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    ewww I HATE snakes, I would kill them too If I had one in my yard, I agree with the lady from maine, I will take the cr@ppy winter over snakes anyday!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamiLynNewJersey View Post
    ewww I HATE snakes, I would kill them too If I had one in my yard, I agree with the lady from maine, I will take the cr@ppy winter over snakes anyday!
    A crappy winter would just make your house more apealing to a snake. Its warm inside.

    Like i said before
    , killing them doesn't make them go away. Your house is built in their habitat, they aren't going anywhere.


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    thankfully, I live in NJ & have never seen a snake here (knocks on wood)

    now at my dads house in Fla., there are lots of snakes, not to many but I do see them around, mostly run over by cars.

    To me saying dont kill them is is like saying dont kill mice if your house/yard was infested with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamiLynNewJersey View Post
    thankfully, I live in NJ & have never seen a snake here (knocks on wood)

    now at my dads house in Fla., there are lots of snakes, not to many but I do see them around, mostly run over by cars.

    To me saying dont kill them is is like saying dont kill mice if your house/yard was infested with them.
    Mice are vermin...pests.... Snakes are a natural part of the enviroment... a wild animal.... they do not "infest" areas.

    They move constantly and while they have ranges there is no particular teritory for one animal.

    If there is no reason to stay in your yard the snake will move on. If there is a reason to stay, Say a mouse infestation. It will stay.

    This is the reason killing them doesn't do any good. More will just mosey through.... a snake released into the woods will most likely never return to your yard. Unless you are a food source.

    People always worry about snakes in their yard. You either are

    1. in a rural area and need to quit complaining because wildlife is normal.

    2. in an urban area and you are a food source. This means there is a rodent/ bird population in your yard/neighbors yard. Kill your mice and gophers and the snakes will leave you alone.

    Im not asking anyone to do anything. Im just promoting education on the subject because i think alot of killing is done out of irrational fear and ignorance. (kinda like dogs turned into shelters eh?)


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    I dont really think I need to be educated on snakes, I remember learning all about them, so thanks anyway.
    IMO a snake is a pest, thankfully there are no snake shelters. & I have not seen any around my way, so it really does not matter to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamiLynNewJersey View Post
    I dont really think I need to be educated on snakes, I remember learning all about them, so thanks anyway.
    IMO a snake is a pest, thankfully there are no snake shelters. & I have not seen any around my way, so it really does not matter to me.


    I think you are mistaken. You've proved this already.

    That comment on education was meant at the world in general. Not you.


    Just for your uneducation.....

    New jersey is home to 71 species of snakes

    Florida is home to 45 species.


    Florida is warmer so they obviously move around more. Doesn't mean there are more of them, just more visible.

    As far as the comment on snake shelters, there are maaany clubs, societies and rescues. Not everyone likes only the cute and fluffy animals.
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    keep your uneducation, I have lived in Jersey for 25 years & I have never seen one, & If I do I will make sure I kill it just for you
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamiLynNewJersey View Post
    keep your uneducation, I have lived in Jersey for 25 years & I have never seen one, & If I do I will make sure I kill it just for you

    if people said som'thing incorrect or wrong about pitbulls you would say som'thing im sure. its the same with snakes for me.

    I've already explained why you've never seen one.

    You can ignorantly murder all the innocent wildlife you want. If thats your perogative.

    Way to show people who you really are. That you would kill an innocent animal to get back at som'one you don't even know who is trying to politely educate people.


    What a lovely addition to our forum...yay.

    im done talking to you. Peace.
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    Re: Dogs and Copperhead bites

    I hate snakes too
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    Quote Originally Posted by Criosphynx View Post
    Like i said before[/I], killing them doesn't make them go away. Your house is built in their habitat, they aren't going anywhere.
    Yes but killing one makes for one less in the world to deal with!

    Sorry but my dog got bit by a copperhead just today. I got back from my vets a few hours ago and now I'm online researching it and I came across this forum.

    A copperhead is not an "innocent animal" as you like to put it. And let me tell you another thing, I don't care if it's another dog, a human or any other "innocent animal". If something, anything, attacks my dog and or family they will get a bullet in their head or in this case a shovel through their heads.

    I love animals but when it comes to protecting my own animals and family all bets are off. My animals and family come first, especially when we are taking about a snake!

    Yorkie - thanks for the interesting read. My dog got bit by a copperhead today and I've been a nervous wreck over it. Your post gave me a sense of peace knowing it's not as bad as it looks.

    She got bit in the back leg and it's grossly swollen and just oozing. The vet gave me some antibiotics and anti-inflammatory/pain meds. I live in NC and the emergency animal clinic vet said they've been getting copperhead snake bits nearly daily.
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    Ouch. Sorry to hear about your dog.

    Like I said earlier in this thread, I have had a goat, cat and two dogs get bit (one dog got bit twice during a few months time.) The swelling was bad, but they quickly got over it, even the one that got bit in the face.
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    Re: Dogs and Copperhead bites

    If you're in snake territory, especially rattlers, may I suggest that you consider having your dog vaccinated with the rattlesnake vaccine? This is probably NOT a stock vaccine at most vets' offices, but I'm willing to bet that if you gave enough heads' up, your vet might be able to get it for you. If you live in snake country in a place where there are a lot of hunting dogs or farm dogs, you may have better luck finding a vet who has this vaccine in stock.

    To my knowledge, there is one manufacturer-- Red Rock Biologics.

    From the site:



    What types of snakes does this vaccine protect against?



    Should my dog be vaccinated?
    If your dog lives, works or plays where rattlesnakes live, you should consider vaccination with a rattlesnake vaccine. Approximately 300,000 dogs and cats are bitten by venomous snakes each year in the United States. Rattlesnake venom can cause serious injury and even death.

    What types of snakes does this vaccine protect against?
    This rattlesnake vaccine was developed to protect against Western Diamondback Rattlesnake venom. It is most effective against this snake's venom.

    Venom from many other snakes found throughout the United States is similar to the venom of the Western Diamondback Rattlesnake. Because of these similarities, this vaccine also provides protection against the venoms of the Western Rattlesnake (including the Prairie, Great Basin, Northern and Southern Pacific Rattlesnakes), Sidewinder, Timber Rattlesnake, Massasauga and the Copperhead. This vaccine provides partial protection against the Eastern Diamondback Rattlesnake.

    This vaccine does not provide protection against the Water Moccasin (Cottonmouth), Mojave Rattlesnake or Coral Snakes. Red Rock Biologics is developing a variety of vaccines to provide the best protection against poisonous snakes for dogs in each part of the country.
    http://www.redrockbiologics.com/FAQ.html

    More info:

    http://rattlesnakevaccinefordogs.com/segD_trans.html

    Important note-- this vaccine should be considered as a means to buy time to get to the vet, and to MINIMIZE (not ELIMINATE) the effect of a snakebite, and to help your dog recover better under a vet's care should he or she be bitten. If your dog has the vaccine and is bitten by a covered species of snake, veterinary care is still critical.

    Hope that helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Criosphynx View Post
    if people said som'thing incorrect or wrong about pitbulls you would say som'thing im sure. its the same with snakes for me.
    Wonderfully said, I couldn't agree more.

    Quote Originally Posted by OtterNJ View Post
    I hate snakes too
    Hate usually stems from being uninformed about a particular thing.

    Seems that's the case here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adelyn View Post
    Yes but killing one makes for one less in the world to deal with!

    Sorry but my dog got bit by a copperhead just today. I got back from my vets a few hours ago and now I'm online researching it and I came across this forum.

    A copperhead is not an "innocent animal" as you like to put it. And let me tell you another thing, I don't care if it's another dog, a human or any other "innocent animal". If something, anything, attacks my dog and or family they will get a bullet in their head or in this case a shovel through their heads.

    I love animals but when it comes to protecting my own animals and family all bets are off. My animals and family come first, especially when we are taking about a snake!

    Yorkie - thanks for the interesting read. My dog got bit by a copperhead today and I've been a nervous wreck over it. Your post gave me a sense of peace knowing it's not as bad as it looks.

    She got bit in the back leg and it's grossly swollen and just oozing. The vet gave me some antibiotics and anti-inflammatory/pain meds. I live in NC and the emergency animal clinic vet said they've been getting copperhead snake bits nearly daily.
    Actually, they are innocent.

    Who encroached on their territory?

    Who destroyed their habitat?

    Exactly, that's what I thought.

    Snakes don't just strike for the hell of it, they strike when they feel threatened. You can believe what you want, but Snakes aren't pests - they do a lot more good than harm and keep other pests away from your home in fact.

    If my Snake ever escaped and wound up dead in your yard and it doesn't matter if it's domesticated or wild, you can be sure I would put a bullet through your animals head in return.

    You wouldn't like that much, would you?
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    I would be careful about giving the the rattlesnake vaccine. Dogs have had seizures and died after getting it.

    http://www.doggienews.com/2005/02/ra...ccinations.htm

    http://www.pantanoac.com/rattlesnake%20vaccine.htm

    http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/vmth/cli...ccinproto.html



    We have a huge copperhead problem out here. And I will shoot, and shoot to kill. It only takes one bite...
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    Quote Originally Posted by txcollies View Post


    We have a huge copperhead problem out here. And I will shoot, and shoot to kill. It only takes one bite...


    Let's say there is a vicious dog in your yard, teeth bared and getting ready to attack. Would you;

    a) Shoot it

    b) Try and get inside to call AC to try and remove the dog from your property

    The point I'm making is there are many better alternatives other than shooting a Snake who was there likely long before you. You can explore different routes where these animals get relocated into an environment with little human interaction.
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    Considering that I live so far out that AC will NOT come and help no matter what. We are very rural, country folk out here.

    If it came down it it, I'd A) Shoot it.

    And considering that I live so far out that it's no use relocating snakes, since we have so many. That ain't gonna happen. If a snake was threatening me, the dogs, another family member, the stock, etc. It will get removed from the picture. End of story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Great Dane View Post
    If my Snake ever escaped and wound up dead in your yard and it doesn't matter if it's domesticated or wild, you can be sure I would put a bullet through your animals head in return.

    You wouldn't like that much, would you?
    Right, because shooting an animal for killing a foreign animal that entered its yard because you want revenge is totally reasonable


    We have the timber rattlesnake, eastern massasauga rattle-snake, copperhead and cottonmouth, but they are all rather rare up here, fortunately.

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    I shot a snake that got into my house. It was a young rattler, rattling away. My parents were visiting and my poor mom heard the snake in a box in the bedroom they were staying in. My mom is so far from being able to deal with these things it's scary-- she was having some sort of anxiety attack while also hysterically trying to protect me, her daughter, from the snake. The whole situation was just a mess, and the ultimate resolution involved my dad keeping my mom away while I shot the snake. So be it....

    We have also had many small and large brown snakes show up - though none inside. Those are given an escort away from the dog area so the dogs don't hurt them. They are quite harmless, and actually probably keep the rodent population down. (I heard they eat rattlers too. Not sure if it's true...)

    I do always try my damdest to determine what I am dealing with before taking action - in only the 1 case (indoor rattler) has the verdict been death. I've actually enjoyed moving some of the brown snakes - there was this one HUGE fellow (gal???) that I got to carry a waise and I'd never felt the snake muscles thing before. It was INCREDIBLE!!!

    I often hope that snake had a good life. I feel a bit attached to him. (Yeah, weird I guess).
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    Quote Originally Posted by txcollies View Post
    I would be careful about giving the the rattlesnake vaccine. Dogs have had seizures and died after getting it.

    http://www.doggienews.com/2005/02/ra...ccinations.htm

    http://www.pantanoac.com/rattlesnake%20vaccine.htm

    http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/vmth/cli...ccinproto.html


    Then it would be worthwhile to weigh the risks vs. benefits. If you have a serious snake problem or your dogs hunt or tend to venture into situations where they have a high risk of being bitten, then it may be worth the seizure risk.

    Dogs have had reactions to every other vaccine out there-- the Leptospirosis vaccine is one of the most common offenders. Yet Lepto is serious enough and also zoonotic, so many vets recommend it if there is a high rodent or raccoon population. Lepto is spread through urine, and if your dog laps out of a puddle that may be contaminated with infectious urine, he can get Lepto and spread it to your family. Lepto used to be a routine part of the combo vaccine, but then it was removed and offered as a separate vaccine. Now, some manufacturers are incorporating it again as we continue to build and the rodent population increases even in urban environments.

    However, the DHPPC, Bordetella and Rabies vaccines have all caused allergic or other reactions (sometimes fatal) and many areas require a Rabies vaccine by law. My last Schnauzer had a near-fatal allergic reaction many years ago to her DHPPC at the age of 12, after getting it every year for her whole life. There's no way to know which dogs will react, or when.

    You just have to weigh your risks. Certainly, a toy Poodle that only goes outside for 5 minutes to piddle then goes back inside is at less risk of snakebite than a Lab who goes out into the woods for hours at a time.

    We have a huge copperhead problem out here. And I will shoot, and shoot to kill. It only takes one bite...
    What if the snake bites before you shoot?
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    My dogs have been bitten more than once by a variety of snakes you can't avoid them here. The worst was a few years back before someone stole my hound she got bit on the eye it swelled up huge she is the only one we have had to take into the vet to make sure it didn't puncture her eye. The others the vet either tells us give them a benedryl pill or we go pick up a shot from them.

    We don't kill them just run them off. They pretty much stay out of my yard but when we go hiking I have to keep an eye out for my dogs and me.
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