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    Re: Service dog 'pit bull' denied access to hospital

    Well I did have my DH in the hospital last month, and one night on the way out after visiting we bumped into someone with a Bordercollie she had taken into see a visitor-- owner was very upfront about it not being an actual service dog, but that she had lied to get the dog into visit (cause "they cant ask for proof")....

    As the owner of the 3 dogs - 2 of which would have loved to see "Daddy" in the hospital, I have to say I did feel resentful about the situation (we were in the parking lot right after visiting hour ended, so not a whole lot I could do about it)....

    But we dont have any idea what happened here..... though...
    (note that I would never abuse the Law as above, and that still doesnt excuse that State Attorney- that video clip is going to make a great campaign ad in the next election-- for his opponent! )....
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    I'm more annoyed at the State attorney William "Willie" Meggs. At least the hospital reaction is based on pure ignorance. But for a state attorney to not enforce a law because he believes "some moron in congress probably wrote that law" is outrageous. His job is to enforce the law, not to pass (very ignorant) judgement on it. And if he doesn't see a point to the law, he should research it. And then to say "I don't see how a pit bull running loose with you at the hospital qualifies as a service dog" shows more ignorance and that he did not review the case. If he had, he would have found the dog is a licensed service animal, what's his purpose was, and that the dog was not "running around loose". Ugh.

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    I'm more annoyed at the State attorney William "Willie" Meggs. At least the hospital reaction is based on pure ignorance. But for a state attorney to not enforce a law because he believes "some moron in congress probably wrote that law" is outrageous.
    I totally agree.

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    Re: Service dog 'pit bull' denied access to hospital

    I'm friends with Doogan and his owner. He is a real SD, and today is his 2nd birthday!
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    Here's his FB page: https://www.facebook.com/SirDooganSD

    This is sickening. I really feel for the owner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spotted nikes View Post
    I'm just wondering since she hasn't filed suit, if the dog really IS a service dog, or if he was a "Faux" service dog. Seems to me that if you had your legitimate service dog denied entry, you would be filing suit. If it was a fake one, you'd probably avoid a suit.
    If it was a "fake" service dog, I don't think she would have gone to the media with the story. Perhaps she thinks it would be more constructive to just get the word out, raise awareness, and try to wrestle an apology from the hospital than to spend the time, money, and effort on a civil suit, as the ADA did not press charges.

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    Re: Service dog 'pit bull' denied access to hospital

    Some of the comments on that article make my blood boil. Why are people so stupid and ignorant?

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    People just don't understand what a service dog actually is. It's a piece of medical equipment. I wrote a lengthy paper on SDs last semester, specifically on SD fraud. Turns out, it's not that common. Most fake SD can be easily spotted and rejected from public venues.

    It's all really sad. Poor Doogan.

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    Re: Service dog 'pit bull' denied access to hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Wise Owl View Post
    Some of the comments on that article make my blood boil. Why are people so stupid and ignorant?
    This comment especially bugs me

    The hospital made a good decision. They'd rather be sued by this gal rather than the parents of a dead or mutilated child. Pit bulls were bred to kill and mutilate. Not me speaking; the record speaks. Meggs? His mouth is still connected to his brain.


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    Re: Service dog 'pit bull' denied access to hospital

    I think I'm quoting Xeph or that recent conversation:
    1. The owner should have allowed the police to come, b/c they should know ADA rules, and would enforce them correctly.
    2. I believe that the Feds would have a field day with a lawsuit of this type.
    3. I think that hospital examiners would also have something to say.
    4. However, a business can ask a dog to leave if it makes a mess or is actively disruptive ... But, only AFTER the dog acts up...

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    Re: Service dog 'pit bull' denied access to hospital

    You don't buy a $400 harness for a fake service dog. The harness the dog was wearing is from Bold Lead Designs (where I get my harnesses). It is a custom made piece of equipment.

    1. The owner should have allowed the police to come, b/c they should know ADA rules, and would enforce them correctly.
    They should know...they often have no clue.

    4. However, a business can ask a dog to leave if it makes a mess or is actively disruptive ... But, only AFTER the dog acts up...
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    Re: Service dog 'pit bull' denied access to hospital

    On the FB page it says "My name is Doogan and I am a Mobility Assistance and Medical Alert Service Dog in Training. I am also a UKC Conformation Champion"

    So, is the dog *in training* or is it a full fledged service dog? The owner has no access rights with the dog if it is still in training. Businesses are offering a kindness by letting the dog in, but are not obligated to do so if the dog is only in training
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    Re: Service dog 'pit bull' denied access to hospital

    Looks like he is still recovering from TPLO surgery. Unclear if he is able to work now with restrictions.

    What a beautiful dog.

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    Re: Service dog 'pit bull' denied access to hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by zeronightfarm View Post
    I'm friends with Doogan and his owner. He is a real SD, and today is his 2nd birthday!
    I'm confused... the news clip states that the dog in question has been a service dog for over two years. Either their reporting is terrible, someone is lying, or Doogan was a service dog in the womb?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeph View Post
    On the FB page it says "My name is Doogan and I am a Mobility Assistance and Medical Alert Service Dog in Training. I am also a UKC Conformation Champion"

    So, is the dog *in training* or is it a full fledged service dog? The owner has no access rights with the dog if it is still in training. Businesses are offering a kindness by letting the dog in, but are not obligated to do so if the dog is only in training
    When does a dog officially go from in training to in service? In my mind the line seems kind of fuzzy... Like, if I needed a dog to do balance work and retrieve items for me, is he in service when he can do full balance work and *usually* retrieves things? Or must he be a 100% on all his task work to be in service? Or can he be a 100% on one task and of varying degrees good at his other tasks? As in... He has some of it down but not all of it. Obviously the dog must be well behaved to be in a public venue in the first place so that's step one to bring in service.

    I've been thinking about this for a while. I hope my question makes sense!

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    Re: Service dog 'pit bull' denied access to hospital

    When does a dog officially go from in training to in service? In my mind the line seems kind of fuzzy...
    It is sort of fuzzy. Loch technically could go into service now. He retrieves things asked of him about 98% of the time (non retrieval usually involves inability on his part). However, he does not yet do the mobility tasks, and so I do not consider him ready to go. We also need to do our PAT (not legally required, but good to have). I'm also still logging his training.

    A dog can never be 100%, so it is not a figure I use.

    Regardless of what my dog can or can't do reliably, the FB page says the dog is in training. If she's labeling it that way, it can cause her problems in court, as the hospital is not in the wrong in that case. On top of that, there are conflicting reports as to how long the dog has been in service. If he just turned two, clearly he has not been a working service dog for two years.
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    Re: Service dog 'pit bull' denied access to hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by Xeph View Post
    On the FB page it says "My name is Doogan and I am a Mobility Assistance and Medical Alert Service Dog in Training. I am also a UKC Conformation Champion"

    So, is the dog *in training* or is it a full fledged service dog? The owner has no access rights with the dog if it is still in training. Businesses are offering a kindness by letting the dog in, but are not obligated to do so if the dog is only in training
    That depends on the State. Here in SC SDIT have the same access rights as a SD, it's the same in FL.
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    Re: Service dog 'pit bull' denied access to hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by zeronightfarm View Post
    That depends on the State. Here in SC SDIT have the same access rights as a SD, it's the same in FL.
    Shoot...you beat me to it. I know CA is the same.
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    Re: Service dog 'pit bull' denied access to hospital

    I am curious why the news story isn't posted on the dogs page
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adjecyca1 View Post
    I am curious why the news story isn't posted on the dogs page
    It's posted on her personal Page, and she personally has shared it in SD groups, and now it's being shared all over FB.
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