APRI vs. AKC registration?
I just purchased an APRI shiba puppy. She's registered with America's Pet Registry, Inc. Both of her parents come from a champion bloodlines. Can I get her registered with AKC. What's a difference between the 2? Is AKC more reputable?
The only reputable registries on this continent are the AKC, UKC, and CanKC (not to be confused with the ConKC). Unfortunately, you have purchased a puppy from a BYB, registered with a BYB registry. Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but at least you will know now. >-.-<
Also, for future reference, champion bloodlines mean nothing without champion sire and dam. BYBs can get their hands on dogs with good backgrounds and churn out lots of badly-bred pups out of unfinished dogs.
Last edited by Cheetah; 11-25-2006 at 02:32 PM.
I doubt it. Its one of many registries that puppy mill and backyard breeders "register" their dogs so they can sell them for more money.
Just take your dog; spay/neuter her/him and love him and do better research in the future.
No, you can not have the dog registered with the AKC, unless both the dam and sire are also registered with the AKC. Unfortunately, as others have mentioned, APRI is garbage. Do as Keno's Mom said, and have your dog spayed, per your vet's recommendation. In the meantime, give her the best life possible, and learn all that you can about how to buy a pup, for the future. We don't say these things to be rude or mean, but there is a lot to learn about how to buy a "registered" pup, and the more you can learn the better. BTW, welcome to our forum!
There are some breeds (such as the Chinook and Alaskan Husky) which are not yet included as a breed with in the AKC. However, the Shiba Inu is included, and any pups of quality born in America should be registered in the AKC.
My questions for you are:
How do you know that the parents are champs? Shibas are not necessarily a "rare" breed, but they are somewhat uncommon. If your pup's dam and sire are champs, then other people in the Shiba show scene would have heard of them, or your breeder. Is her kennel name well known?
If you do not know if the kennel is reputable, send an e-mail to the Shiba Inu Club of America. Just google that, and its website should pop up. They will typically know all the bad/good breeders with in their specialty.
Is you pup supposed to have show potential? If it is, you cannot show her unless she is AKC registered.
My first instinct is to tell you that you've probably been "had" with this breeder. Just as with any other business, there are people in the dog world who will scam you, too.
Make sure you get your pup checked out by a vet, and then spay or neuter her/him.
I'm really sorry for what's happened. I can only imagine how it must feel. *hug*
Have your dog spayed, she is not registerable with a legitimate registry. If she is or looks purebred, is spayed, and you are interested in participating in performance events, such as obedience, you can get an ILP number from the AKC.
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Did you purchase your puppy from a "backyard breeder"? Do you know what that label refers to? If so, I am sorry that you had to find out this way, but at least you found out.
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This is not true! APRI is a legitimate registry. You must in fact have a pedigree to register a dog with APRI. Just because your dog is APRI does not make it trash. APRI holds conformation shows. Every registry has unethical people in it. It is not the registry that is unethical it is the people who have their dogs restistered with them. I have a friend that has a very nice bitch, she showed her with APRI and got a champion title, then went on to show with AKC. She could not get any points to save her life with AKC. She was talking to someone at a show and they told her that she in fact had a very nice bitch. She was at a loss and told the lady it didn't seem like it because she could not get any points on the dog. The lady told her that she was going about it the wrong way that she had to hire a handler. So she did and now she has an AKC champion title on her bitch. APRI points out a dog on breed standard not against other dogs or who has the dog in the ring. With APRI is it all about the dog, not who you know. You can not get together with a few of your friends and put in ringers to champion out your dog with APRI. You can not look at who is going to judge the dog and go with your favorite judges. Either your dog has what it takes or not. BYB and Pm do not take the time to show dogs. Also with APRI all dogs that show are required to have a Health Certificate and proof of shots by a vet. Also before a dog can show with APRI they must be micro chipped. At the time of the show the microchip is scanned and a DNA is taken before any points are awarded. None of this is required by AKC.
All I can say is visit the AKC website and the APRI website and make up your own mind who's more legit or not. In my mind, the difference is obvious and the discussion could stop there. But I'm sorry, the APRI is not recognized in other coutries, for the US, only the AKC is. And I'd like to know how DNA can be taken before points are awarded? Does that mean no one gets point until after 3 days when the DNA tests are done? Because unless the APRI's science is different or the tests are not regulated, DNA tests don't happen on the spot or over night. And who's paying for all these tests? Please educate me on this. I will admit one thing though...Elsa's APRI papers made for a good bird cage liner.
Originally Posted by k9lvr
Last edited by Curbside Prophet; 12-06-2006 at 10:21 AM.
FYI, here is the AKC DNA profile program:
DNA Profile Program
The AKC DNA Profile Program brings cutting-edge parentage testing technology to AKC customers. A cheek swab brush is used to collect the DNA sample from the dog, and returned to the AKC. The sample is processed by AKC's DNA service provider, MMI Genomics, and the resulting genotype is entered into the AKC DNA Database. The information is used to verify parentage of AKC dogs and for genetic identity purposes. This technology allows breeders, dog owners, and the AKC to ensure that the AKC Registry is the most accurate in the world.
DNA Profiling is required for stud dogs whose semen is collected for fresh-extended or frozen or frozen use. AKC DNA Profiling is also required for Frequently Used Sires, effective for litters whelped on or after July 1, 2000, and for imported breeding stock registered on or after March 1, 2006.
The dog owner will receive an AKC DNA Profile for each dog sampled. Additionally, for dogs individually registered at the time the DNA sample is received by the AKC, the DNA Profile Number will be added to that dog's registration record, and will appear on all Registration Certificates and Pedigrees issued in the future.
Dogs who have already processed their DNA through MMI Genomics can transfer their DNA records through the "DNA record transfer program" so the dog can become AKC DNA Profiled.
DNA Profiling may be used to determine the correct sire of a litter before registering that litter, such as in cases where the dam was exposed to more than one male during her season. Additionally, the AKC can register litters with more than one sire. Follow this link for more information about this policy. For further information about this or other DNA programs, contact AKC DNA Operations.
Suspiciously, I can't find anything on APRI's DNA profiling. Hmmmm, that's odd. I could use some help with this.
K9LVR, you are right, there are unethical people in all associations and the AKC is not imune. I'm sure that some people are out there falsely promoting their pups with AKC papers. But APRI seems to be promoting this. I was just looking at their web site to see what they are about and they even have a service to register dogs that are born to unregistered parrents. This certianly seems like a way for almost anyone to get 'papers' for their dog to make their pups seem more valuable to puppy buyers. I agree that AKC dog shows really seem so subjective that it's hard to say only AKC pointed dogs should be breed, but I do think only quality dogs should be. The AKC papers don't guarantee a quality dog, but it seems APRI papers don't even guarantee the dogs pure bred.
I took a look at the APRI website out of curiousity. They don't accept the mixed breeds (like cockapoo/pekeapoo/labradoodle, etc.) They do have some dogs that are in the "rare" breeds and might be in other countries, not AKC dogs.
HOWEVER, in looking further, under there "shows"/winners, etc. They have something about winning free dogs. And if you check out the people winners, many of those people got their free dogs from places like PETLAND and some others that I highly suspect of getting puppy mill/byb dogs and not legit sources.
So I've come to the conclusion that APRI is not a good place to get a dog and it still comes back to an association that deals/accepts dogs out of puppy mills registries.
No where does the FAQ say that APRI dogs can be registered in AKC, but it does accept AKC dogs to be registered in APRI. I honestly think they will not be around long. I can't even find a legit "show" calendar with upcoming shows - seems they hold a few shows but that's about it. I don't see anything regarding judges, etc. So it might be matches they are calling shows.
Personally I would NOT have anything to do with them.
You can find the requirments for show by going here http://www.aprpets.org/main/dogshows.html
It will tell you that DNA must be done. AKC has DNA but only for breeding.
APRI does have a drawing to win a free puppy, how that works is when you buy a puppy from where ever, show breeder or pet store you send in the paper work and if your name is drawn you win the cash amount that you paid for the puppy. But if you look in the pet stores you will see far more puppies with AKC papers.
The service to register pups with unregistered parents is not APRI please do not confuse that. It is a pet service and that is it.
They even have a code of ethics AKC leaves it up to the breed clubs for that. AKC it self does not say do not sell your puppies to brokers it is the breed clubs that do that.
I just get upset when people do not use a service and talk bad about because they do not know anything about it.
AKC and APRI are both good in my book
Oh let me touch base on the judge thing. There is no list of what judges will be judging your dog. You do not know till you get to the show. But to get enough points to champion out your dog must be seen by 9 judges. All 9 judges must agree that your dog is of breed standard.
You don't know how much I wish this were true! But unforunately Missouri, where Elsa was rescued from a puppy mill...and would have had APRI papers, has passed some laws to protect commercial breeders. The State Senator in the South West part of the State has pushed this through. The Hunte Corp building is a 100,000 sq ft facility that has "helped" the ecomomy in that part of the state...and they are a mass producing puppy machine. Missouri as with numerous other States look at dog breeding as a cash crop just like cattle, corn.... I mean no offense to Missourians, Missouri is just where Hunte Corp is located. Just search Hunte Corp in your search engine and read about all the garbage they do with pups. And isn't it ironic that most of the APRI shows are in Missouri? Coincidence? Not in my mind. And until APRI is recognized by other countries, they, along with the thousands of other pet and dog registries, are garbage. And unfortunately it is true, that even AKC papers don't mean anything, and they, along with APRI papers, can be manufactured by anyone. That's why it's so important to learn the right way to buy a pup. I don't mean to be so opinionated about APRI, or maybe I do, but either way, I owe it to Elsa.
Originally Posted by Keno's Mom
Last edited by Curbside Prophet; 12-06-2006 at 01:25 PM.
A breed show or registration type show is only as good as the compitition who enter and the quality of the judges they use. So personally I do not care what registry it is if that registry does not have the best compitions for what you are doing it really does not matter. From what I have seen of AKC there is no way to find out what a dog has produced and to me that is a big mistake. When looking for a quality animal I want to know what they have done what they have produced and what their family line has done and produced all 4 lines 4 generations back and this can not be done with any dog registry and until this is done I really do not see where any dog registry is worth much.
If you feel you like the other registry, then use it. But IMO its still related more to the puppy mills then you might think.
I SERIOUSLY doubt that a APRI dog that went to AKC got registered in AKC unless it already had dual registration (AKC first). APRI is a service company that branched out into registering dogs and cats.
If you notice there are very few breeds of cats that are "registered" by APRI....gee I wonder why?
You'd be surprised at the number of so-called registries out there that are used by puppy mills or byb's. The only legit ones are AKC and CKC (Canadian Kennel Club) (and maybe some from overseas) BUT anything else is highly questionable.
AKC vs APRI
Just to be clear for anyone that may be a first time puppy buyer : just because your puppy has AKC registration does not guarantee that it doesn't come from a PuppyMill! AKC does not regulate breeders or breeding practices. Your local PetLand or other petstore will most likely have puppies registered with AKC, CKC, ACA, and APRI.
Sad, isn't it?
Just like anything else, a consumer must research before they purchase.
People are just naive, I think. Or, they just hear what they want to hear, in regards to pets.
They look at the first cute puppy they find, and regardless of what's in the pedigree or where it came from, they take it home and try to force it into their family structure.
Then, the puppy gets sick/ mean and then it goes to the shelter, and all of the regesteries in the world won't save that poor pup then.
Sure, I'm glad my pup is AKC. In fact, I wouldn't buy from a breeder who didn't register their litters with the AKC. But that's only one, small part of the research it takes when picking out a puppy.
Problem is that there is no place to resurch blodlines in dogs. The AKC does not keep those type of records so there is no way to know what a dog has produced what is a good cross or any other info needed to make a good informed desition.
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