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    Joint pain relief for dogs

    My dog which is a beagle/hound mix has been having some joint pain.
    I read another blog site about arthritic dogs. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...2205618AAQemtk
    Any suggestions here?

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    Re: Joint pain relief for dogs

    There are a bunch of threads on arthritis on the "health" section of these forums if you search for it.

    Otherwise ask your vet about trying Adequan for a month. They are a series of shots that the vet can show you how to do. It actually makes the body produce more joint lubrication, which reduces pain since the bones no longer grind on each other.

    Also start giving your dog a Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM supplement. You can buy the pills for people in the joint section of the drug store/grocery store. Give the adult (person) dose. I wrap the pills in cheese, and give a pill followed by a piece of cheese without the pill, so he gulps the 1st pill trying to get the next piece of cheese.

    If the pain gets bad, consider Metacam from your vet, or Tramadol. Or there are NSAIDs like Rimadyl, Previcox, Derramax, Etodolac. (They are similar to ibuprofin. Don't give human pain meds to your dog. (Aspirin is ok short term but can cause stomach ulcers/bleeding. Cannot mix aspirin with NSAIDs).
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    The Gluc/Chon/MSM does work. It can take a few weeks sometimes to see results though, so if the arthritis is bad enough, a pain reliever can be used if even short-term until the supplement takes effect. I used to give my Golden, Willow, half of a pill a day. She was about 55 lbs so I figured that was half an adult dose. At about 10 yrs old she would sometimes limp on her right front shoulder if she took of in a mad sprint after a squirrel. The Gluc/Chon/MSM worked very well for her. I had to discontinue use with her spleen cancer. She is prone to a tumor rupture and the vet said that this supplement has been indicated (not proven) in clotting issues in people- so just on the safe side. She is on Tramadol for the cancer pain, so she is fine, no limping although she'll still get the odd burst of energy.

    I want to start giving some to my boyfriend's JRT. Jack is 12 or 13 yrs old now and when he was one yr old he broke his rear right leg and hip. Now with age he is lifting it a lot and sometimes when he is using it, it will suddenly give out on him. He doesn't seem to care, in typical JRT fashion he keeps going, but if I can help- why not? He is of the short-legged variety, and overweight. The OP's dog is likely a larger dog than Jack. What do you think is an appropriate dose?
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    Give the adult (person) dose.
    I find pills go down better with a "chaser" too!
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    It all depends on the dog, what works for some doesn't work for others. A few things: I read in the Whole Dog Journal that a grain free diet may be best for dogs with joint issues. Use fish or salmon oil. Keep the dog lean, not overweight. A good glucosamine/msm supplement may help; my holistic vet likes a general human one for dogs. My dog was about 28lbs, she suggested a 500mg supplement. Rimadyl, metacam, zubrin are all ones to try. Tramadol as well

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    Re: Joint pain relief for dogs

    find pills go down better with a "chaser" too!
    me too... For me as well

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    Omega-3 oil is good both from fish and from Flax. Gentle massage and exercise help. Walking is good, some low stairs, if he can walk them, not jump, like a curb, may help.

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    Re: Joint pain relief for dogs

    I know this thread was from a while ago but I have a joint related question about my dog...
    He's been having this 'head dipping' problem since around December 2010. He doesn't limp or favor a specific leg AT ALL. All you can see is a slight dip in his head with each step, and up till now I figure is has to do with his joints.
    Yes, we've been to the vet multiple times. At first the vet thought it was a minor sprained ligament in his right rear knee. Apparently, it went away in a few months while we withheld exercise (I was in South Africa during that time). But when I came back in May and ran him again, he started showing the symptoms again. I suppose this could have been from the sudden burst in exercise when I got back.
    Very recently we went to the vets again for a checkup... No pain, no stiffness (when the vet moved the joint), no discomfort. Did a lyme titer and the results were negative. I notice the dipping after more intense activities like full out running and jumping. So as of right now we're giving him a proper amount of exercise every day, but nothing more than brisk walking. I'm not home at the moment but my mom has reported "stiffness in the morning that goes away after he moves around a bit."

    He's male, 5 years+, neutered, black lab mix.
    Has been taking fish oil, Vitamin E and Glucosamine+Chondroiton every day for a few years now.
    He's grown up on slippery tile floors, and I'm aware that the lab part of him might be showing when it comes to joint problems.
    Everything, from behavior to appetite, is otherwise normal. He'd run/jump/do cartwheels if I let him...

    The thing is, I'm really confused as to what this is, why it's been so persistent, and when that day will come when we can both be wild hooligans in the field again.
    Also, I'm wondering if it would do more harm than good if I started him on Adequan, even if his symtoms are very mild as of right now? Can Adequan be used only when the joints are in chronic condition or can I use it before it gets to that? This won't be an impulsive decision or anything; I'll be home in 3ish weeks but if things aren't better by then I am considering it.

    Sorry for the long post, I figured more details are better than less.
    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canyx View Post
    I know this thread was from a while ago but I have a joint related question about my dog...
    He's been having this 'head dipping' problem since around December 2010. He doesn't limp or favor a specific leg AT ALL. All you can see is a slight dip in his head with each step, and up till now I figure is has to do with his joints.
    Yes, we've been to the vet multiple times. At first the vet thought it was a minor sprained ligament in his right rear knee. Apparently, it went away in a few months while we withheld exercise (I was in South Africa during that time). But when I came back in May and ran him again, he started showing the symptoms again. I suppose this could have been from the sudden burst in exercise when I got back.
    Very recently we went to the vets again for a checkup... No pain, no stiffness (when the vet moved the joint), no discomfort. Did a lyme titer and the results were negative. I notice the dipping after more intense activities like full out running and jumping. So as of right now we're giving him a proper amount of exercise every day, but nothing more than brisk walking. I'm not home at the moment but my mom has reported "stiffness in the morning that goes away after he moves around a bit."

    He's male, 5 years+, neutered, black lab mix.
    Has been taking fish oil, Vitamin E and Glucosamine+Chondroiton every day for a few years now.
    He's grown up on slippery tile floors, and I'm aware that the lab part of him might be showing when it comes to joint problems.
    Everything, from behavior to appetite, is otherwise normal. He'd run/jump/do cartwheels if I let him...

    The thing is, I'm really confused as to what this is, why it's been so persistent, and when that day will come when we can both be wild hooligans in the field again.
    Also, I'm wondering if it would do more harm than good if I started him on Adequan, even if his symtoms are very mild as of right now? Can Adequan be used only when the joints are in chronic condition or can I use it before it gets to that? This won't be an impulsive decision or anything; I'll be home in 3ish weeks but if things aren't better by then I am considering it.

    Sorry for the long post, I figured more details are better than less.
    Thanks!
    Adequan helps the joints replace the synovial fluid. It actually works best if started before they get really bad. There is no down side to starting it early, as it is a neutroceutical, as opposed to a "masking" drug. It doesn't mask pain, but removes the cause, if the cause is arthritis (which is normally caused by insufficient lubrication of joints).
    Recent studies shows it works best to do the loading dose once or twice a yr. That is one month of shots about every 4 days. You can have your vet show you how to give them, as it's really easy. Cost of 1 month supply of meds is about 225.00. After completing the month, you should have a good idea if it helped.
    The head bobbing is typically indicative of a front leg lameness. The head goes down when the bad leg is stepped on.
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    Thanks spotted nikes!
    Could you please further explain how to give loading doses over a period of time? I read that Adequan was a bi-weekly shot given over the course of a month. I think I'm stuck on the "one month of shots every 4 days" bit

    You know, before the vets I also originally thought it was a front leg thing. The right front leg, to be exact. I'm not medically trained at all but I am pretty good at 'seeing' movement, anatomy and symmetry. While watching my dog walk from multiple angles, I could never see the 'rear leg stiffness' my vet was talking about. I DID, however, see the dip occur with the front right leg. All that said, I chose to trust the judgment of my vet and have been half convinced it was a rear knee thing up till now. When you say front leg lameness, are you talking about a joint issue or a muscle/ligament one?

    I've been jumping back and forth on whether or not it is worth getting an MRI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canyx View Post
    Thanks spotted nikes!
    Could you please further explain how to give loading doses over a period of time? I read that Adequan was a bi-weekly shot given over the course of a month. I think I'm stuck on the "one month of shots every 4 days" bit

    You know, before the vets I also originally thought it was a front leg thing. The right front leg, to be exact. I'm not medically trained at all but I am pretty good at 'seeing' movement, anatomy and symmetry. While watching my dog walk from multiple angles, I could never see the 'rear leg stiffness' my vet was talking about. I DID, however, see the dip occur with the front right leg. All that said, I chose to trust the judgment of my vet and have been half convinced it was a rear knee thing up till now. When you say front leg lameness, are you talking about a joint issue or a muscle/ligament one?

    I've been jumping back and forth on whether or not it is worth getting an MRI.
    Link to dosing from Adequan Canine site (you might want to browse around on this site for more info)- http://www.adequancanine.us/about/en/works.shtml

    Regarding joint or muscle/ligament...it could be any of those. An MRI would narrow it down. As would doing a cycle of Adequan (it would rule out joint issues). If it's a muscle, tendon or ligament, you won't see any difference with the Adequan, as it only replaces the synovial fluid in joints, to prevent "bone grinding on bone" pain. It doesn't contain any pain killers so it won't mask any pain caused by muscle/ligament/tendon injuries. It reduces pain of arthritis by putting more fluid/cushioning in the joints, so the cause of the pain is eliminated.

    Not all vets are good at all things. Identifying lameness issues may be one of those things that your vet may be weaker at. Getting a 2nd opinion to have a vet observe his gait when he limps, would be cheap. You'd probably just pay for an office visit. Personally, I would do that before getting an MRI due to cost.

    The other thing to consider (just to further confuse you, lol) is that a front leg lameness can cause soreness in the hind leg on the opposite side. So, a sore rt front leg can cause a left hind to get sore from compensating. But the reverse can also happen. Hind leg soreness, can cause a diagonal front leg soreness, due to compensating. But the original injured/sore limb, will show as being most sore. Typically, a head bob is front limb. A shortened step in back, would be a slight hind end soreness. A dropping hip, or holding the hind leg up for a couple of steps, is a hind leg injury. Based on your original post of head bobbing, and the vet saying a slight stiffness in hind end, I'd guess front leg is more sore. But it's purely a guess, and I am going off of just written words, not seeing the dog. I think your mind would be most eased, getting a 2nd opinion.
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    Thanks a million for all the great advice!
    You're right, I think I'll get a second opinion before getting an MRI or buying adequan (will also check out the site).

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    One short term palliative is to ask the Vet about Rimadyl (with a handful of food) or something similar for pain relief. Also, ask the Vet about the possibility of a pinched nerve in the dog's neck. If that is diagnosed, there are some exercises that you may be able to do to help, although not sure how you get the dog to do them...

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    Have any of your heard of in-clinic stem cell procedures for arthritis? I have a friend who just treated their dog, and it seems like a new dog! I've noticed in my dog that the left hip seems to be giving her trouble, but I'm uncomfortable with a constant dose of pain reliever. Any thoughts on this adult stem cell procedure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoodleMixes View Post
    Have any of your heard of in-clinic stem cell procedures for arthritis? I have a friend who just treated their dog, and it seems like a new dog! I've noticed in my dog that the left hip seems to be giving her trouble, but I'm uncomfortable with a constant dose of pain reliever. Any thoughts on this adult stem cell procedure?
    They are doing stem cell treatment on horses with some success. Maybe contact the vet that did your friend's dog, and send him your dog's medical records and get his opinion on whether it would be worth trying.
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    Thanks! I've heard A LOT about it with race horses. I think I will contact the vet. Thanks again!

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    Some of the Vets in Texas and in S.C. use the stem cell procedure. I have no personal experience, but you can find practioners by searching with Google. For one example "stem cell treatment canine arthritis": http://www.vet-stem.com/smallanimal/...FdMn2god6Ui67w

    There seems to be lots of info and you can narrow the results for your zipcode. However, I believe that this may be an expensive procedure...

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    I called a couple clinics around here. There are many vets offering the procedure in their clinic through MediVet America. One clinic offers the procedure for $1,200. Is that the price you were thinking?

    Thanks!

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    Baby aspirin...it will do wonders. Only once a day as it can be hard on the stomach. I hide my dogs pill in marshmellows!!!!

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    Awesome! Simple and sweet.

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