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    Many dog lovers believe there's no such thing as a bad dog, just bad training. And while we don't disagree that a good owner along with proper training and socialization can make a world of difference, we have to admit that some dog breeds are best suited to experienced owners.

    Those very traits that make certain breeds so good at the jobs they were bred to do, like hunting big game and guarding their owners and property, can make them a challenge for someone who's never trained a dog before.

    For instance, a dog bred for hunting, birding, working, or running long distances will work until his job is done, regardless of weather or distractions. When that same breed is kept as a family pet, his circumstances change, but his drive and instinct to go, go, go? Not so much. Therefore, he needs an owner who's prepared to work with that level of vitality to keep him from engaging in destructive behaviors.

    And consider the traditional guard dog, bred to be on the alert for anything that's out of the ordinary. In his original job, that might mean keeping an eye out for dangers and predators, but as a member of the family, it means he needs firm and entirely consistent training. While some dogs might understand a good deal of nuance - that it's OK to get on the couch with the kids, but not with Mom and Dad - a dog bred for guarding duties thrives on a dependable environment since knowing what is regular and routine is absolutely necessary to determine what's not.

    We've already shared what dogs veterinary professionals deemed the 18 best dog breeds for new owners, and now we're sharing which breeds those same 218 experts thought were the worst choices for first-time dog owners.

    Please note: We don't mean to imply these are "bad" breeds, and in no case is any breed friendly or aggressive clear across the board. However, if you're a first-time, inexperienced dog owner, these are dogs you might want to wait to bring home until you have a few years of training under your belt.

    No. 1: Akita
    The Akita was bred to hunt big game such as bear, boar and elk. He can also weigh upwards of 115 pounds (or even more), and requires a 20-30 minute walk every day, always on leash due to a strong prey drive. He's a beautiful dog, but sheds heavily and can be a challenge to train, making him best suited to experienced dog owners.

    No. 2: Chow Chow
    Not known for being particularly lovey-dovey, the Chow Chow isn't the teddy bear he appears to be. He's intelligent but stubborn, and may require a lot of training before you get the results you're looking for. This breed is wary of strangers and may be aggressive toward dogs he doesn't know.

    No. 3: Chinese Shar-Pei
    The Chinese Shar-Pei requires an assertive, experienced owner to train him and keep him from getting bored. This highly territorial dog tends to bond with one person, and can be quite distrustful of those he doesn't know - humans and canines alike. And all those dramatic skin folds can increase the tendency for chronic skin and eye conditions that a nave pet owner may find daunting.

    No. 4: Alaskan Malamute
    He's friendly, joyful and exuberant, which may make him attractive to someone seeking a first dog, but be warned: The Alaskan Malamute sheds like crazy, pulls on leash with all of his 65-100 pounds and is a talented escape artist. This breed is made to travel far on his own four feet and he needs a family committed to a lot of exercise when it's best for him. That thick fur coat also leaves him vulnerable to heat injury.

    No. 5: Rottweiler
    Although he can be a gentle giant, the wrong Rottweiler with the wrong owner can truly be a scary dog. A Rottweiler wants someone to be the boss, and if you're not taking the job, he will. He's powerful and protective, and known for being extremely loyal when it comes to his people and his property. Considering he can weigh as much as 135 pounds (and most of it muscle), he can generally back up his threatening growl.

    No. 6: Weimaraner
    The "Gray Ghost" earned his nickname for his beautiful gray coat and habit of following his owner closely, but the highly intelligent Weimaraner isn't the right dog for everyone. He's extremely energetic with no "off" switch, and he's not happy being left alone - separation anxiety can be a real issue with this breed. He can be difficult to housetrain and a hazard to cats and other small pets, but if you plan to spend many days hunting, hiking or doing obedience and agility with him by your side, you might have found your perfect companion.

    No. 7: Dalmatian
    The spotted Dalmatian isn't just a Disney darling - he was bred to work as a coach dog, running alongside carriages or horses, alerting coachmen to approaching highwaymen and warding off stray dogs. That's how he became the traditional firehouse dog - he kept the streets clear for horse-drawn fire engines. However, the traits that made him perfect for this work can make him a challenge in the home. He has an endless capacity for exercise and can be destructive when bored. Also, he's a notorious shedder with stiff fur that weaves its way into fabric (but not out).

    No. 8: Australian Cattle Dog
    Sometimes known as a Blue Heeler or Australian Heeler, the Australian Cattle Dog is a medium-sized dog with serious endurance. Originally made up of several breeds, including the Collie, Dingo, Bull Terrier, Dalmatian, and Black and Tan Kelpie, he has a reputation for being stubborn and having energy to spare - not to mention a truly adventurous spirit and belief in his own invincibility that will leave you wondering how he'll injure himself next.

    9 German Shepherd Dog
    Highly intelligent and a natural protector, the German Shepherd Dog is well-suited to a wide variety of jobs: He's worked as a guide dog, a drug sniffer, and, of course, a police and military dog. There's little he can't do with the right training, but that's exactly why he's not ideal for newbies - it takes quite a bit of training, exercise and dedication to stay "smarter" than he is. And all those smarts come with higher-than-average tendencies toward some pretty serious health problems including hip dysplasia and neurologic issues.

    No. 10: Saint Bernard
    The Saint Bernard is incredibly lovable, but this gentle giant is also a lot of work. He drools (and drools and drools) and is known to ingest items like socks and dishtowels. Because of his enormous size (130-180 pounds or more), you might think he'd like to hang out in your big backyard, but you'd be wrong - he's prone to heatstroke and loves being around his people, so he's very much an indoor dog.

    No. 11: Siberian Husky
    The happy and affectionate Siberian Husky is a working dog that thrives in cold, snowy climates. He was bred to pull sleds over long distances, and his liveliness reflects that - a short walk around the block won't do for this breed. He sheds heavily, is a capable escape artist and has a strong predatory drive, so he's not a great choice for homes with cats or small pets.

    No. 12: Bulldog
    The Bulldog is generally good-natured and his goofy, wrinkled mug certainly makes him lovable, but the breed's heavy build and flat face make him particularly sensitive to heat, exercise and stress. He can't swim, so if you have a pool, pond or spa, his access should be restricted. He is prone to a variety of health issues and some may say he's challenging to train, but his fans don't mind - his entertaining antics and laid-back attitude make up for it in the right home.

    No. 13: Bullmastiff
    Devoted and protective to the point that he'd lay down his life for his family, the Bullmastiff has a mind of his own - and considering that he weighs in at 100-130 pounds, he can easily overwhelm an owner who isn't ready to stand up to him. He needs good, consistent, positive training and firm boundaries from a young age. He also needs someone to follow him with a mop, because this dog can drool. His high prey drive means he should always be kept on leash, and he doesn't generally love other dogs, so he's best as an only pet.

    No. 14: Airedale Terrier
    The Airedale Terrier is quite a character. Independent, intelligent and stubborn, he'll keep you laughing - and on your toes, as he's a notorious digger and counter-surfer. He'll bring the same exuberance and joy to playing games as he brings to excavating your garden and eating your drywall. He's not great with other dogs or animals and needs plenty of stimulation (both physical and mental). It should be noted, too, that this "King of the Terriers" was the inspiration for Margaret Marshall Saunders' novel Beautiful Joe, the story of an abused dog, which sparked the creation of the modern humane movement.

    Honorable Mention: American Pit Bull Terrier
    Although the American Pit Bull Terrier received enough votes for this category to land a place at the bottom of this list, he also earned a significant number of votes as the best breed for new owners, which canceled out enough of the negative votes to knock him out of the running.

    He looks formidable and has historically been used in dog fighting rings, giving him a frightening reputation, but over the last few decades, he's been bred to love and accept people. In the right home, he's a devoted and loyal companion (although he can have conflicts with other dogs or with cats). But as with many dogs bred for strength, a mistreated Pit can be a problem.

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    Re: 15 Dog Breeds New Owners Should Avoid

    I generally hate lists like this, as every.single.dog out there can turn into an unruly, aggressive a'hole without the right training & socialization. I don't like that the sheds more light on the "aggressive" breeds, but maybe it will allow for idiot potential owners to have second thoughts about running out and getting a Rottie or an akita.


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    Re: 15 Dog Breeds New Owners Should Avoid

    There are certainly breeds I wouldn't suggest to a new dog owner. HOWEVER if asked, I'd go with the person and take a look at the dog and then make a decision whether or not I'd recommend getting the dog. Plus, one of the most highly driven breeds is not even on the list, which is the Belgian Malinois. Or what about the Caucasian Shepherd?

    If they have the GSD up there as highly protective and the perfect guardian than they have not seen a Caucasian Shepherd. And a Belgian Malinois is basically a Shepherd on Crack and those are only two of the breeds that I wouldn't necessarily recommend to a puppy buyer.

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    I've heard of some of these dogs needing experienced owners, the others I haven't (ex: Dalmatian). I think most people need to be told this unless they've exhausted their researching and are extremely well prepared. There are so many people that just don't research. When I went to pick up my dog and I had to sign some papers, so I just took out a book on Cotons and the breeder said he was glad I did my research. He told me not many people do, which is sad.

    I also think there are some breeds out there that first timers shouldn't get. And then there are some breeds I don't think people should have, you see them walking all over their owners and the owners just don't get it or they've tried everything and it's not working. So go with an easier breed first and then work you're way up. Or just admire that dog from afar. I love Karelian Bear Dogs, would I ever own one? No. I wouldn't be able to handle the dog, but I can admire his working ability and beautiful black/white coat from afar. Maybe I'll even pet one one day, when he's off work...if they're ever off work.

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    I disagree completely. Not every "new owner" should avoid these breeds and some "new owners" should avoid all breeds.

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    I think new owners should never get puppies . Ever. Truly first-time owners anyway. You really should have some living-with-dogs experience before getting a puppy. Breed is secondary to that. Some people would be OK with a Rottie for their first dog, some wouldn't---I got my Rott as an adult, and he's WAY easier than my Lab puppy was (stupidly, my first dog experience ever). Lab puppies are not suitable for first-time owners, for sure!

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    Re: 15 Dog Breeds New Owners Should Avoid

    There area few on that list that I agree with and there are a few breeds on that list I would recommend to a first time owner...
    I'll make a new one-
    APBT
    Belgian Malanois
    Fila Brasileiro
    Cane Corso
    Boerboel
    JRT
    Caucasian Ovarchka
    Dogo Argentino
    Siberian Husky
    Bully Kutta
    Kangal
    Tibetan Mastiff
    Tosa Inu
    Korean Jindo

    I'm sure there's more but ill have to think.

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    I've had GSD's all 55yrs of my life and always found them to be the easiest dog to train. I often wondered why they are always listed as a dog not good for new dog owners - until a recent thread about a GSD. OK, so now I do get it.

    I do agree with ludosmum in that "Not every "new owner" should avoid these breeds and some "new owners" should avoid all breeds."

    Not everyone is dog savvy whereas for some it comes naturally. JMHO
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    I think if you're talking about a 'general' first time owner who isn't super dog savvy, then it's a good list as a starting point. It sounds like they had people vote on the breeds which is probably why less 'mainstream' breeds aren't on there.

    If nothing else, it could make someone think twice and do a bit more research if they were intending on getting one of the breeds on the list to see if they are really a good fit. Maybe they are and maybe they aren't, but a little extra caution and knowledge never hurts.

    I do agree that Mal's should be on there though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ireth0 View Post
    I think if you're talking about a 'general' first time owner who isn't super dog savvy, then it's a good list as a starting point. It sounds like they had people vote on the breeds which is probably why less 'mainstream' breeds aren't on there.

    If nothing else, it could make someone think twice and do a bit more research if they were intending on getting one of the breeds on the list to see if they are really a good fit. Maybe they are and maybe they aren't, but a little extra caution and knowledge never hurts.

    I do agree that Mal's should be on there though.
    So should JRT's LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lego View Post
    So should JRT's LOL!
    Oh jeeze! Yes for sure!

    BC's aren't on there but I would probably add them just for being a lot more than the average Joe is likely wanting to take on.


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    oi
    who else had a malamute or malamute mix as their first dog? *raises hand*

    It's very dependant on the person and what their life and personality is like. I know new owners who shouldn't even have pets.
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    I think it would be nice if most new dog owners got a gentle introduction to dog ownership. I, for one, though, kind of jumped in feet first with concrete blocks tied to my feet. My first dog of my very own after leaving home was a Carolina Dog, which isn't on the list because they aren't common, but otherwise should be, with serious issues. I wouldn't have recommended her for a first time dog owner.

    We survived and I learned a ton, but it was really, really hard and there were times I thought, "Maybe I'm not actually a dog person after all." And this was after growing up with dogs.

    I have a coworker who just recently adopted his first dog, a 2 year old, already trained and socialized pit mix. It's nice hearing his stories and seeing someone who actually hit the easy button for their first dog. Why make things harder for yourself if you don't have to?

    But then...some of us NEVER do anything the easy way.

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    The problem is that the same idiot Rottie/Pittie/etc owners are going to be the ones that don't do their research anyways. If they want it, they want it.

    Those new owners/first timers who are more willing to do their research and consider various breeds are probably going to be the better owners, and perhaps the same people that would fare better with the "breeds new owners should avoid" than some random chachi wanting a Pitbull to look cool and tough.

    Very sad though, to see all the dogs being rehomed because the owners didn't do their research.

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    I was laughing at the "needs a 20-30 minute walk every day" bit in the Akita description, as if that's a large amount of time... All dogs should get that minimum, baring old age/frailty/sickness or the owners needing a day off

    Not a bad list for the Dog Dumb but I think Border Collie should be up there rather than German Shepherds. Love both breeds, but most GSD mixes I know are more bombproof than the BC/mixes I know. However, the most bombproof dog I know is a BC/possible mix, so there are exceptions to the rule.

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    Re: 15 Dog Breeds New Owners Should Avoid

    The problem is that the same idiot Rottie/Pittie/etc owners are going to be the ones that don't do their research anyways. If they want it, they want it.

    Those new owners/first timers who are more willing to do their research and consider various breeds are probably going to be the better owners, and perhaps the same people that would fare better with the "breeds new owners should avoid" than some random chachi wanting a Pitbull to look cool and tough.

    Very sad though, to see all the dogs being rehomed because the owners didn't do their research.
    I agree with this. All new dog owners should do research on breeds before getting a dog/puppy. They also need to put aside their "wants" for what's best for the dog and what suits their lifestyle.

    I wouldn't say the breeds on that list should be avoided by new dog owners so long as they've done their research and are prepared for what they're getting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willowy View Post
    I think new owners should never get puppies . Ever. Truly first-time owners anyway. You really should have some living-with-dogs experience before getting a puppy. Breed is secondary to that. Some people would be OK with a Rottie for their first dog, some wouldn't---I got my Rott as an adult, and he's WAY easier than my Lab puppy was (stupidly, my first dog experience ever). Lab puppies are not suitable for first-time owners, for sure!
    I tend to agree with this. Not that there aren't people out there who will do fine with a puppy, but for people with no dog experience at all it's quite a rude awakening! At least judging from posts here, many people do a lot of worrying about how much their pup is biting, how to potty train, and whether or not they will grow up to be aggressive, and they don't spend much time actually enjoying the puppy.


    As far as the breed goes, I think the list is decent. Obviously there are others that could be included, but in general I think it's a reasonable guide to follow. Not sure I understand the bulldog though - they may have health issues, but temperamentally they are often lazy and laid back, which is a good fit for many families.

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    I did research out the wazoo and I still wasn't ready for a puppy. But we got through it. I think a sense of commitment is the most important thing for any dog owner, new or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonAccent View Post
    I was laughing at the "needs a 20-30 minute walk every day" bit in the Akita description, as if that's a large amount of time... All dogs should get that minimum, baring old age/frailty/sickness or the owners needing a day off
    Me too! My Prague Ratter, who according to many reports, don't need walking at all gets an hour in the morning, half an hour at lunch time and half an hour to 40 minutes in the evening and he's still hyper!
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    There are some people who could own those breeds as first timers and have no problem. Maybe they've done their research, grown up within the breed, and/or have volunteered with the breed.

    Then there are people who may be better suited for other breeds. Perhaps something with less drive or different exercise needs. A breed that is easy for me might not be easy for another person. Aussie, yes please. Hound dog, no thank you.

    Then, then there are people who just should not own dogs. :P

    Bae, the husky mix, is my first dog. Yeah there is some leash reactivity kinks but other than that, I'm an active dog person who grew up with an active dog. I think I'm doung alright as far as first timers go. Would I suggest Bae's breed mix to other first timers? Nope. Not unless they lived a similar or comparable lifestyle to mine.

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