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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    I personally have never heard of a mini ACD, but I HAVE seen some pretty small heelers. Looks don't always mean anything though. My dog, Charlotte, is a pitbull/ACD mix, but unless you have a really good eye, you wouldn't be able to tell at first glimpse she's mixed with ACD. She looks mostly like a pitbull, but is the size of an ACD and has the slight facial and body structure of an ACD. Her personality however is big time cattle dog, which can sometimes be a dangerous combination.

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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    Yep & they will lose their original form of function as stock dogs imo. I really hope the op does not buy a dog, thus encouraging this kind of bull sh**t.

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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    BTW.....

    Merlin at five days old....


    Merlin as a fully mature Adult Male.
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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    Merlin gives me chills, he's so gorgeous. You should put up pics more often. Especially some action shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterbaby View Post
    Merlin gives me chills, he's so gorgeous. You should put up pics more often. Especially some action shots.
    Thank you.... He is quite the fella.... A Sport Model if there ever was one....
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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

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    They are born white with either black or red markings where they will have markings as adults. For example, ears, masks, body spots, etc.
    But..... They start coloring in pretty quickly.
    Ah, I was wondering if it was something like that. Thanks, and thanks for posting the pictures. Very cool!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyBandit View Post
    They are born white with either black or red markings where they will have markings as adults. For example, ears, masks, body spots, etc.
    But..... They start coloring in pretty quickly.
    Black dogs, white dogs, chocolate dogs, dogs with saddles, etc are all color faults.
    Color is important in ACDs. It is not cosmetic. Blue or red does not matter. You do not want a dog that is TOO light. And white is worse! Ever been out in the woods with a white dog on a night with a moon? It dang near glows. It will freak the stock out. Conversely, A black dog will not work as well in a hot climate. (dark dogs are a non issue in cold climates and the standard does not count against them as long as they are not black.


    I think my dog is dang near perfect for a blue. But darker or lighter is fine as well.

    Just breeding smallish ACDs will not turn them into minis. Something else has to be bred in to keep them small.
    I suspect those dogs are Rat terrier mixes. (their heads look like it) but it is, of course, possible to selectively breed for smaller size. It's happened in many breeds. But, a lot of people do take short cuts. ("Miniature Australian Shepherds" actually came from smaller - almost toy sized dogs and are not "bred down Australian Shepherds. But what about poodles? What about Pomeranians (who were originally a smallish spitz dog around 30 lbs.)? As to stock freaking out at white dogs? I suppose it is odd that in LGD, white is the most common color. And, in West Texas (which is hotter n hell) BCs are still the most popular stock dog of choice. And most are predominately black (and shock) white. They do favor slick coated dogs though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pawzk9 View Post
    I suspect those dogs are Rat terrier mixes. (their heads look like it) but it is, of course, possible to selectively breed for smaller size. It's happened in many breeds. But, a lot of people do take short cuts. ("Miniature Australian Shepherds" actually came from smaller - almost toy sized dogs and are not "bred down Australian Shepherds. But what about poodles? What about Pomeranians (who were originally a smallish spitz dog around 30 lbs.)? As to stock freaking out at white dogs? I suppose it is odd that in LGD, white is the most common color. And, in West Texas (which is hotter n hell) BCs are still the most popular stock dog of choice. And most are predominately black (and shock) white. They do favor slick coated dogs though.
    If you just took the smallest individuals from normal sized ACD's, and kept breeding the small dogs and culling the rest, you might eventually miniaturize the line. But.... you would throw normal sized dogs at times. The genes would still be there. Most of the breeds that have varying sizes, either had huge size variance to start with in the breed or other breeds were mixed in. For example.... Schnauzers.... The standard was the original. Affenpinscher was used in the development of the mini and most likely mastiffs were used in the giants.

    Yes LGDs are mostly white. Presumably to blend in with the stock. But the role of an LGD and a herding dog are different. LGD's become part of the herd. But... Herding dogs approach like a predator.

    I am not saying they don't use black dogs. Or black dogs cannot work. They do and they can. But a blue or red dog is going to work longer if everything else is equal. They trial a ton of BC's here in Florida. But the dogs suffer on hot days.
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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    But what if you're a hobbit and have very small cattle? Huh? You'd never be able to handle a full-sized ACD...

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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    Interesting. The cow girls just happen to have a Rat Terrier pictured with their dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThoseWordsAtBest View Post
    Interesting. The cow girls just happen to have a Rat Terrier pictured with their dogs.
    Yes, I noticed that. Which is probably what made me notice how many of the dogs have the same head shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pawzk9 View Post
    Yes, I noticed that. Which is probably what made me notice how many of the dogs have the same head shape.
    I've been clicking around and I cannot find any info on her sires and bitches. The only thing is the puppies page and what parents they came from, but no solid "These are our males, these are our females." so I don't doubt that Rattie played in somewhere. I'm going to make a point to NOT read things, but I saw some nice bragging about puppies being smaller than coke cans and how these puppies will stay mostly white! Also, the dogs I can see that they breed are NOT good looking ACDs at all. :\

    On their puppies page though they have a large rant about how their dogs are purebreds. And exit the page for sanity!

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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    a couple almost had the mini bully look to them...

    ive seen the results of a BYB of "mini" ACDs..the dogs were having hip problems at two, aggressive and nippy...really kinda ugly too IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kodiak View Post
    a couple almost had the mini bully look to them...

    ive seen the results of a BYB of "mini" ACDs..the dogs were having hip problems at two, aggressive and nippy...really kinda ugly too IMHO
    With all the ppl showing their pics of their adds I tried to show mine but I couldn't get mine to upload . The fact that these cowgirls have no representable pics of their breeding stock raises a red flag for me, that & a CKC reg is another.

    I'd like to see those runts try to herd stubborn stock, I doubt they can, they say that are from working stock but talk is cheap . Another flag is they dont have tails.
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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    some of them look so broad i dont think theyd even make a jogging partner....

    around here there are a lot of people breeding pocket pits...its so sad that people are making these animals smaller and their temperments are not important...aggressive-who cares its small...their heads are screwed and gives a bad name to a lot of breeders

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    Yep & its publicity the acd doesn't need imo, there are enough ij shelters all ready without adding these freaks to the mix. Bit unfortunately ppl will buy them cuz they are cute .

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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    I have seen Miniature Australian Cattle Dogs. They don't have a breed registration, but most miniature breeds start out that way. The Mini ACDs that I saw came from a breeder in Missouri, that have breed ACDs for several years and have breed them for smaller size but has maintained the breed character. She has developed several of her own lines of them. She has them registered with the CKC as Australian Cattle Dogs. I can't speak for all of the breeders that market them, but these were the work of a responsible breeder and their pedigrees all trace back to ACD ancestry. They are not the results of breeding runts, but a process of selecting for smaller genetics over several generations. Even so the difference in size is pretty subtle. If you would like to see pictures visit my facebook page Triple Tree West Photography.

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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    Quote Originally Posted by 3twest View Post
    I have seen Miniature Australian Cattle Dogs. They don't have a breed registration, but most miniature breeds start out that way. The Mini ACDs that I saw came from a breeder in Missouri, that have breed ACDs for several years and have breed them for smaller size but has maintained the breed character. She has developed several of her own lines of them. She has them registered with the CKC as Australian Cattle Dogs. I can't speak for all of the breeders that market them, but these were the work of a responsible breeder and their pedigrees all trace back to ACD ancestry. They are not the results of breeding runts, but a process of selecting for smaller genetics over several generations. Even so the difference in size is pretty subtle. If you would like to see pictures visit my facebook page Triple Tree West Photography.
    Yep. I'm sure the there was a lot of controversy with the mini aussie back in the day when they were first becoming known, and now they are a registered breed with the AKC. I don't know enough about the mini ACD to say weather or not they are purebred, but they very well could be.


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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    Quote Originally Posted by 3twest View Post
    I have seen Miniature Australian Cattle Dogs. They don't have a breed registration, but most miniature breeds start out that way. The Mini ACDs that I saw came from a breeder in Missouri, that have breed ACDs for several years and have breed them for smaller size but has maintained the breed character. She has developed several of her own lines of them. She has them registered with the CKC as Australian Cattle Dogs. I can't speak for all of the breeders that market them, but these were the work of a responsible breeder and their pedigrees all trace back to ACD ancestry. They are not the results of breeding runts, but a process of selecting for smaller genetics over several generations. Even so the difference in size is pretty subtle. If you would like to see pictures visit my facebook page Triple Tree West Photography.
    Yea they have been all over the southern Midwest......

    The are NOT real ACDs..... The CKC would register a cat as an ACD if you paid them......

    The breeder you speak of is NOTORIOUS......

    There is NO such thing as a responsible breeder of "mini" acds.... Simply attempting to acheive that goal in unethical......

    End of story.....
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    Re: Miniature Australian Cattle Dog

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyBandit View Post
    Yea they have been all over the southern Midwest......

    The are NOT real ACDs..... The CKC would register a cat as an ACD if you paid them......

    The breeder you speak of is NOTORIOUS......

    There is NO such thing as a responsible breeder of "mini" acds.... Simply attempting to acheive that goal in unethical......

    End of story.....
    Interesting, could you elaborate a bit more about why? Is that because the smaller dogs can't work the stock properly? I thought the dwarfism in corgis was deliberately bred in to help the dogs avoid kicks from the cattle? Is it just the working constrictions or are there structural issues with miniaturization? What if they were simply pets? Just wondering, I know absolutely nothing about ACDs or working herders in general.

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