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    I'm very new to this forum but I had to say something as I was looking for some potty questions apparently like %50 of everyone else here. I just couldn't help but chuckle at the frustration of being overwhelmed with this subject. I think it's really an issue of people want instant gratification with their question. Great info though and I'll be sure to curb my potty question post! Thanks for sharing

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    Well, I gotta say that the whole reason I searched out a forum was to ask potty questions. I have read and read and done a ton of research and have yet to find an answer to my potty question. I think it's perfectly acceptable for anyone who has questions for their unique situation to be able to get advice from people who have done it before. Unfortunately for a lot of people, if they can't train their puppy properly its a make it or break it. And getting some reassurance or answers to questions maybe just what they need to hang in there. I looked at all the forums you posted and none of them gave me the answers I needed. Guess its back to searching the internet. I will maybe come back when I have a question that doesn't frustrate anyone. But after reading some of the responses to this, I'm guess that "the first time dog owner" thread really isn't for people who have their first dog and need help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilysmommy12 View Post
    Well, I gotta say that the whole reason I searched out a forum was to ask potty questions. I have read and read and done a ton of research and have yet to find an answer to my potty question. I think it's perfectly acceptable for anyone who has questions for their unique situation to be able to get advice from people who have done it before. Unfortunately for a lot of people, if they can't train their puppy properly its a make it or break it. And getting some reassurance or answers to questions maybe just what they need to hang in there. I looked at all the forums you posted and none of them gave me the answers I needed. Guess its back to searching the internet. I will maybe come back when I have a question that doesn't frustrate anyone. But after reading some of the responses to this, I'm guess that "the first time dog owner" thread really isn't for people who have their first dog and need help.
    What is your question? The frustration is with people who post without researching first or bothinger to read the 1 million other potty posts. But if you think you have a unique question, you're welcome to ask and we can try to help!

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    I can see how it could get annoying but at the same time, potty training is important to the happiness of the the puppy and the owner. I see threads like this and see people missing out on a chance to really help someone get off on a great foot with what could and should be one of the most important relationships they will have. When I successfully potty train and I see someone who is trying and frustrated, I'm going to help as best I can because I hope others who are passionate about dogs would do the same. Potty training is one of those things where the sooner you get it right the better for the puppy. And the faster you can get help, the better. You aren't left with having to try correct bad habits.
    I just feel like that's what these forums should be about, helping people be the best people for their dogs, you know?

    Forums are such a great idea and resource because you take your questions to hundreds of people who have done this before and were successful. Even if someone just needs a pat on a back and a keep it up.

    I understand its annoying but why miss out on an opportunity to possible give someone the answer that makes all the difference. Why miss out on a chance to help someone when you know the answer that could change everything for the better. That's what life is about in my opinion.

    I will save my question after more research. If I can't find anything in the next few days I will ask.

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    1.) Age Of Dog/Puppy: 9 weeks
    2.) Length Of Ownership: 4 days
    3.) Method Of House Training: Taking her to same spot outside. No potty pads.
    4.) Breed Of Dog/Puppy: Black lab/collie mix
    5.) Where Dog/Puppy Is Kept: Crate and living space of 1 bedroom apartment
    6.) Where Accidents Occur: in the living space
    7.) How Long Its Gone On: 4 days
    8.) How Long Dog/Puppy Is Alone When It Occurs: She's not...
    9.) Whom Is The Primary Caregiver: Just me
    10.) Any Background History That Might Be Relevant: My puppy has managed to get the idea of potty time and play confused. She's pretty good about going in her spot first thing in the morning, but after that it keeps breaking down. The spot she goes in is full of rocks, leaves, and shrubs, so she starts going on an absolute chew fest as soon as I get her out the door. If I manage to get her to go when we're out, she goes back to the rocks and leaves rather than taking a treat from me. The accidents tend to happen in the middle of her meal or while playing. I've been watching her like a hawk, but what can you do when she pops a squat while munching away? or flips over in the middle of a belly rub to sprinkle my floor? To make matters worse I have carpet, so every time she goes I've got to put her in her crate to get it up. Any advice would be appreciated.

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    My lab mix was the same way! What we did is we took her out and waited five minutes. If she didn't go we would put her in her crate for 15 minutes or until she started letting us know she needed to go. And then we would take her out again and wait. If she didn't go again, back in the crate. She can't hold it forever! It's weird your puppy goes while they are eating. Naturally dogs don't like to go by where they eat. Make sure you have them on an eating and drinking schedule. That way you control what goes in and you have a good idea of what will be coming out and when. I suggest "Housebreaking for Dummies." It gives a great amount of info. Potty training takes time. Your puppy doesn't know that going where it plays is wrong. It's actually very natural for them. You have to be consistent and patient. You will have great days and hard days. It's very much like potty training a toddler. Also when they go in their spot the way you want them to be sure to give them a treat! That will lessen the learning curve dramatically. The best treats are hot dogs sliced thin like Bacon and cooked till crispy in the microwave. Break up into little pieces and make sure she gets one everytime she goes where you want. Ignore her if she has an accident. Punishing her won't make it any better because she doesn't know she did something wrong. Hang in there! You can do this!

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    Thank you for creating this thread. Its been much of a help. Good Job!

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    Hi All,

    Seems like this thread hasn't had much activity lately, so I'm not sure if there will be a response to this, and I'd hate to make a new thread if I'm not "supposed" to, since there is a sticky, and tons of threads already (though I figured the stickied thread was easier to post in).

    Here is my question...

    I have had my little Bichon Shih Tzu for just over a week, and got her at 10 weeks of age, because this particular breeder will not let her puppies go until that age, which I think has actually worked out in many ways. I expected Muffin to whine and whimper and cry at night, and I haven't had to deal with any of that so far. But I digress...

    I have decided after much thought not to crate train, for a couple of reasons. The main reason is that while my husband and I work somewhat staggered hours, there may be an occasion here and there where we are gone for up to 8.5 hours, and that's not feasible for her to "hold it in" for that long. We've actually been able to avoid that, with getting people to come in and play with the dog and take her out.

    Her set up is in a fairly large bathroom with a baby gate (well so far I haven't used the baby gate b/c it's annoying, and a piece of cardboard with some beer cases has worked out better). Her bed and toys are at one end, her food dish is in the middle, and the pee pads are at the other end. She is great with using the pads if she needs to, but seems to only do it once during the 6 hrs she is alone, and SOMETIMES overnight.

    When I am home, she is under my watch at all times, and the accidents she has had have been purely my fault when I tempt my luck (running to my room to quickly get changed, seeing her do the "twirl" but not thinking she will pee b/c she is busy/happy/preoccupied with a bone, etc). She doesn't have much issue with peeing and pooing outside. She has her little spots outside that she likes.

    My issue/question/ponderance is this... When I watch her twirly signal, I quickly take her out. I have to pick her up and quickly take her, b/c she is still too little to go down the stairs and it makes her nervous. But my worry is that she will see this as, "Oh, all I have to do is 'start' to do my business and then mommy will take me out" vs. actually whimpering or waiting 'til I take her out, or going to the door and sitting there. She can't quite do that yet, b/c the way my house is set up, is that there are a couple stairs in various places, and she still takes awhile to get up the stairs.

    Anything I can do in addition to what I am doing? I also take her out at other times as well - when she gets up, when she's done eating, one last time before I go to bed. I am just trying to get her to connect that she needs to go outside, and not so much that if she starts to twirl and stuff, THAT is when I take her out. Hope my question makes sense!

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    Hi, I'm not exactly new, but I only posted the one time and then disappeared for a while. Now I'm back, and I have a question. I looked at all the potty questions and none of them addressed my issue and I tried to search for any post that already had this question but found nothing. It may be that I searched wrongly. Since I don't want people to get annoyed at yet another potty training question, I'm writing this here.

    Ok, so I'll be as thorough as I can so the situation is well-explained. Vilya is a 9 month old border collie mix I adopted when she was almost 3 months old from an acquaintance of mine who couldn't keep her. As a first-time owner I haven't been very successful with training, but the one thing I seemed to have had some success at was potty training. She picked up pretty quickly where her potty spot is (a corner in a large balcony-type open space we have on the third floor). I still restrict her mostly to the third floor, which is where my study is (I work at home) so she can let herself out to pee/poop and back inside, but lately I've been giving her more freedom around the house (supervised) and except for a few accidents she's done well.

    Now, about her exercise/walks. I am only able to walk her once a day for about 15 minutes because, while the housing unit I live at is secure, the area outside is a)full of stray dogs or unleashed dogs that aren't always as docile as their owners claim, b) heavy on traffic, and c) not very safe (lots of mugging reports). I mostly exercise/play V in the backyard (it's not big but we manage) and only walk her when I have someone to go with me. Ok, so when she was younger and I walked her, depending on the time, she might pee/poop during the walk and I would pick the poop up and praise her, but after some time I noticed she stopped peeing/pooping during the walks. I didn't give it much importance because it is easier to clean out the balcony and I thought it was just because the walks were so short and sporadic and she didn't feel like doing it outside.

    Ok, that's enough background, I think. So here's the reason of this post: About a month ago she developed incontinence while sleeping. She had been spayed a month before and I feared she had a UTI or that the vet moved something inside that he shouldn't have moved, so I took her to a specialized clinic. They've been doing tests on her (and that in itself deserves a whole other post, as it has been hell on earth and right now I feel extremely guilty about it), including x-rays of her bladder. I was told to fast her for 12 hours so her bowels would be empty and allow full view of the bladder. I did as was told, but when it came down to the test, they couldn't do the contrast x-ray because the normal one showed she had her bowels full of feces. We'd been at the clinic for 6 hours and we spent most of them at the gardens where she'd been playing and all, and not once did she even try to pee/poop. Yet, once we got home, she raced to her potty spot and emptied herself fully. So she'd been holding her pee/poop ALL DAY!

    I don't know why exactly she decided to only go potty at her spot. I never told her not to do it during walks or anything, and I never scolded her when she had accidents in the house (my mum did a couple of times until I asked her to stop). Yet somehow she learned that she must not go potty ANYWHERE but at her spot!

    I recently found a training school that specializes in positive reinforcement training (as most schools here are traditional, it wasn't easy to find, it took me months!) so I'll be talking about this with the trainers, but I wanted some input from anyone who had encountered a similar problem. How can I get her to pee/poo in other places? It worries me a bit cuz on December I'm going away on a trip and she'll be staying at a kennel, and I don't want her to be holding it until she's so full she has no other choice but to go, it wouldn't be a good experience, I think.

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    Hello! I'm a first time puppy owner, and have a few training questions that I feel aren't answered after reading through the related posts. I have two brothers, which is causing me some irritation and confusion.
    1.) Age Of Dog/Puppy: 10 wks
    2.) Length Of Ownership: 2 wks
    3.) Method Of House Training: I take them both out to go in the yard, no pads.
    4.) Breed Of Dog/Puppy: Great Pyrenees Collie cross
    5.) Where Dog/Puppy Is Kept: Larger open house, confined to family room/kitchen, sleeps in our room.
    6.) Where Accidents Occur: in the same two spots, one on tile one on laminate
    7.) How Long Its Gone On: 4 or 5 days
    8.) How Long Dog/Puppy Is Alone When It Occurs: He isn't, he tends to do it right after coming inside
    9.) Whom Is The Primary Caregiver: Mostly me, my wife when I'm at work
    10.) Any Background History That Might Be Relevant: The issue is with our more dominant pup, he pees on the same two spots, I treat them and praise them when they go outside. I don't have a crate (can't afford one yet), so I take them out every hour and a half or so. He goes one or both, I treat them, then take them inside. About once a day (sometimes a few times), be just walks in, goes for the spot and pees. Is he marking territory? It's almost always when my sons little people toys are out. What is a good cleaner to use? His brother I don't think has ever had an accident in the house, though he may have since they are almost identical. Why would one do it but not he other? I apologize if some of these things have been asked, I read a fair bit and its gotten mixed up in my head! Is there any other advice for training two pups at once? I should add that they came from a farm with little contact with people (it was an oops litter I guess), but they just knew right off the hammer to go out side! They have never pooped in the house, and the first week no pee either. They are very smart, and have learned to sit already! Just need to stop the accidents!

    Thanks!

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    What are you using to clean up the mess? It really needs to be an enzymatic cleaner like Nature's Miracle. Otherwise the pup can smell the spot and things to go there again.

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    Re: Enough With The Potty Threads!

    Quote Originally Posted by hamandeggs View Post
    What are you using to clean up the mess? It really needs to be an enzymatic cleaner like Nature's Miracle. Otherwise the pup can smell the spot and things to go there again.
    Yes ... the enzymatic cleaner. I also trained my two white dogs as pups ... Brothers Leeo and BLu Boy the same way you are. I would just take them out more often. I took mine out every hour besides the trips between eating, napping, and playing.


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    I was just using soap and tile/floor cleaner. My inlaws gave me some pet cleaner/deodorizer today, I'll see how it works. I'm off to work for the next two days (I work 12 hr shifts), so hopefully my wife won't have any trouble.

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    1.) Age Of Dog/Puppy: Approx. 1 year.
    2.) Length Of Ownership: I don't have him yet, but I noticed him marking everywhere when I went to meet him at the shelter.
    3.) Method Of House Training: Haven't started, but I'm planning on crate training and maybe teaching him to use my cats' litter box? Thoughts?
    4.) Breed Of Dog/Puppy: Pomeranian
    5.) Where Dog/Puppy Is Kept: Will be kept in my apartment with access to all rooms. First few days will be spent with the "umbilical cord" method (so always supervised) until potty trained.
    6.) Where Accidents Occur: Marking everywhere!
    7.) How Long Its Gone On: Don't know. He is a male dog who had been used for breeding :|
    8.) How Long Dog/Puppy Is Alone When It Occurs: He did it the moment he came into a new place.
    9.) Whom Is The Primary Caregiver: For now it is the shelter workers, but it will be me in the future
    10.) Any Background History That Might Be Relevant: Ernie was used as a breeder by a puppy mill. He is not neutered yet and has never lived in a home before (hence the marking).

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    I have tried potty training pads and wouldn't recommend them. My dogs would only pee on them then carry them around the house in their mouths - yuck!
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    Please help me; I am losing my mind. I pride myself on being a very patient person, but I swear to god I am going to beat my dog if this continues! <-- Just kidding, of course.

    My wife and I got Katie a week and a half ago from a nice couple who posted her on CL. According to the previous owners, she is a 1 year old lab mix. She is sweet as can be, however we are having major potty issues. We have a large park right behind our house, and I take Katie there in the mornings and evenings. It takes her no less than 20 minutes to pee and poop once at the park, usually after much "crazy dog" running. That's fine; like I said I'm patient. The problem is, while my wife and I aren't home, Katie has pooped/peed in her cage about 70% of the times we've left her. This is terribly inconvenient, as we both work, etc, and simply cannot be home all the freaking time. This is part of the reason we wanted an older dog and not a puppy. I walk her and let her run in the park for 40 minutes to an hour every morning before leaving for work and crating her. I have started feeding and watering her earlier and earlier in effort to prevent accidents. Her crate is the correct size and is a wire cage. We started with blankets on the floor of the cage, but after several accidents, decided to try leaving the floor bare. No luck. We have also started covering the cage with a blanket to nurture her den instincts. We were putting bones and toys in the crate, but after throwing several away have stopped. She's pretty good about not pottying in the house otherwise, except that she wakes us up in the middle of the night to go pee, which is rather annoying. We don't crate her at night; she likes to sleep under our bed. We tried crating her the first night, but she barked a lot (really loud) and we live in the city with neighbors with a baby who live very close to us, so we can't have the dog barking late at night. We don't mind her sleeping under our bed, though, so we figured it wasn't a problem. When she doesn't wake us up for a 4AM potty break, she ends up going on the floor. Again, I do not feed or water her less than 3 hours before bedtime, and right before bed I take her to the park so she can run like a maniac, and we don't come back until she has pooped and peed (usually 30 to 40 minutes). Also, she seems to take really short pees, and usually only goes once while we are out, so I am concerned that she is not fully emptying herself. Please help me! My wife and I both have to work 10-11 hours TOMORROW and do not want to have another accident to clean up when we get home! Wife will be home half way through to let Katie out to potty and run around, but often she has already made a mess by then.

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    You've only had her a week and a half. That is nothing. I know it's frustrating, but, changes in environment and changes in routine (both of which Katie has had in the last week and a half) have been known to cause potty training setbacks.

    Also, do you know much about her former owner? I mean, really, from CL, you can't really be sure of what they tell you. Did they provide vet records?

    A week and a half isn't much time to start a new routine, meaning, you are changing everything about this dog's life, and you want her to get into a routine, peeing/pooping on her morning trip to the park, and then holding it til your wife comes home halfway through the day, and then holding it til evening when you both come home. Give her time to adapt.

    Also, you don't know HOW exactly she was potty trained before, except for what the previous owners tell you. It may be that she wasn't really totally potty trained to begin with. If she was kept crated too much, she may have gotten used to peeing and pooping in her crate out of necessity in her old home. This is a hard habit to break.

    Keep in mind, some dogs lose the ability to control their peeing and pooping when they're anxious, so if she's anxious in her new home, she may be peeing/pooping from stress.

    When you clean up the mess, do you use an enzyme cleaner?

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    Thanks for your reply, doxiemommy. Yeah, we use an enzyme cleaner to get the messes. I have a feeling she wasn't ever totally potty trained, which may be why the previous owners were so anxious to get rid of her. I don't think she was very well trained in any aspect. She does not seem to have anxiety problems. She's a cheerful doggy, usually very relaxed and laid back. She gets right in her cage when asked, and doesn't bark or whine as I leave the house. we clean up her messes very thoroughly to make sure there is not a residual smell. I know a week and a half isn't terribly long, and she does have good days, too. You think we just need to keep at it, then? We've gone through six rolls of paper towels, almost three bottles of cleaner, and two things of carpet powder in the last ten days haha.

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    Yes, I say keep with it. The thing is, as I understand it, the main issue is when she's in the crate, right? Other times she's ok? That makes me think she has some control, and some idea of what to do. Maybe she is just anxious when crated? OR, as I said, if her previous owner kept her crated a lot, and didn't properly train her, she may see the crate as an acceptable bathroom, just out of necessity. And, once a dog gets the idea that the crate is an acceptable bathroom, it's kind of hard to change that.
    Is there any way you could get rid of the crate and in it's place designate a "dog proof" room, blocked off with a baby gate? If she thinks going potty in the crate is ok, and you take away the crate, she may realize she's supposed to hold it.

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    She pretty much only has accidents in the crate. On the rare occasions that she doesn't wake us up for a late night potty break, sometimes she will pee on the floor. Usually right near her crate, now that I think about it. As for today, when my wife came home between jobs at about 3, the crate was clean. They went to the park and from what my wife says, Katie ran around especially crazily, playing in the fresh snow we got this morning. After their play, Katie was exhausted and conked out. Wife went to her other job at 6, and crated Katie. When I got home, she had peed and had diarrhea in her cage I am thinking that while playing she probably ate a lot of snow, and maybe that is why she had an accident. I have been completely unable to keep her from eating the snow, however. While on her leash I can keep her from doing it, but when she does the ""crazy dog" running, she actually eats the snow WHILE running 20mph. I have never seen anything like it. I was happy to hear her cage was clean at 3, but kind of bummed out now.

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