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    New Puppy is dominate over older dog?

    My girlfriend and I got Apollo, an 18 pound, large fawn chihuaha, about 6 months ago. He's about 2 years old now. Then one day in December, I came home to find that she had gotten another dog on the spur of the moment. It was a 6 week old miniature pincsher\yorkie mix. She named him Zeus. She hadn't properly introduced the dogs, but there was nothing I could do about it at that point. She's impulsive like that.

    Immediately we saw Apollo's behavior take a turn for the worse. A dog that had always been housebroken was now peeing and pooping indoors on a daily basis. He refused to eat, kept his ears down all the time, and just didn't seem very happy. Keep in mind he was previously a VERY happy dog, who would always jump up to about chest level whenever you'd come home to see him. He never does this anymore.

    Zeus is about 4 months old now, and about 7 pounds. He regularly starts fights with Apollo, and Apollo always wins with ease. It's always playful fighting, and when Apollo bites too hard, Zeus yelps and Apollo stops. Yet when it comes to going out the door, or eating, Zeus always goes first. At mealtime, Zeus is downright vicious towards Apollo if Apollo attempts to get any food. I've tried feeding them in seperate areas, and with Zeus locked up, but Apollo doesn't seem interested in eating if he can't see that Zeus has eaten.

    As a result of his new non-housebroken behavior, Apollo now has to stay in a crate when we're not home.

    If Zeus is left in his crate in another room, closed off for any period of time, Apollo seems much happier. He doesn't lay his ears down anymore, he seems much more playful towards us, and just overall happier. If you feed him during a time like this, he eats enthusiastically.

    This is all very confusing to me. Zeus is scared of EVERYTHING. He runs yelping from pretty much anything. Whereas Apollo is extremely bold and aggressive towards new dogs, people and experiences. When I take them to the dog park, Apollo runs and plays with the other dogs while Zeus just runs in circles around my legs yelping. It seems as if Apollo should be in a higher pack position, but he's just not. He's very submissive towards Zeus, and I don't understand it.

    My girlfriend has recently caught on that Apollo is much happier without Zeus, and has started talking about getting rid of Zeus. I've grown to like the little guy, but I like Apollo much more, and if I have to choose between Apollo being happy and Zeus being around, I'll choose Apollo's happiness.

    Anyone have advice on how to change their relationship? Right now they're both sleeping peacefully in a dog bed under the desk, curled up together.

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    6 weeks old is too young to get a puppy and I'm afraid to ask where she got the pup from. This is part of the problem...the dog was taken too soon from his littermates and probably was not taken to a puppy school, correct? It sounds like Zeus was poorly socialized and now he does not have the communication skills that Apollo is comfortable with. Thus, Apollo is stressed around the dog.

    It's upsetting to me that you're considering getting rid of the dog as this is how the cycle of shelter life towards euthanasia starts for dogs like this. My recommendation is to seek the assistance of a certified dog trainer. It's no guarantee that the dog's will like each other, and you may have to manage the dogs for the rest of their lives, but if you gf has the impulse to bring a dog in, I hope she also has the impulse to consider all options before giving up on the dog.

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    Yes, please, please get some training. If you give up one of your dogs the chance of him finding another happy home is minimal. These do not sound like problems that a good trainer can't help you with.

    And let me use my little pack as an example. I have 4 Chihuahuas and an Anatolian Shepherd Dog. My oldest Chihuahua, Barney, has a definite Napoleon complex. He can be mean and snippy with all the other dogs. But, all five dogs, all males, live in the house together. They have all grown to understand Barney. I'm not saying there aren't fights - that's normal, but it's all within a very controlled environment.

    This is possible because I've been trained. That's right - I"VE BEEN TRAINED. I have learned from professionals and from reading a lot how to train, instruct and "distribute" the love and attention to my dogs so that they can live together very happily.

    You can do this too! Your dogs can learn to live together and may even begin to enjoy each other!

    Please keep us updated....God bless!
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    Very well said Curb and Dog5. When you get a dog you need to be responsible with him. Get both dogs signed up for obedience classes asap. Keep them separate when you are not home. Are they both fixed?


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    Re: New Puppy is dominate over older dog?

    The older dog has been to obedience training. And I've trained the little one myself. He's obedient, and can sit, sit up, lay down, come, stay, and go to bed. Both of them are.

    If you're saying socialization is the problem, I should probably just continue taking him to the dog park. He's been getting bolder every time I take him.

    And yes, he came from the shelter. His mother was a pure min-pin breeder that got knocked up by a yorkee, so her owners took her to the shelter. The mother and all the puppies were adopted out.

    If we got rid of him, he wouldn't go back to the shelter, he would go to a friend's house. He's small and cute, and everybody wants him. (Except for me.)

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    Re: New Puppy is dominate over older dog?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nebor View Post
    If you're saying socialization is the problem, I should probably just continue taking him to the dog park. He's been getting bolder every time I take him.
    This is purely a guess because we can't see what's actually going on. A certified trainer would be able to see, and the dog park may not necessarily be the right thing for the dog (you do not want to rehearse behaviors that you do not tolerate, so a more methodical approach would be better). The dog may need some skills first before going to a dog park, and a good trainer can help develop these skills not only for the dog, but you too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curbside Prophet View Post
    This is purely a guess because we can't see what's actually going on. A certified trainer would be able to see, and the dog park may not necessarily be the right thing for the dog. The dog may need some skills first before going to a dog park, and a good trainer can help develop these skills not only for the dog, but you too.
    I paid for a trainer for Apollo after obedience school because he was still having problems (mainly with recall) so I found an remote collar certified trainer. It was hugely expensive though, with the collar and the training sessions it cost about $1000. It was worth it because Apollo is extremely obedient and great off leash now.

    I'm not willing to spend $1000 training Zeus. Hopefully he'll learn how to interact by doing, and by growing up some in the next few months.

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    Socialization issues are not obedience issues. It's not about whether the dog will sit when you ask for sit. I'm speaking more towards classical conditioning and changing the dogs emotional response around other dogs, thus changing how the dog responds and communicates with other dogs, so that you can have access to obedience cues. This is not something you'd use an e-collar for. Sometimes in order to get the dog to sit, you have to show the dog why. And if it is a socialization issue, the why has to be associated with something positive...not an aversive like the e-collar would give. The e-collar could actually ruin the dog further.
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    Re: New Puppy is dominate over older dog?

    Can't take treats in the dog park, so it's hard to positively reinforce other than just praise and telling him it's ok.

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    Re: New Puppy is dominate over older dog?

    I wouldn't take treats to the dog park to begin with. Nor would a certified trainer start at a dog park. There are numerous options depending on your dog's needs. The trainer could start you with attention exercises, or meet and greets with known bullet-proof dogs. Perhaps there are management and training issues in the home that need to be rectified. Or impulse control exercises. Socialization does not necessarily start with putting two dogs together if one of them has a problem.

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    Re: New Puppy is dominate over older dog?

    The trainer could meet with you, your girlfriend, Apollo & Zeus and show you how to help them live with each other...
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