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    I just had the worst experience ever since I got Kobe. We were walking in my building past this older couple, and Kobe went up on his hind legs to greet them. He did not come in contact with either of them, but the man started yelling at me. He did not move, or even try to politely tell me to handle my dog. He just stood there in the very narrow hallway and screamed at me to control my dog. Don't know if he did that because I am brown skinned (I have been victimized after 9/11), or he does not like dogs. The man was probably around 250 lbs, and almost as wide as he was tall. Such people are hard to walk around in narrow hallways.

    Kobe is 3 and a half months old. He was terrified at all the yelling.
    I simply told him (the man) to control his attitude and walked toward my apartment. He was still yelling.

    I would really like to know how to deal with these situations. I have never had to before in our building because until today all the people here love Kobe, and know him by name and greet him with affection. He is currently being trained to sit when he meets new people but we are still working on it. The fact that every one around us goes gah-gah over him every time we take him downstairs probably is not helping much either.

    I'd like to know someone else's view on this. I am still shaking!

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    Re: dealing with dog haters

    While the man definitely could have handled himself better, I would not necessarily say this is a case of meeting a "dog hater". A lot of people become alarmed when a dog (you didn't mention breed, but that can also have a hand in things) jumps at them, rears up, lunges, etc. For all we know, the man could have been scared out of his mind - thus reacting in anger.

    I think your best bet would be to really step up with Kobe's training. Before he goes out among groups of people (i.e. people that don't know you or Kobe) again he needs to be trained reliably in the proper manner to greet people. This also means letting everyone else know that Kobe needs to sit BEFORE they fawn over him. When you don't practice this - it just encourages the jumping.

    I'd say there was room for improvement on both sides, personally.



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    Kobe is a lab mix, but looks all lab. He is tiny still, below my knee. I am sure I could have handled it better, but the man was getting abusive. He definitely knew he was in no danger of being injured.
    Kobe is a wuss and was hiding behind me within 3 seconds.
    I just thought it was a very strong reaction for this particular situation.
    We live in a high rise building with only one set of elevators, so we don't have much of a choice about his exit route. He generally goes up to people he hasn't met, rears up and will lose interest if they don't respond or I keep walking (he is always on a leash outside our apt)
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    When you are leaving Kobe should not be able to even get close to someone, let alone rear up on his hindlegs. You need to keep the leash tight and short so that these things don't occure.



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    Re: dealing with dog haters

    The guy could also have had a legitimate phobia of dogs- such a thing is DEFINED as an irrational fear- regardless of the size of the dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogstar View Post
    The guy could also have had a legitimate phobia of dogs- such a thing is DEFINED as an irrational fear- regardless of the size of the dog.
    Mmm, that's a good point.



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    Still.... yelling at a puppy? I don't know. Yes, dogs need to be trained, but yelling at someone else's puppy is like yelling at someone else's child. Sounds like you're doing a good job of training him, and if you keep it up things will eventually work out.

    I feel sorry for that man, though. I bet he's scared stiff of dogs. I've been there - it's not fun. :-/

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    Next time tell him to screw. Sorry, that's what I would have probably done. Not mature or a good way to handle that kind of situation but....

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    I would do the same thing as ella's mom said and would have been up in his face teasing him about how scared he is of a little bitty puppy and how your going tell everyone. lol But I agree with what dakota said. I always shorten the leash to where Snoopy has no choice but to be beside me and I put him on the opposite side that they are walking to keep him out of their way. Then if they start saying awww and stuff like that I will let him go up to them but I won't give him enough room to jump up on them and I pull him back if he tries to do it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Harmonybear View Post
    Still.... yelling at a puppy? I don't know. Yes, dogs need to be trained, but yelling at someone else's puppy is like yelling at someone else's child. Sounds like you're doing a good job of training him, and if you keep it up things will eventually work out.

    I feel sorry for that man, though. I bet he's scared stiff of dogs. I've been there - it's not fun. :-/
    True - but we have to remember that not everyone is a dog person, not everyone understands 'puppy tactics', and regardless not everyone cares nor do they make exceptions because the dog is young.

    Next time tell him to screw. Sorry, that's what I would have probably done. Not mature or a good way to handle that kind of situation but....
    Come now, Ella. I know you are more reasonable then that. I can totally see where Kobe is coming from here - but that doesn't change the fact that the burden is on the owner to control his or her dog. The best way to prevent these sort of situations is to make sure your animal is well in hand. I don't see how it is fair to expect everyone to be ok with a dog jumping or lunging at them, puppy or not.
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    I agree with Dakota on this. I think yelling at someone like that seems to be a bit much, but if we have not walked in the mans shoes we cannot know what has caused him to be this way. Intense fear of dogs is actually more common than people think. Then again, he may just have been a jerk. Either way it is a lesson learned to all of us. Teaching your dog to sit when someone is passing and not to get up until given a command will save you from any other reactions like this. As hard as it might be you might want to go and apologize for your dog and explain that he is a puppy and that you are really working on training and that you will not allow the puppy to jump on him. Sometimes killing someone with kindness works out in your favor. Only you can judge if this is appropriate. I know what this reaction looks like. I have dealt many times with people that were irrational when it came to dogs. Try walking a Rottweiler around and finding someone that believes everything they see on TV and read in the paper. I have gotten used to just killing the person with kindness and have found it actually works very, very well. I tried out the yelling back... It wasn't good for anyone. LOL Anyhow, I am sorry this happened to your puppy. It is hard enough to socialize without that, but he may be a little less exuberant on his approach of strangers and it might work to your benefit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Durbkat View Post
    I would do the same thing as ella's mom said and would have been up in his face teasing him about how scared he is of a little bitty puppy and how your going tell everyone. l
    I would do that if it was a friend who was a little scared of my puppy but this guy was telling his wife "that f*****g b***h (me) can't control her dog."

    He didn't get bitten or even barked at. Or even touched. I find it quite unforgivable.

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    Re: dealing with dog haters

    I adore dogs.
    But if a dog lunges up like that to me, I dont like it at all. And I do look down on the owner for how they let their dog be. When walking my dog, even though I know he is harmless and doesnt bother to try and sniff people, I pull him in to my side (the opposite of what the people will wlak by me on) so no one has to be afraid. You live in a apartment and will have to pass by these people. It is your duty as a dog owner to make sure that your dog doesnt do such things. I do think the man over reacted. But the way I picture this happening is a dog lunged up to a guy leaving his apartment and scared him. puppy or not, you need to make sure it doesnt do this.

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    Sounds like the guy may have overreacted a touch, but YOU should not be letting your dog rear up towards other people regardless of whether or not he touches them. You have no idea if that man is terrified of dogs...maybe he was attacked by a dog at some point in the past in a similar fashion. You just never know.

    It is up to dog owners to be responsible for their dog's behavior and not inflict them on other people. Not everyone likes dogs. They don't *have* to. Ill behaved dogs certainly won't endear dogs any more to those people.
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    Really you were both wrong (I mean that in a nice way as just an honest frank answer). Yelling at someone is never ok, but on the other hand it can be dangerous for dogs to jump on strangers (really getting yelled at is minor compared to what could have happened...people are crazy). I always keep Lady's leash really short if we are going to be near people (she only has a 6' leash but if we are in a crowd she doesn't get enough leash to move past my side). And if I see someone coming she has to walk on the opposite side of me so that she is not able to go near the person. Then if they show an interest in her I will bring her around me and make her sit before she can meet them. I also make her sit and let any dogs we meet smell her first if we are meeting a dog while she is on leash at the dog park I let her behave normally but with two dogs on leashes getting tangled up is no fun so she has to sit in order to minimize the 'dance' they do. I take these precautions even though Lady is a Pom so from my perspective age and size are irrelevant.

    I don't think that what you did was bad or horrible or anything, just chalk it up as lesson learned.

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    I agree with Dakota on this. I think yelling at someone like that seems to be a bit much, but if we have not walked in the mans shoes we cannot know what has caused him to be this way. Intense fear of dogs is actually more common than people think. Then again, he may just have been a jerk. Either way it is a lesson learned to all of us. Teaching your dog to sit when someone is passing and not to get up until given a command will save you from any other reactions like this. As hard as it might be you might want to go and apologize for your dog and explain that he is a puppy and that you are really working on training and that you will not allow the puppy to jump on him. Sometimes killing someone with kindness works out in your favor. Only you can judge if this is appropriate. I know what this reaction looks like. I have dealt many times with people that were irrational when it came to dogs. Try walking a Rottweiler around and finding someone that believes everything they see on TV and read in the paper. I have gotten used to just killing the person with kindness and have found it actually works very, very well. I tried out the yelling back... It wasn't good for anyone. LOL Anyhow, I am sorry this happened to your puppy. It is hard enough to socialize without that, but he may be a little less exuberant on his approach of strangers and it might work to your benefit.
    i understand what you say completely. my mom is terrified of dogs, and cowers away when she is within about 20 feet of one. i will have to put him in a kennel or send him to live with friends when she comes to visit. but i wanted to know how to deal with strangers.

    one of the reasons i love this building is because a majority of the owners have pets of their own, and i know nearly all of them. we don't take kobe out in public yet because i think we should wait for him to get all his shots and be more well behaved, but i suppose undesirable situations will arise from time to time wherever we are.

    i don't have a lot of people with the time to help me train him, so the only face time he gets with strangers is during his walk through the building lobby. i am not quite sure how i should teach him other than the methods we have used so far; generally luring him with a treat when he gets excited and making him sit. he already sits fine in the elevator irrespective of who and whose dog is in their. still getting used to the open areas though.

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    I've had a few embarassing moments with my dogs while training them to walk nicely on a leash, most of which involved excitement barking and trying to jump up at people passing by (never close enough to jump on them though). They have to be trained somehow, and for me that involves taking them out and practicing, even when their behavior is not quite what I want it to be yet. Normally if someone seems alarmed, I explain that we are training, or that they are still energetic puppies, and we end up talking. One lady though routinely looks out her window and yells at people for walking their dogs on the sidewalk past her house, stuff like "Don't let him on my lawn", or "That dog better not pee in my yard". I just ignore her, and I kinda feel sorry for her. I have also had people who think Penny's Gentle Leader is a muzzle and ask why I would bring her around kids. I just explain, and that's that.

    I sympathise with the OP on this one though. Being afraid of dogs is no excuse to verbally abuse someone. If a person is really terrified, a simple "Hold on to your dog" or "Back up, I'm afraid of dogs" would do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakota Spirit View Post
    True - but we have to remember that not everyone is a dog person, not everyone understands 'puppy tactics', and regardless not everyone cares nor do they make exceptions because the dog is young.



    Come now, Ella. I know you are more reasonable then that. I can totally see where Kobe is coming from here - but that doesn't change the fact that the burden is on the owner to control his or her dog. The best way to prevent these sort of situations is to make sure your animal is well in hand. I don't see how it is fair to expect everyone to be ok with a dog jumping or lunging at them, puppy or not.


    Hehe yeah you're right. I was in a bad mood when I read this a couple of hours ago so I guess that's where that came from. I would never tell the guy to screw. I am very cognizant (sp???) of people and I can tell who doesn't mind my dog approaching them and who does mind. My own sister in law can't stand dogs so I am mindful of that and usually will put mine it it's crate.
    Still....it angers me to think of this guy yelling at a dog etc. Sounds like a grumpy old man.

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    Yeah - no doubt I would be pretty upset myself. It's never nice to be yelled at. I guess this is just a 'lesson learned', as others have said.



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    He just totally overreacted. But I am the kind of person who likes for dogs to love on me. He's a puppy and he didn't even make contact with him. If you see him coming down the hallway, let him pass and ignore the ignorance.
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