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    7 Week puppy nipping hard, whining day a night, and not responding to any punishments

    Hi, since the third day after bringing him home (too early, I know, but his situation with his mother was becoming dangerous), he's been acting up a lot. For about a week and a half, he's been nipping feet, hands, legs, anything attached to a person, even hair snd going for the face when he plays in your lap. I've tried redirection, short timeouts, and everything but hitting him which I obviously wont do. No matter what, its back to biting people. If I put him in timeout for it, he whines the whole time. I have him sit when stops whining, but when I set him down from his timeout area (a small area I fenced off for himm), he almost immediately goes for my feet, or sometimes nips me hard when i lift him out. I've tried removing myself from his presence as well which has similar results with no progress. Whining, stopping, returning, and immediate bites.it's to the point that almost every moment with him playing with us is biting, punishment, back to biting, back to punishment. I know he's young, but am i expecting too much? We've had him for about a week and a half to 2 weeks and this happened after the first few days and hasn't stopped.

    The other issue is his constant whining. He's visited the vet twice so we've pretty mich ruled out being in pain. Currently he's kept in one room and if we're able to heavily supervise him, a second larger room. First room is fairly norong, but the second is most likely very fun since its my bedroom, has a carpet, things to crawl under, and is a bit bigger. Sometimes he gets to the point where even if we sit snd play with him, he whines and paws and slides his head under the door like he wants to be in the other room. I reward him when the whining stops woth either a treat or playing more, but he continues to do this. The same happebs at night in hisbcrate which is right by my bed. He whines all night and I barely get any sleep. I let him out to use the bathroom, again never until the whining stops, but sometimes I feel like he's tricked me and just sits there on the pad not going for a minute or to, so i return him to the crate and he whines for 5 to 15 minutes until he falls asleep. I think part of whybhe whines for the other room is necause my girlfriend is usually there, and while he was with his mom she visited almost every other day to play, but I'm not sure if puppies imprint like that.

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    Re: 7 Week puppy nipping hard, whining day a night, and not responding to any punishm

    I think you need to read this: denisefenzipetdogs.com/2015/08/30/its-a-puppy-not-a-problem/

    Your puppy is a baby who has just been separated from his littermates, his mother, and the only home he has ever known, please try to be a little more patient and understanding with him, and stop punishing him for being a baby. Punishing him is only going to teach him that you are scary and not to be trusted, and that's not the foot you want to get off on with a new puppy.





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    Re: 7 Week puppy nipping hard, whining day a night, and not responding to any punishm

    Puppies separated from their litters too young are notorious for having bite inhibition issues, and some recent studies have indicated that early separation may also lead to anxiety behaviors. Your breeder did your puppy a great disservice by allowing him to leave his siblings too soon.

    The only thing that you can do to combat these issues is have patience, and patience, and more patience. When he's nipping you, it's because he wants to play and he doesn't understand the proper way to play. He didn't have a chance to learn that from his littermates, so now he needs to learn it from you. Instead of punishing him for wanting to play, you need to teach him the proper way to interact with you. To do that, you'll want to have a toy handy. When he goes to nip you, put the toy in his mouth instead and praise and play. If he lets go of the toy and redirects to your skin, get up and walk away. Step over a baby gate, or shut a door behind you. This teaches him that when he nips your skin, fun time is over and life gets really boring. Then re-engage with him 30 seconds later, and rinse and repeat.

    It will likely take *months* of this for him to stop nipping you entirely.

    Whining is also something he's just going to have to grow out of. It's important that you don't engage with him when he's whining, because he'll learn that whining means you pay attention to him.

    Overall, these sound like very normal puppy behaviors, and the only thing that fixes normal puppy behaviors is patience, time, and some consistent positive reinforcement for desired behaviors.

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    Re: 7 Week puppy nipping hard, whining day a night, and not responding to any punishm

    Thanks for the replies. I would have left him with the mother, but like I said, he and his littermates were in a dangerous situation, so I felt I had to take him early. Along with some medical issues (bad worms), they were in danger of being killed.

    I'll keep up with the positive reinforcement and short breaks away from him, I guess I'm just upset that there's no progress a week and a half later. I thought something might be wrong, but I'll try and be more patient with him.

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    Re: 7 Week puppy nipping hard, whining day a night, and not responding to any punishm

    Quote Originally Posted by MicSoundersXIII View Post
    I'll keep up with the positive reinforcement and short breaks away from him, I guess I'm just upset that there's no progress a week and a half later. I thought something might be wrong, but I'll try and be more patient with him.
    It doesn't sound as though you're doing anything wrong, it just takes time. Puppies explore the world with their mouths, so teaching them to use their mouths appropriately takes far more time than teaching them to sit or down. It just takes time.

    Be consistent, stick with reward-based / force-free training methods, treat him kindly and he'll be fine.

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    Re: 7 Week puppy nipping hard, whining day a night, and not responding to any punishm

    It doesn't sound as though you're doing anything wrong, it just takes time.
    I agree. Keep being consistent/positive, but the puppy just needs to adjust, grow up, and mature. Certain breeds are more nippy than others too so just try to be patient.
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    Oh please do not punish this little puppy! Trust me.. I am not against corrections, but not ever a 7 week old puppy.

    You should get a crate, not a whole room. This crate should not be large.. just big enough to stand up in and lay down in and turn around in. I suggest a plastic crate so it is like a den. When you are not playing with your puppy, use that crate. Do NOT make it a prison!! Every hour, get your puppy out to pee and/or poop and then bring him in to play or play with him outdoors. Be ever watchful when he is loose in the house. Get him out to pee/poop during or at the end of play, then put puppy in the crate. At night, just get him out every couple of hours.

    Ignore the whining. If you follow this schedule, your puppy will sleep. When puppy whines right after being put in the crate (after pee or poop), ignore it. If puppy whines after being in the crate for an hour, get him right out to pee/poop. Babies don't have a lot of control. It is up to you to get your dog out to avoid accidents!

    You have a baby. This won't be forever. Puppies grow up quick. It takes time. By 6 months you will have a different dog than the baby you have today. By a year.. an even different dog.

    Right now you have a little baby that takes a lot of time, effort and commitment. You need to be kind and consistent. Play tug with a dish towel but he only gets to play with that towel with you.. he cannot have it as a toy by himself. Have other toys that you and your puppy play with but that he cannot have unless playing with you.

    He should also have a few toys he can have with out you. Have about 6 of those, but each day only give him two. Rotate the toys so every day he gets two "new" toys. Get a toy like a Kong or other food puzzle toy that you can feed part of his meals in. Dogs do not need to eat all their food from a dish.

    Never forget you have a baby dog and babies take a lot of time and patience.

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    Re: 7 Week puppy nipping hard, whining day a night, and not responding to any punishm

    Quote Originally Posted by MicSoundersXIII View Post
    Thanks for the replies. I would have left him with the mother, but like I said, he and his littermates were in a dangerous situation, so I felt I had to take him early. Along with some medical issues (bad worms), they were in danger of being killed.
    Just as a note for the future, a puppy learns the skills people are talking about from their siblings mainly, not the mother. They can be separated from the mother and still kept with their siblings until the appropriate age to rehome.

    Worms are also normal and to be expected in young puppies. All baby puppies are treated for them routinely.

    Not being able to stay with the mother for a myriad of reasons is a common excuse I see from people trying to get rid of the puppies ASAP so they don't have to pay for their food when the mother stops nursing. I don't know if that was for sure the case here or not, but in the future if you're looking for another dog I wouldn't accept that as an excuse for rehoming too soon.


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    Re: 7 Week puppy nipping hard, whining day a night, and not responding to any punishm

    But yes, it's going to take months and months to see progress with mouthing/nipping, and you're at a disadvantage due to the circumstances you got him in, so presume on the longer end.


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    Re: 7 Week puppy nipping hard, whining day a night, and not responding to any punishm

    Quote Originally Posted by ireth0 View Post
    Just as a note for the future, a puppy learns the skills people are talking about from their siblings mainly, not the mother. They can be separated from the mother and still kept with their siblings until the appropriate age to rehome.

    Worms are also normal and to be expected in young puppies. All baby puppies are treated for them routinely.

    Not being able to stay with the mother for a myriad of reasons is a common excuse I see from people trying to get rid of the puppies ASAP so they don't have to pay for their food when the mother stops nursing. I don't know if that was for sure the case here or not, but in the future if you're looking for another dog I wouldn't accept that as an excuse for rehoming too soon.
    In the puppy's case, I felt it really was a case of life or death. The owner is a friend that lives with her family, and the family threatened to let the larger territorial dog in to kill them on more than one occasion.

    With the nipping/biting and the 30 seconds of no playtime, a lot of our play sessions are literally him nipping/biting, me going away, coming back, nipped, go away, come back, nip. I don't mind the softer ones, but it's the hard ones that get to me, and I have fairly high pain tolerance.

    Since the socialization is more with the puppies than them other, I could bring him to visit his littermates. Two other friends of mine have the other two that were in his litter, but one has started his vaccinations while mine has not, I'm not sure about the other. Is it safe to let either puppy play with one another even though one has started vaccinations, or should we wait? Mine should be starting his vaccinations this weekend when we take him to the vet. They'd be able to socialize as much as twice a few hours twice a week, more when we have more time. Right now, the thought of Parvo has me too paranoid to even let him play outside or start walking him, and I wasn't aware until I let him out a hanful of times that he can catch it even if our yard is fenced and a dog living there (in the past 15 or so years) hasn't had parvo. I feel he'll tire a lot easier once he can get outside to run around.

    As I type this, the whining at the door has almost reached the one hour (nearly straight!) mark. Even when I sit to play with him, he slowly loses interest and whines at the door, and he's even started biting at it which can chip the paint and I don't want him eating that. I'm getting a pen this weekend after payday, but I'm guessing that's also going to lead to more and more whining, but at least he won't be able to hurt himself in it.

    He's had pretty free reign of two rooms, but now that I'm reading more into it, it seems confinement training would have been the best like another reply said. Is it too late now that he whines when he isn't in the room he seems to consider his playroom, or will I be able to start confinement training even though he's been running around for nearly two weeks?
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    Re: 7 Week puppy nipping hard, whining day a night, and not responding to any punishm

    Also, dont stress out too much about the bonding, it took me months to truly bond with all my dogs, even my older dog, who is my heart dog, I really didnt like him until he was like ... 6 mos LOL. My younger one, who is now 8 mos was the same, it was more like a mother/baby (animal) relationship where there is no emotional bond, there is just "you are a defenseless baby and I have to care for you". It's hard to have a bond with something that basically eats, poops, sleeps, repeats LOL.





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    You can still crate train this puppy. He will make noise. Never open the crate door until he is silent.. even for a moment.

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    Re: 7 Week puppy nipping hard, whining day a night, and not responding to any punishm

    Quote Originally Posted by 3GSD4IPO View Post
    You can still crate train this puppy. He will make noise. Never open the crate door until he is silent.. even for a moment.
    yep and if he makes a racket when you're walking up to the crate to let him out (unless it's a potty emergency) turn around and give your back to him, when you hear at first, 1 or 2 sec of silence, turn back around and start walking towards him, rinse and repeat every time he fusses.

    at night as long as you are sure he doesnt have to go potty, ignore him, put him in another room and close the door if need be to kind of buffer the noise.

    Also I would get him on a feeding schedule of 3 times a day, and limit his access to water (offer it several times a day and after playing or exercise, and let him drink his fill, then take it away) and take it away completely about an hour before bed.





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    Re: 7 Week puppy nipping hard, whining day a night, and not responding to any punishm

    Thanks for the tips. He took to the crate a lot better than I expected. He takes almost every nap in it and doesn't mind me closing the door. Most of the whining is only when he has to go relieve himself, and occasionally when he manages to rile himself up with a toy and wants out.

    As far as feeding goes, I feel like my puppy is a slow eater. I've been leaving his bowl out all day, so he mainly snacks throughout the day and leaves food in the bowl for later or something. I'm assuming he won't let himself starve if I feed him and take his bowl away if he doesn't eat. He'll just eat more later, right?

    Another question I had was socialization with a littermate. A few days ago he met one of his littermates for the first time in about 3 weeks, and I'm not sure if they got along or not. The other puppy seemed fine and friendly enough, but he seemed more excited about meeting a new person (me) than playing. They'd run around in circles for a bit, usually with my pup chasing and the other one just running since he was excited. They got into a few fights though that I'm pretty sure weren't playfights. Both pups initiated at least once, but after a few second of snarling and nipping, the other pup would run and hide for a bit, then they'd start running around and playing again. This is a dumb question, but how do I know if they're socializing well or not? I can't really tell if it went either way.

    It's kinda upsetting because he's so hard to play with. I've spent at least 30 minutes every day "playing" with him for maybe 30 seconds, and the rest of the time it's him biting and me leaving, waiting for him to stop whining, then coming back only to almost immediately (sometimes before I'm completely in the door) getting bit and having to leave again, which just turns into more whining, waiting, and biting. There's been no increase in the time he waits to bite me or anything, almost no response to me leaving him despite the whining meaning he must want my attention.
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    Re: 7 Week puppy nipping hard, whining day a night, and not responding to any punishm

    Oh, and Iknow this seems terrible, but I wouldnt put bedding in there, either. I never put bedding in the crate until they can prove to me they are house trained, and they are past the destructive stage LOL





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    Re: 7 Week puppy nipping hard, whining day a night, and not responding to any punishm

    Quote Originally Posted by MicSoundersXIII View Post
    It's kinda upsetting because he's so hard to play with. I've spent at least 30 minutes every day "playing" with him for maybe 30 seconds, and the rest of the time it's him biting and me leaving, waiting for him to stop whining, then coming back only to almost immediately (sometimes before I'm completely in the door) getting bit and having to leave again, which just turns into more whining, waiting, and biting. There's been no increase in the time he waits to bite me or anything, almost no response to me leaving him despite the whining meaning he must want my attention.
    How are you playing with him? Are you using any toys, and if so how big are they? It might be easier to have a toy with you and make it exciting, move it around, etc. as a way to play with him without him putting his teeth on you in the first place. Make sure you use a toy that is plenty big enough so that he is just as - or more - likely to target the toy as the hand holding it.

    It's also going to take time - weeks to months - for him to learn to stop/control his bite. And he'll probably get worse when his adult teeth start to come in (sorry).

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    Re: 7 Week puppy nipping hard, whining day a night, and not responding to any punishm

    Quote Originally Posted by gingerkid View Post
    How are you playing with him? Are you using any toys, and if so how big are they? It might be easier to have a toy with you and make it exciting, move it around, etc. as a way to play with him without him putting his teeth on you in the first place. Make sure you use a toy that is plenty big enough so that he is just as - or more - likely to target the toy as the hand holding it.

    It's also going to take time - weeks to months - for him to learn to stop/control his bite. And he'll probably get worse when his adult teeth start to come in (sorry).
    He has a ball that he plays with, a nylabone, a puppy kong, a few plush type toys, and a rope. He'll chase the ball sometimes, but when he returns, he just leaps into my lap, drops it, and bites me. For some reason he gets bored of his toys during playtime and chooses to just bite me instead, but when he's in his crate he'll chew them no problem.

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    Re: 7 Week puppy nipping hard, whining day a night, and not responding to any punishm

    What do you do when you play with him?

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    Re: 7 Week puppy nipping hard, whining day a night, and not responding to any punishm

    Quote Originally Posted by gingerkid View Post
    What do you do when you play with him?
    Throw the ball, wave a toy until he gets it, or play tug of war. I can't do much else since he just bites me.

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    Re: 7 Week puppy nipping hard, whining day a night, and not responding to any punishm

    Quote Originally Posted by MicSoundersXIII View Post
    Throw the ball, wave a toy until he gets it, or play tug of war. I can't do much else since he just bites me.
    I would just do those things then, and when he gets bored and/or starts trying to bite you, just end the play session. He's a baby puppy and his attention span probably isn't very long.

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