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    The Tom Rose School

    So I got this book and DVD from the Tom Rose School in High Ridge, MO. They do all sorts of dog training there but what interested me most was their Service Dog training program.

    I am a little weary about 'schools' for practical trades such as dog training, but this actually seems like a good program. More hands on and practical tests than anything. I'd do it in a heartbeat just so i could learn a thing or two but I don't have $15,000 to just spend.

    Anyone know of this place?


    Oh and what about Bergin University of Canine Studies?
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    I think you're right to be wary.

    IMO, you're better off reading at home, volunteering with a variety of dogs, and trying to find an apprenticeship with a good trainer. I'm still working on the latter.

    I volunteer with two girls that have gone through Penn Foster(sp?), Animal Behavior College, and/or one local trainer's "school". Guess where they are now? Still training for free at the no-kill shelter along with me. IMO(not to sound arrogant), but I'm more experienced and well versed than both of them. They are still stumped by little problems while I have more tricks of my sleeve, so to speak. That sounds bad and I'm am so not the type to inflate my own ego but it's true.

    However, this is just my experience. I'm sure there are programs out there that really are what they make themselves out to be. Maybe these two girls I train with just aren't cut out for the field(one went through all three of the programs listed, the other went through two).

    I'd be worried about how credible established companies/trainers consider these courses to be. For example, I was trained on the job as a pastry chef. As it turns out, I'm not too shabby. Our bakery also hired two people from the local culinary school. Both became the butt of many jokes and were considered incompetent. One girl was the designated sheet cake icer because that's about all she could do... After that, we didn't hire anybody else from culinary schools.

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    Re: The Tom Rose School

    Quote Originally Posted by +two View Post
    So I got this book and DVD from the Tom Rose School in High Ridge, MO. They do all sorts of dog training there but what interested me most was their Service Dog training program.

    I am a little weary about 'schools' for practical trades such as dog training, but this actually seems like a good program. More hands on and practical tests than anything. I'd do it in a heartbeat just so i could learn a thing or two but I don't have $15,000 to just spend.

    Anyone know of this place?


    Oh and what about Bergin University of Canine Studies?
    I went to a seminar with him back when I was doing a bit of SchH. He had good working dogs. Very traditional methods, but this was decades ago - literally and I don't know if that's changed or not.

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    Went poking around about him. found a Fauxnews video. Baby puppies really need both a prong AND an ecollar? Really? If I were going to spend money on trainer education, I'd be looking at Karen Pryor Academy, which is a combination of online and working with a mentor. I took one of their on-line courses and it was excellent. They aren't cheap, but they also aren't $15,000. For that matter, I've never heard of a trainer who was a graduate of Tom Rose.

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    I've seen a video (I thiiiiiink on his site?) of some students training dogs. Young dogs clearly still learning the behaviors being asked of them... on e-collars. Which is not my favorite use of the tool. I might have seen another video of a Tom Rose student training a Labrador puppy with a prong collar. The trainer was VERY skilled, incredibly quiet body and clear cues, very very clean and precise training. The mechanical skill is good, the methods are not my preference.

    Of the dog training schools, Tom Rose probably one of the better ones if you don't mind how they train. But I don't think most of those schools are worth it in the long run. I don't think you get your money's worth of information you couldn't get from apprenticing and good mentorship at a fraction of the cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaeganW View Post
    I've seen a video (I thiiiiiink on his site?) of some students training dogs. Young dogs clearly still learning the behaviors being asked of them... on e-collars. Which is not my favorite use of the tool. I might have seen another video of a Tom Rose student training a Labrador puppy with a prong collar. The trainer was VERY skilled, incredibly quiet body and clear cues, very very clean and precise training. The mechanical skill is good, the methods are not my preference.

    Of the dog training schools, Tom Rose probably one of the better ones if you don't mind how they train. But I don't think most of those schools are worth it in the long run. I don't think you get your money's worth of information you couldn't get from apprenticing and good mentorship at a fraction of the cost.
    The video I just watched, a number of the puppies were wearing both prong and ecollar. A few were wearing one or the other

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pawzk9 View Post
    The video I just watched, a number of the puppies were wearing both prong and ecollar. A few were wearing one or the other
    I think we watched the same video. Fauxnews, that sounds right, that was the first one. The other one, the one with the Lab, that was a private video on Youtube. Someone I know bred the puppy. The work they were doing was very very nice, don't get me wrong, the work was beautiful and done with a young dog (under a year). But it's not how I prefer to train.
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    Re: The Tom Rose School

    I see this is an old thread but just want to comment on Tom's school.
    I went through the Master program 4 years ago and I can not say enough good things about the course. Within a year you will have the skills and confidence to compete at a level that most self taught individuals do not achieve for 10 years. Not everyone can make it and usually those are the ones that did not have a positive experience. You work with so many dogs of different nature from aggressive to timid rescues. Tom's school will give you real life experience
    with group lessons, kennel work and people skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Den View Post
    I see this is an old thread but just want to comment on Tom's school.
    I went through the Master program 4 years ago and I can not say enough good things about the course. Within a year you will have the skills and confidence to compete at a level that most self taught individuals do not achieve for 10 years. Not everyone can make it and usually those are the ones that did not have a positive experience. You work with so many dogs of different nature from aggressive to timid rescues. Tom's school will give you real life experience
    with group lessons, kennel work and people skills.
    How much positive reinforcement work do they do compared to correction-based work? I know that they do both. What would you say the split is?

    And what level were you able to compete at when you left?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trainingjunkie View Post
    How much positive reinforcement work do they do compared to correction-based work? I know that they do both. What would you say the split is?

    And what level were you able to compete at when you left?
    Competed at the Utility level.
    Students are required to pass a positive motivation CGC but it really depends on the
    student on how much positive to correction based. The newer students tend to be correction happy but settle down with their second dog.

    Also attended Karen Pryor's school which
    I really enjoyed.

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