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    Thinking of Buying a Pomsky

    Hello:

    First time poster looking to buy his first puppy. I am looking at buying a Pomsky and while not committed to the idea, I am intrigued and was looking to get some feedback and thoughts from those with more experience.

    I know this can be a hot topic, so I please ask that people who have an issue with designer dogs and what not to please communicate tactfully. I am not looking to debate that issue nor do I want to get into a pissing match on my first post to these forums.

    Like I said, I am thinking of getting a Pomsky but am not sure if it is the right path for me. Frankly, I have a lot of questions and most of the sources on the internet about Pomskies are garbage. I have been reading an active website called PomskyHQ the last couple of days and wanted to get independent information from you guys.

    I am primarily looking for someone to communicate in an intelligent fashion (not an emotional one) what they consider the downside or risks of crossing a pomeranian with a siberian husky. I am also looking for someone to give me independent assessments of what they think I may need to expect with respect to the behavior/temperament and challenges of owning this mixed breed.

    Thank you in advance for the civil discourse and constructive feedback.

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    Re: Thinking of Buying a Pomsky

    My question would be, why do you want a Pomsky?

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    I. . .guess I kind of wonder what the point is of mixing those 2 breeds. They're both spitz types, so it's not like you're moderating an extreme coat or an extreme conformation trait or anything like that, and the size difference must make for some interesting risks. And I can't imagine that there's any uniformity in the size---you could end up with a Husky-sized dog, or a Pom-sized dog, or anything in between. If you're wanting a "miniature Husky", look into Klee Kai; they've been bred long enough that you can be fairly sure of what you're getting.

    What is it you want in a dog? What attracted you to this particular mix?

    Like buying any kind of dog, the biggest thing is to find a responsible breeder, not to support puppy mills or cruel people who just want to make money off their dogs' reproduction. This is difficult to find with any breed, but can be especially challenging when dealing with the fad mixes. But there must be a few decent breeders, if you look hard enough.

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    I have to admit, the existence of the pomsky bothers me as an Alaskan Klee Kai owner; I know that a lot of AKK breeders are frustrated by people assuming their dogs are "pomskies," and there have been a few bad breeders trying to pass pomskies off as AKK lately.

    However, I have no real issue with people breeding mixed-breed dogs as long as they are clear about what they're doing (i.e., as long as they're not lying about what they are producing) and as long as they do the same things I'd expect from a good breeder of purebreds. For me personally, that means a two-year health guarantee (at least -- longer is better), spay/neuter contracts, the breeder requiring that the dog go back to them if the owner ever can't keep it, and health testing for any genetic or structural issues on both parents.

    Look into which genetic testing is recommended for sibes and poms and find a breeder who does that. Talk to a few breeders, see how many litters they breed each year, how old the parent dogs are when they breed them (I'd want the poms to be at least a year and a half, probably two years for the sibes), what their contracts are like. A lot of breeders are getting into this mix just for the money, as it's the latest fad. It may be very hard to find a good one.

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    I. . .guess I kind of wonder what the point is of mixing those 2 breeds. They're both spitz types, so it's not like you're moderating an extreme coat or an extreme conformation trait or anything like that, and the size difference must make for some interesting risks.
    Honestly, from what I've seen, people want a mini husky and don't want to pay the $1500-$2500 for an AKK. This is a much cheaper alternative for breeders to produce and buyers to buy. It's also easier for them to get their hands on sibes and poms to breed than it would be for them to get started as an AKK breeder.

    And they are cute. I don't really like that they exist, but they are cute.
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    Re: Thinking of Buying a Pomsky

    Well, fair enough, I guess, if they really are consistently getting cute little Husky-type dogs. But are they? Is there any predictability in size? In the first-generation crosses, especially, I can only think there must be a lot of variability in size. And I don't think most people who want a Pom-sized dog really would be happy with a Husky-sized dog. . .

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    Re: Thinking of Buying a Pomsky

    Quote Originally Posted by Willowy View Post
    Well, fair enough, I guess, if they really are consistently getting cute little Husky-type dogs. But are they? Is there any predictability in size? In the first-generation crosses, especially, I can only think there must be a lot of variability in size. And I don't think most people who want a Pom-sized dog really would be happy with a Husky-sized dog. . .
    Wouldn't most of the puppies be somewhere in between, size-wise?

    OP, I think we could give you a bit more information if we know why you're attracted to pomskies in the first place. I mean, I get it - they are VERY cute (this picture gets me every time) but there are several pure-breeds that are just as cute and will probably be easier to find a good breeder for. Crantastic has some very good advice. I would add that if the breeder won't let you meet the parents or visit their facility without good reason they're probably running a sketchy operation.

    Apparently there is a Pomsky Club of America... I skimmed through the website and it honestly seems like they are earnest in their goal to make pomskies a breed. The FAQ section addresses the size questions, temperament, registration, and have a breeder code of ethics that, to my admitted untrained eye, looks pretty decent. Of course, whether they reinforce it is another matter... hopefully some of the more experienced forum members can weigh in on this?

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    Re: Thinking of Buying a Pomsky

    I have a hard time taking breeders seriously when they use a designer dog-type name like "chiweenie" or "maltipoo" or "pomsky" and then claim they're trying to turn it into a real breed. I'm also leery of most people who are developing a new breed using only two breeds. It's probably been done, but usually you need to add another breed or two to get desired traits (for example, Alaskan Klee Kai developers used four breeds; beagle developers used at least four; dobermans have at least four breeds in there and probably more).

    Also, $1500 for a smaller, husky-looking pomsky? You can get a klee kai for that (or for not a lot more than that), with much more predictable size and look. The only real reason I can think of for going for a pomsky over an AKK is that a pomsky may be friendlier/less wary. AKK are weird little dogs and are not for everyone.

    (Looking at the different pomsky breeders now. One charges $1800-$2800! That is a completely and utterly ridiculous price for a mixed breed/breed in development. You can get a registered, gorgeous AKK from champion parents for less than that.)

    (This other one charges $2500! I am appalled. There's no way to justify that price, in my mind. They're not showing their dogs, so they have no show costs. They can't be paying enough for health testing and care to justify that price. AKK litters are smaller than pomsky litters and most AKK breeders sell pet pups for less than that, especially on the east coast.)

    (And this other one says, "Our puppies are priced between $2,000-$3,000. You will pay more for blues eyes, husky markings, longer coats, and smaller sizes." Holy crap, dude. To put it in perspective, my UKC registered AKK from champion parents, who has one blue eye and one brown eye, who has gorgeous husky markings, and who ended up a small 18lbs, cost $1600.)

    As you can see, I am getting more annoyed the more I look into this, heh.
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    Re: Thinking of Buying a Pomsky

    I've never heard of this mix before... but I suppose everything is possible. I don't have a problem with breeding mixes.. but only if it's done responsibly. Honestly, after looking at one of the breeders in my state of Kansas... I would much rather go to an AKK breeder than pay between 2,000 and 3,000 dollars for a "pomsky" if I wanted a smaller looking Husky.

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    Re: Thinking of Buying a Pomsky

    Okay, there are five "pomsky" breeders endorsed by the Pomsky Club of America. Let's look at them.

    Number one: Only has a FB page. Two-year health guarantee is good. Does ultrasounds on pregnant females, which is good. Puppies cost $2000-$3500, which is ridiculous. Stud is a black and tan pom of the foxy "BYB" variety. Is breeding merles, so I would ask about double merles and make sure they are being SUPER careful not to breed those (the merle pattern can sometimes "hide" in certain coats, so they need to know the genetics behind their dogs).

    Number two: Claims to focus on temperament and health first, which is good. Does not mention health testing, however. No pics of parent dogs, which is a red flag for me (I don't just want to see cute puppy pics; I want to know what the parents look like). Two-year health guarantee is good. Puppies cost $2,000-$3,500 (prettier pups cost more), which is ridiculous. For a larger deposit, they will "custom design the Pomsky of your dreams. While using only the very best show quality dogs available." Red flag. If they were really breeding for health and temperament, they wouldn't be offering to go out and find dogs of rare colors just to breed a litter to produce a "custom" pup for you. Also be careful about the merle, as mentioned above.

    Number three: Just has a FB page. Does ultrasounds, which is good. Will let you pick first out of the litter if you pay an extra $300 (and second if you pay an extra $150), which is not good. Is using the stud from breeder one.

    Number four: Pomeranian stud is of the foxier "BYB" type. No health testing mentioned. Buying is first-come, first-served, which means that they are not matching puppies to owners (something most good breeders do to ensure a better possibility of a good match). Puppies cost $2000-$3000, with higher prices for prettier pups.

    Number five: Posts pics of the parent dogs on their site, which is nice to see. No health testing mentioned. They say that their pomeranian stud is from "champion bloodlines." That is meaningless. Maybe his grandfather was a champion, maybe a parent was. But even if both parents were, that does not necessarily mean HE is breeding quality (both of my dogs have champion parents but are pet quality; they would not be suitable for breeding). Even the very best showdogs produce pet-quality pups. "Champion lines" is always a red flag to me. Unless the dog you're using is a champion itself, the word "champion" should not appear anywhere in his writeup. Puppies cost $2500, which is very high.

    I wouldn't buy from any of them, personally (their dogs just look like husky mixes to me, and those are a dime a dozen in rescues. You could also get a beautiful AKK for a lower price). However, a couple of them are better than the others. Do a lot of research.
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    Re: Thinking of Buying a Pomsky

    I have friends who say they plan to get a pomsky someday because of the cute photos they see online.

    The other threads make a good point that not all pomsky's will be as cute as the photos online.

    I didn't realize there was such a price difference! I guess I was lucky.
    We got our husky 2 months ago for $400 (puppy shots were already paid for too) from a previous owner who got him as a gift and couldn't care for him anymore. He was 3 months old when we got him. I live in the Bay Area in California.

    I love our husky. Good luck with your research and decision. Let us know what you decide!

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    Re: Thinking of Buying a Pomsky

    Quote Originally Posted by FirstPuppySeeker View Post
    I am primarily looking for someone to communicate in an intelligent fashion (not an emotional one) what they consider the downside or risks of crossing a pomeranian with a siberian husky. I am also looking for someone to give me independent assessments of what they think I may need to expect with respect to the behavior/temperament and challenges of owning this mixed breed.
    To answer your questions:

    Huskies and poms are fairly similar, temperament-wise. They are both spitzes. I'd expect a pomsky to be friendly, energetic, vocal, and not a good off-leash dog. Training might be a challenge for a first-timer, as spitzes are what most people would consider "stubborn" -- they're not as eager to please as your average herding or sporting breed would be. Of course, because a pomsky is a mix, and because all dogs are individuals as well, you wouldn't be able to predict exactly what you'd get. Research Siberian huskies and pomeranians, and prepare for a pup that could end up more like either breed or like a more balanced mix of the two.

    Downsides would be the cost (which, as I've mentioned, is crazy) and the idea of mixing such a small dog with a larger one. I am not sure if that could result in some structural issues. I'd imagine that it would be difficult to evaluate whether or not two dogs are a good match, structurally, when they are so different in size and shape. Both poms and sibes come in a lot of colors, so you'd also have to be wary of double merle, as I also mentioned. As demonstrated, it's also going to be very hard to find a responsible breeder of this mix.

    I can't think of any benefits of mixing these two breeds, really. I would not want to deal with the pom coat on a larger dog (I hope you love grooming and vacuuming up hair). Poms would add even more barkiness to the husky, I think. The mix would be bad off leash. They're cute, but so are most husky mixes that you can find in shelters for $300.
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    Re: Thinking of Buying a Pomsky

    I was of the impression that the Pomskie club just went with the name that had already been created.

    I can't help but wonder if people interested in Pomskies are more interested in the fluffier Pom look, in addition to the husky colouring. And just don't know that AKK also come in a longer coated, fluffier variety. Crantastic, please correct me if I'm wrong - similar to this guy here?

    I guess it all comes down to doing the homework - I feel like most people would be able to find an actual breed that matched what they were looking for without getting a hybrid.

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    Re: Thinking of Buying a Pomsky

    Husky mixes, often with one parent being something a bit smaller, are REALLY common in the shelters and rescues up here and can have a tougher time finding a home because they aren't great off leash and often aren't so good in homes with cats. I see these dogs as essentially being the SAME THING, except with a significantly more inflated price tag.

    I could pick up a Husky mix today for free, one of whose parents ran in the Iditarod, from multiple sources...and many of them are just as cute.

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    Re: Thinking of Buying a Pomsky

    Quote Originally Posted by gingerkid View Post
    I can't help but wonder if people interested in Pomskies are more interested in the fluffier Pom look, in addition to the husky colouring. And just don't know that AKK also come in a longer coated, fluffier variety. Crantastic, please correct me if I'm wrong - similar to this guy here?
    Yeah, you can get longer-coated AKK. My friend's girl Freyja is an example, although her coat is not as long as some I've seen (I prefer that, though. The longer coats look like a grooming nightmare to me, but then again, I hate brushing dogs every day. Freyja is adorable and her coat is a manageable length). Here is another example.

    I mostly just don't understand why someone would choose a pomsky over a husky mix from a shelter. The temperament isn't going to be very different, nor is the look. None of these breeders seem to be health testing, so your odds of good health are probably about equal. The price is going to be 10x higher, though.
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    Re: Thinking of Buying a Pomsky

    Wow I just...

    Alrighty then. Good luck finding a responsible breeder. Doubt you will.
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    Re: Thinking of Buying a Pomsky

    Well, you're going to be paying an insane amount of money to support bad breeding practices.

    For $125 - $350, I've got 3,840 Husky or husky mixes, and 1,637 Pomeranian or Pomeranian mixes in shelters and rescues within 250 miles of me. You could take your remaining $2,000 and either donate it to a shelter or rescue, or put it in a health savings account for your dog. (Or buy the most amazing wardrobe of collars, harnesses and coats ever collected. I'm not here to judge.) And, you'd be supporting a good thing, saving dogs in need, as opposed to supporting the creation of dogs in need.

    Or, you could find a breed that appeals to you- Pomeranina, AKK, Papillon, etc.- and for less than what you'd pay for a Pomeranian x Husky mix, support good breeding practices, which includes a breeder who will be there to help you for the life of the dog.

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    Re: Thinking of Buying a Pomsky

    An AKK breeder friend just reminded me -- keep in mind that many of the "pomskies" you are seeing pics of online are actually Alaskan Klee Kai. The ones you're seeing that are actually Pomeranian/husky mixes are going to be the cream of the crop, the most husky-looking offspring. Your chance of actually getting a dog that looks like that is low.
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    Re: Thinking of Buying a Pomsky

    A friend of mine is looking into getting a corgi + husky mix. I don't know if that type of mix might interest you too. You can easily google photos of what some of them look like.

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    Re: Thinking of Buying a Pomsky

    I've seen a couple pomskies. The ones I've seen are not very small at all. 30ish lbs? And just checking a couple breeders they run at nearly $3000.

    I'd rather get a klee kai. More uniform and probably around the same price or cheaper, actually.
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    Re: Thinking of Buying a Pomsky

    Yes, in some cases an AKK will cost half as much (mostly on the east coast -- prices seem higher on the west coast, closer to $2500 than $1500). The all-white AKK (which are gorgeous; I have seen one in person now) cost even less because they can't be shown.

    Now I'm trying to imagine you with an AKK, Laurelin (I know they're not your type of dog/on your list, but just for fun). I have no doubt that you could train it, but you'd probably hate the personality. I have to say, though, Casper has ended up more intelligent and biddable than I imagined. I know a few AKK who do agility, too, and a few who are UKC Super Dogs (numbers 59, 81, and 82). I think they will become a better breed as more of the breeders focus on breeding out the shyness. It still bothers me that they have no chest, though (and many of them don't have great structure overall). I almost wish that breeders were still doing careful outcrosses to improve the breed.

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