a PETsMART at the time, her in person. She is a very pretty dog so I say as I show her off that she is what an ACD is supposed to look like.

    As for being mistakes for Aussies, only someone who doesn't know the breed would say that imo. I can tell right away if the dog is pure bred or if a dog has cattle dog in them. They just have an unmistakable look to them.

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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    Quote Originally Posted by the_mighty_khan View Post
    I once met someone who had what they claimed was a Mini ACD. It had the coloration of an ACD, but looked more rat terrierish in the face. When I pointed this out, the woman got pissed and said it was purebred and she paid like $800 for it from a breeder. I told her that I had a bridge in Brooklyn for sale if she was interested. She did not take kindly to that and went off in a huff.
    I went and looked at that "Cowgirls" website (never having heard of a mini-ACD) and most of them had fine, rat terrier-like heads. (Noticed they also had a rat terrier)

    Quote Originally Posted by dogdragoness View Post
    Haha that's funny khan. I have met a few mini ACD's or so they are called & I'm shocked when the owners get pissed & they insist that its is a pure bred & such, that is when I politely show them Izze either a pic or as I happened to be at a PETsMART at the time, her in person. She is a very pretty dog so I say as I show her off that she is what an ACD is supposed to look like.

    As for being mistakes for Aussies, only someone who doesn't know the breed would say that imo. I can tell right away if the dog is pure bred or if a dog has cattle dog in them. They just have an unmistakable look to them.
    Izzy actually (from her picture) looks like she might have a bit of BC in her. Of course only someone who doesn't know the breed would not know the difference between an AS and an ACD. You'd be surprised how many of those people there are out there. Almost every ACD in our local shelter used to be identified as an Australian Shepherd mix. I haven't been there in a while so don't know if they still do.
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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    That pic came out kind of dark lol bit she is not a BC I assure you, she just has a very prounced blazed face which is not commonly seen in acd's anymore (most have the plain faces) that's what makes her more beautiful. The pic came out darker then I wanted too (izze is the one on the bottom)

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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    Quote Originally Posted by the_mighty_khan View Post
    I once met someone who had what they claimed was a Mini ACD. It had the coloration of an ACD, but looked more rat terrierish in the face. When I pointed this out, the woman got pissed and said it was purebred and she paid like $800 for it from a breeder.
    Sounds exactly like Sydney, who is MOST CERTAINLY a mixed breed dog. Too bad that woman was so ill-informed.

    EDIT: Also, it seems really odd to me that people would want to miniaturize this breed. I mean, they're already smallish, at least to me. My roommate's slightly oversized beagle (around 35 pounds) was about the same size as my neighbor's ACD.
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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    There is one person I know that has three "Miniature ACDs" as she calls them. Two do look like they are purebred, just small. The other one is black and looks like it is crossed with a Sheltie or something. She does Agility with them and they are very fast and good at it. I have seen several ads for them around here

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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    Quote Originally Posted by kafkabeetle View Post
    EDIT: Also, it seems really odd to me that people would want to miniaturize this breed.
    Yea, they're just about the perfect size IMO.

    Are some of the colors of those minis a bit atypical? I don't know enough about ACDs to know, but are there some black and white puppies on there, or does their color change as they mature?

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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    Quote Originally Posted by sassafras View Post
    Yea, they're just about the perfect size IMO.

    Are some of the colors of those minis a bit atypical? I don't know enough about ACDs to know, but are there some black and white puppies on there, or does their color change as they mature?
    They are born white with either black or red markings where they will have markings as adults. For example, ears, masks, body spots, etc.
    But..... They start coloring in pretty quickly.
    Black dogs, white dogs, chocolate dogs, dogs with saddles, etc are all color faults.
    Color is important in ACDs. It is not cosmetic. Blue or red does not matter. You do not want a dog that is TOO light. And white is worse! Ever been out in the woods with a white dog on a night with a moon? It dang near glows. It will freak the stock out. Conversely, A black dog will not work as well in a hot climate. (dark dogs are a non issue in cold climates and the standard does not count against them as long as they are not black.


    I think my dog is dang near perfect for a blue. But darker or lighter is fine as well.

    Just breeding smallish ACDs will not turn them into minis. Something else has to be bred in to keep them small.
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